A mouth is just a mouth question for guys?

[B_Hung Jon]

Maybe the mods could step in here... Flagged this post, does not deserve a response

You have asked for discussion, so why are you judging people?

FLM can speak for himself, of course, but I would suspect the reasons he has so many videos are (a) he enjoys making them (b) his partners enjoy making them, and (c) many, MANY others enjoy watching them. I include myself under (c).

Your words, modified somewhat, and turned back on you : 'Pardon me, but you seem a tad bit judgemental to me. Is this part of your lifestyle or what?'

Calling what someone else does consentingly with other people for sexual gratification "psychologically abnormal", "emotionally destructive", "de-humanising" etc isn't a personal attack where you come from? It would be around these parts.

And where I'm from people would tell you to "ask their bleedin snatch love"- translated as "Mind your own blinking business and keep your shallow observations and narrow judgements to yourself" or something along those lines.

Personally I don't think you have any evidence, worth the name, to justify the unsavoury and rather degrading conclusions you've come to about somebody else's sex life, and I think it would be all together more enlightened (to use your own word) to presume that unless you have some kind of proof to back up your presumptions and absent any harm to you personally that what other people do for kicks is really up to them and not a matter for you to hold such trenchant opinions about.

Just sayin. :wink:

hilaire I do have a question about your comment. If a person on this site feels another person is harming the group by his/her posts, what would be the best recourse? Or maybe there is none? Is reporting them to the mods the only way? Wouldn't it be more effective to talk the issue out? Just my two cents, even though I disagree with you on this particular issue. Thanks. :smile:

 

[Uncutpete]

Because of the nature of cocksucking, I need to add something to being attracted to the person. I need to be attracted, but the person really needs to love to suck me, love my cock. THAT is what makes a great blow job. When my partner really loves my body and especially my cock, and gets joy out of giving me joy, those are the very best blow jobs. Being uncut in the US, it also means that often my partner often needs to learn a bit about all the additional things she/he can do to really give pleasure... and have fun, too.

 

[D_Tim McGnaw]

I've looked at various comments about oral sex on this site and have heard the old saying from some guys "a mouth is just a mouth" when you're receiving oral sex. Do the guys here think this is really true? What I mean is this: would you accept oral sex from just anyone? unattractive person? another guy you don't know? whoever? Or is this idea just a fantasy that people have who want to entrap a guy? I know myself being a woman, I would never allow any person who I don't like or feel attracted to anywhere near my private parts. What do you all think? :smile:

OT (and at the risk of being judged psychologically abnormal etc :tongue


I have all kinds of sex with guys I don't like or wasn't all that attracted to. I've also had lots and lots of sex with men I loved, was crazy about, thought was the hottest man in the world etc etc. I've had sex with guys who I was reasonably attracted to and who were pleasant companions for whatever period of time I spent having sex with them.

There have been times when I let a guy blow me just because I was horny and it would feel better than a plain old wank and I wasn't all that attracted to the guy but he was obliging enough not to want me to reciprocate. I see no harm in that, we both got what we desired from the situation. I'm entirely unsure what is dehumanising about that.

There have been times when I wanted deliberately to have sex of one kind or another with a guy I actually disliked as a person, perhaps because of the kind of sex I wanted to have and mainly because I really didn't want to have to deal with emotional complications after the fact. The other person involved would have been totally aware of the score and would have been participating in something from which they too were deriving enjoyment.

There have been times when I have had sex with guys I was totally besotted with and knew that the sex would be the most intense and beautiful intimacy I would ever be able to have with someone.

I've shagged lots of blokes who were nice enough for one night and who doubtless felt the same about me.

I have had lots of fun and recreational sex with men who I find attractive and good company and have lots of respect and time for, many are still friends of mine to this day.

And all kinds of other variations of the above and other unspecified variations of other kinds of situation.

I happen to be able to be honest with myself about who I am sexually and have no problem engaging in whatever kind of consenting sexual activity I find arousing at any given time. I don't feel the need to pretend that even in my sex life I must live up to some ethical standard beyond the basic requirement of mutual consent.

