A legitimate question for Obama supporters

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  1. D_Landrocke DeLonguepiece III

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    I am not trying to stir anything up, but in my medical profession I have had many patients with asthma. Some have even died from it. Many, many more have come very close to dying. Please watch this very short video clip (he makes a verbal blunder, but that is no big deal really), and tell me if it concerns you at all that this man wants to be the most powerful person in the world and revamp our healthcare system, and he doesn't even know how deadly asthma can be?

    If it concerns you then tell me why. If it doesn't concern you then tell me why.

    Here is the link:

    YouTube - Obama Gaffe
     
  2. D_Fiona_Farvel

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    The health care and pharmaceutical system in place needs revamping. No matter who begins the process, the new system will not be based solely on their medical scholarship, but those of advisors.

    Therefore, I am not looking for Obama, or any representative, to be an expert in all areas. Rather, I hope that when they are unaware, or ignorant, of an issue that they will seek counsel from those who are knowledgeable and act accordingly.
     
  3. Principessa

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    I can't give an informed opinion based on a two minute snippet from a speech. A snippet which is clearly taken out of context. :rolleyes: :duh:

    Mr. Obama stumbled over his words thrice and used the term breathalyzer when he probably meant nebulizer. I dare you to find a speech in which our current President doesn't make any verbal blunders, stutters, or malaprops. Go ahead and look, I'll wait . . . :cool:

    If nobody in his family has asthma he probably doesn't know much about asthma fatalities.

    I am not a mind reader, nor have I seen this speech in its entirety. However, I think the point he was trying to make is that if we had some form of affordable or better yet, free standardized healthcare, then millions of people wouldn't need to use emergency rooms as their source of primary health care.

    FWIW: I am asthmatic. My cousins husband died 10 years ago last month, from a massive heart attack the week after his 5th wedding anniversary. He was only 36. :frown1:
     
  4. D_Landrocke DeLonguepiece III

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    This is exactly what I did not want to get into. I even excused Obama for blundering his words, because he is human. Just like Busch is human. My largest concern is that he thinks people using hospital beds for a legitimate and serious health risk is a waste of our resources.

    And free?!! Nothing is free. Someone always has to pay for it. And the free healthcare we give to the welfare public is the main problem. They don't care about going to a FREE clinic when a hospital is closer. Why? Because it is FREE. They have NO RESPONSIBILITY to have to pay for it!

    I can tell you stories about these people getting their FREE healthcare that would make you so angry. Like the person who called 911 for a hangnail, or for their tongue caught in their braces, or just last night for a sore throat. All of them have FREE healthcare. Oh wait, its not free. I PAY FOR IT!!!

    Now, back to my original question. And have asthma, you can talk from experience. Does it concern you that the person who wants to be the most powerful person in the world does not even know that asthma is a life threatening illness? If he doesn't, maybe he shouldn't be talking about national healthcare. But give me your opinion please, or are you just interested in bashing Busch?
     
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    Speaking in front of thousands of people perfectly is something few people can do without fault.

    In any case I feel Obama seems to have broader knowledge than McCain about many things. Thats good enough for me, since we are coming from that imbecile Bush.
     
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    There are people in medical professions that do not treat asthma as if it is dangerous. Indeed, it concerned me, and my parents, that two Doctors didn't treat my childhood asthma as a life-threatening illness.

    Obama made a mistake, however, as stated above, if he or McCain wins, they will not set health care policy without advisors and scholars. I think you are hitting the panic button a bit prematurely. :rolleyes:
     
  7. Principessa

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    Yes and no. :redface: It's a concern, but it's not enough to make me vote for Mc Cain. What has Sen, Mc Cain said about asthma treatment(s)? Is eradicating asthma at the core of his plan to improve healthcare in the US?

    FYI - I did not vote for President George W. Bush either time. Yet I know the proper spelling of his name is B-U-S-H. :tongue:
     
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    First of all, I wouldn't call the president of the USA the most powerful person in the world.

    The army of China or Russia is larger than the USA's. And they have millions and millions of reserves. One phone call, and their army is like 3-5 times bigger.

    And he might not know a lot about ashtma, but he's looking at the bigger picture. Health care is something they need. Some people can't afford to go to the doctor.
    If they would just automatically deduct some money from the paychecks, they can fund the national health care. It's how it's done here, and it works.

    And he's not a doctor. It's possible he doesn't know people can die from it.
    If there's national health care, people that have asthma are helped too, no?

