A Gay Man Speaks Out on Partying, Club Drugs, and HIV

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  1. D_skeaflea

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    Very intelligent and well spoken. He makes perfect sense.
     
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    He has an astute command of the obvious: If you take some drugs that alter your perception you're prone to make bad choices. Let's face it, HIV isn't in the blood supply, we all know about it so it's a choice to avoid behavior that leads to HIV. Similar to smoking and lung cancer. It's mostly a choice and yes there are some innocent victims in both: pregnant mom's who smoke or have HIV, 2nd hand smoke etc.
     
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    WTF? :eek:
     
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    Sorry, I meant that there isn't risk of getting it from a transfusion or your dentist for example. People talk about HIV like the people who have it are victims and I think they are as much of a victim as a smoker who has breathing problems. It's fairly easy to avoid getting HIV or lung cancer.
     
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    Lots of people did get it from transfusions. It's not a problem nowadays in more affluent countries, but if I need a blood transfusion I'm certainly not going to Africa.

    Avoiding HIV is easy if you live in an affluent neighborhood or if you're gay, not so avoidable if you're a married couple that's trying to reproduce, or if you live in a lower-class neighborhood where the school system is bullshit.
     
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    the peoples that really disturb me are the ones actively seeking for spread the virus, and the ones who go about trying for become infected.

    also, another kine person that disturbs me are the HIV/AIDS+ peoples that will have sex with another HIV/AIDS+ person without protection. yes, you're both infected, yah? but, from what i learned in sex ed, there are more than one strain of the virus, and you can end up making yourself worse off.
     
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    "Bug chasers". The people who spread it are looking to take down as many people with them as possible; To try and devastate as many lives as possible. The "drama queen" attitude rears its ugly head. The people who coherently and intelligently choose to become infected with the HIV virus have a death wish; They're looking to punish themselves for some reason.


    And it could create new strains of the virus.
     
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    Deadly serious video. Thanks for bringing it to attention.
     
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    WOW!! Why would people do that? Makes me feel a little naive.
     
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    Very interesting video, he is very intelligent.
     
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    "also, another kine person that disturbs me are the HIV/AIDS+ peoples that will have sex with another HIV/AIDS+ person without protection. yes, you're both infected, yah? but, from what i learned in sex ed, there are more than one strain of the virus, and you can end up making yourself worse off. "

    Yeah Guys, you can actually see that happening in some hardcore bareback porn!!!
     
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    They're fucking crazy. Some people do it for the financial gain, there are some forms of government financial assistance that's only available to the sick. Some people are convinced they're going to get it anyway so they want to "get it out of the way." Some people think the disease isn't that big of a deal.
     
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    There are groups of "HIV-deniers" who claim that either HIV is a total scam (never existed) or is just a harmless retrovirus. One virologist was quoting as saying that he wouldn't mind being injected with the HIV virus. Not surprisingly, all of his funding was immediately cancelled.

    Furthermore, the HIV-deniers also use so-called "natural treatments" to try and stay healthy, and many of them have died of AIDS-related complications. Each and everyone one of these people deserves a Darwin award.
     
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    That was on an ER show just a little while ago.


    The fact is I totally agree with club drugs being a huge factor in the spread of HIV, your normal responses to people are not the same when under the influence. I've watched someone take E and take off into the bedroom with a gay man, he was not gay when he sobered up. It's as simple as that. I only have experience with ecstasy, but I've seen some pretty wild shit while tweaking out on tabs. I've never had sex on E, I don't even get horny, but it reacts different for every person. Some scary stuff.
     
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    Exactly. The point of this thread isn't exactly "gay people and HIV", it's more along the lines of "Self-destructive behavior leads to self-destruction." The fact that you mention that a straight man had anonymous toilet sex in a bar brings up the point that many straight drug users can - and do - die this way, as well.

    Avoid drugs, avoid having sex with dirty people and you'll be fine. There's nothing more to it than that.
     
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    Or if you're like me and you avoid people while on drugs, then you're fine, but use within your limits and don't use if you cannot tolerate the drugs.
     
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    No. . .just avoid hard drugs and heavy drinking.
     
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    very scary stuff and an excellent video!

    having unsafe sex is one's personal choice in regards to what they do with their own life. if someone and their partner/boyfriend/girlfriend/husband/wife choose to have unprotected sex, thats not a problem because its a personal choice. but, as a couple, me and my boyfriend/partner encourage ALL couples and singles to get tested for HIV and other STDs; we do the same thing! this is almost a given in today's society.

    physical symptoms of HIV may not show up for years, but they can be detected within a few weeks-few months of exposure if contracted. and while taking an HIV/STD test can be very scary and nerve wracking, it is well worth it. ive done some stupid stuff in the past and i thank the Lord every day that i don't have anything! and while having unsafe sex doesn't mean that you will always get HIV, it greatly increaese the risk that you will.

    (okay, getting off my soap box now!)
     
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