You may feel the need to feel virtuous every time you get fucked, I don't see any need to feel anything other than that I have gratified myself and my sexual partner/s to whatever degree was mutually consented to and expected.

 

[D_Tim McGnaw]

hilaire I do have a question about your comment. If a person on this site feels another person is harming the group by his/her posts, what would be the best recourse? Or maybe there is none? Is reporting them to the mods the only way? Wouldn't it be more effective to talk the issue out? Just my two cents, even though I disagree with you on this particular issue. Thanks. :smile:

Well if you think a post or posts are actual violations of the rules then you should report them.

In cases of interpersonal enmity and arguments you may find this link a helpful read- http://www.lpsg.org/200099-new-mod-procedure.html

PM me if you have any other questions. :wink:

 

[treeoflife]

but for me they have a quality of impersonality to them that borders on the macabre.

How the hell are FLM videos bordering on the macabre??? You do know the definition of macabre right?

macabre |məˈkäbrə; -ˈkäb|
adjective
disturbing and horrifying because of involvement with or depiction of death and injury : a macabre series of murders.

Although I haven't seen many of his videos I doubt that they depict the above!

If I am wrong maybe you can explain why they do border on the macabre and if they don't then you should be more careful about what you are saying regarding others.

 

[Daisy]

FLM's videos are of him sucking cock. He's not shoving baseball bats up guy's asses or anything. While it would not be a lifestyle I would advocate he is a grown man and can make his own decisions on how he wants to conduct himself. The only thing I'd worry about is health (yeah every guy claims to be disease free) but as far as the mental well being, that decision really is up to him. Who are we to judge?

 

[MalakingTiti]

Hell no. A mouth is NOT just a mouth.

 

[worshipyourcock]

Well yes, I'm very much judging you, Fleshlightmouth. I think putting ads online or wherever trying to find guys to suck indiscriminately in different parts of the country is at least psychologically abnormal. Why would any well-adjusted person want to do such a thing as a way of life? I don't consider this a personal attack. It's rather a response to an activity that I see as emotionally destructive and de-humanizing. However I have learned one thing and that is that men like you exist which I wasn't really aware of until I posed this question. I just don't think sexually obsessive behavior is very enlightening, not to mention the health risks for both parties.

Your first photo is a headless shot of you spreading your legs to display your genitalia. Do you think it would be difficult to find people who would consider that 'psychologically abnormal'? I assure you, it wouldn't be difficult at all. Perhaps you could consider that before you start labelling others as obsessive and disturbed.

How on earth do you know whether FLM and his partners are emotionally self-destructive? Were you in the room? Perhaps they were just having some fun.

 

[Daisy]

This thread is turning into a personal debate as to weather or not FLM is immoral or deranged..thats just not right. If the subject of cock sucking is to continue we should depersonalize it and discuss it without making it a personal attack because frankly none of KNOW FLM and what he's really like in his daily life, do we? We know he likes to make videos of dick sucking but that is only a small portion of who he is. I think we need to keep this discussion general.

 

[DaveyR]

This thread is turning into a personal debate as to weather or not FLM is immoral or deranged..thats just not right. If the subject of cock sucking is to continue we should depersonalize it and discuss it without making it a personal attack because frankly none of KNOW FLM and what he's really like in his daily life, do we? We know he likes to make videos of dick sucking but that is only a small portion of who he is. I think we need to keep this discussion general.

Spot on. Well said.

 

[maxcok]

I held off on coming to FLM's defense at first, because I was hoping maybe I read too much negativity into REBA's earlier post. Now that she has clarified her position as being even more judgemental than I first thought, I feel compelled to respond.

Well yes, I'm very much judging you, Fleshlightmouth. I think putting ads online or wherever trying to find guys to suck indiscriminately in different parts of the country is at least psychologically abnormal. Why would any well-adjusted person want to do such a thing as a way of life? I don't consider this a personal attack. It's rather a response to an activity that I see as emotionally destructive and de-humanizing. However I have learned one thing and that is that men like you exist which I wasn't really aware of until I posed this question. I just don't think sexually obsessive behavior is very enlightening, not to mention the health risks for both parties.