    And honoustly, if there will be another conservative... you can say bye bye to everything america once was. The economy has been going down big time. I hope for the people that they find a way (stop putting millions of dollars a day into the war in Iraq) to get the economy back up.
     
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    Well now...It's good to see a well balanced, concerned thread from a poster who isn't here to "STIR THINGS UP". Sorry, but I noticed your increased use of CAPITAL LETTERS to loudly express your learned opinion based on your stated medical profession expertise. :smile: You've obviously posed a completely unbiased query, without an ulterior agenda, to further the intellectual discourse here. Always a welcome pleasure.

    lol...It seems you're not looking for actual opinions and thoughtful debate, so much as any excuse to pontificate and rant . Wouldn't it be better to just say what you want to say, without pretending to be interested in what others might have to say? It would save you a lot of energy. Being a medical professional I guess you would know that better then me...sorry.

    By the way, we can let the fact that you spelled it BUSCH go this one time. Afterall, even people who WANT TO BE THE MOST POWERFUL PERSON IN THE WORLD make inconsequential slip ups sometimes. :smile:

    Good luck with your medical profession
     
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    The teacher should definitely give you a gold star njqt...:biggrin1: remember those? :smile:
     
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    I think your concern is perhaps about people who, i think it safe to say, you would define as being "on the take". People whose health care "you" pay for. And i can empathize with some of that concern because i'm a middle class guy who pays taxes, who pays for his medical coverage, and who doesn't get "free" health care, although seeing that you allege to be in the medical profession, one would hope for a smidgen more empathy from you.

    But in answer to your query, no. I'm not concerned. People mispeak all the time. Some (present administration included) seem to make a career of it.

    BTW, I'm trying to recall where Obama mentioned anything about "free" healthcare (which as you pointed out, already exists). From what I can recall, his proposal is for "AFFORDABLE" healthcare. Which is quite different from "free". Don't take my word for it. Read it for yourself, here:

    Barack Obama | Change We Can Believe In | Health Care
     
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    He slipped up here as well stretch. It seems that you are just as prone to slip ups doug61853, and you're drinking too much Anheuser-Busch.:rolleyes:

     
  13. Principessa

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    The OP misspells our current President's name numerous times. Hence my belief it was a drunk post and should not be taken too seriously. :cool:
     
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    I'm not worried about an Obama slip up. I'm worried about McCain thinking Pakistan borders Iraq and Czech. still exists.

    Oh and this...

    YouTube - McCain doesn't know anything about the economy or Iraq

    YouTube - Mccain is Dumb. He does not understand economics 101 !


    YouTube - McCain Denies He Said He Doesn't Understand Economy

    ...sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeiiiiiiit. Just saying shit one week and can't even remember. His whole campaign is a flip flop (that's becoming so trite). If I remember correctly, he was almost completely against Bush in 2000. What a difference 8 years makes..........that shit'll getcha fucked up in the streets.
     
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    My take on it has already been said. It's not up to him to know asthma fatality statistics off the top of his head. He knows federal healthcare programs are underfunded, and that's good enough. The finer details, such as asthma stats, are what advisers and the cabinet are for.
     
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    Guys, put a little more thought into your responses, it's clear that he wasn't trying to stir anything up.
     
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    yeah Doug61853 is not trying to stir things up. That is why he has in his profile that he is from "Illinois, land of socialist Obama."

    I hate this current trend of the media and small minded people asking us to judge whether a man is qualified to be president every time he misspeaks. No wonder we end up with the idiots governing us and intelligent people are standing on the sidelines. At some point we might start to realize that politics should be about ideas not field polls, twisting statements, and focus groups. I find it all disgusting.
     
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    I know, he was certainly trying to stir the pot, thus the ludicrous ILLOGIC he spouted in the OP.

    Of course, Drama Queens and stupid voters LOVE scrutinizing meaninglessly. It's like a 3 year old trying to explain advanced physics. Just pathetic.

    Yup, cuz idiots put them there. Intelligent people know we're screwed either way, we're choosing the lesser of two evils, not between evil and the Messiah as people like to pretend.

    Yup, you forgot to mention the gossip blogs that they treat as the gospel truth.
     
  19. D_Landrocke DeLonguepiece III

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    McCain is not a conservative.
     
  20. D_Landrocke DeLonguepiece III

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    Um, what "ludicrous ILLOGIC" did I spout?
     
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