[Aside: Why the angry emoticon??]

As worshipyourcock touched on, there are plenty of people who would find the fact that you post pictures online fingering your snatch to be viewed "indiscriminately", potentially by millions of strangers, "psychologically abnormal", "emotionally destructive" and "de-humanizing", not to mention what they might judge from your 20% gay orientation. LPSG exists as a community where people celebrate liberated sexuality in many diverse forms - free from puritanical condemnation. As long as the sex is between freely consenting adults and no one is being coerced, abused or harmed, what exactly is the problem? The participants appear to be enjoying themselves, very much in fact, so more power to them I say. Looking back, I now suspect there was an implied judgement subtly revealed in your OP. Your attitude seems ironically "unenlightened", completely out of step with the spirit of this site, and in light of what I observed at the top of this paragraph, the worst kind of moral hypocrisy.

Newreba I completely agree with you. I personally find FLM's profile and links basically gross. There is no other word to describe them to me. I realize a lot of people think his attitude and vids are erotic or exciting but for me they have a quality of impersonality to them that borders on the macabre. I realize people on this site have a right to put up any material they want but at what point does this stuff become simply bizarre? I have to admit though that your topic has certainly caused some interest here and that's a good thing. :smile:

I would invite you to look at my response to REBA to see if any of it might apply to you, but let me make a couple more points: I fail to see where FLM's vids are any more "bizarre" than 99% of the porn I've seen, amateur or professional, and calling them "macabre" is ridiculous. At any rate, do you think you can fairly judge FLM's attitude and character from these clips, a snip of his life and sexual interactions edited and presented as internet fantasies? Jon, you know I generally value what you contribute to this board, at times very much so.
I realize that sex for you always requires an emotional/spiritual connection, and that's lovely. But you should also accept that for many people sex can be at times purely recreational, and there's nothing wrong with that. Try not to pass judgement on people who are wired differently and approach sex differently than you do.

As I said before:

To further clarify, an emotional connection can be nice, but it's not always necessary. Sometimes a blowjob is just a blowjob. Sometimes that's even better. No muss, no fuss, and everybody's :smile:.

General footnote: Those of you who judge FLM as being "obsessive", or "compulsive", or whatever, should stop and consider who in the world is free from sexual obsessions, compulsions or fetishes - including yourself. FLM acts on his fantasies, unlike many who repress them, and is generous enough to share his exploits. I would never disparage anyone with an "oral obsession", referring to them instead as 'enthusiastic cocksuckers'.
I personally have an immense appreciation for them and their 'efforts'. ;-)

 

[NEWREBA]

Wow! People certainly have strong feelings about this topic, or maybe I should say, certain people's ideas or feelings about it. I have noticed one obvious thing and that is this: self-identified gay guys are extremely defensive about my reactions to posts. I'm wondering if my reactions are perceived as homophobic or especially critical concerning gay guy's sexual practices? I've noticed that it's practically all gay guys who have supported FleshlightMouth's attitudes and practices. I have also noticed that most "straight" guys have less of, what I'd call, a sexist view which is an interesting surprise to me. I have to say that I'm somewhat of a novice when it comes to gay or bi men's sexual practices so I have been really surprised by what I've seen and heard here. I've never seen a profile like FleshlightMouth's before, so I have to say that I was really shocked by it. I guess I'd also say that I'm no prude. I'm not moralistic or religious. For me the "mouth is just a mouth" idea is comparable to" a pussy is just a pussy", where the woman is relegated to some sub-human position. For me it's more about human dignity and worth.

 

[Remington]

A mouth is connected to a person.

I must be attracted to that person for anything to happen.

 

[NEWREBA]

Your first photo is a headless shot of you spreading your legs to display your genitalia. Do you think it would be difficult to find people who would consider that 'psychologically abnormal'? I assure you, it wouldn't be difficult at all. Perhaps you could consider that before you start labelling others as obsessive and disturbed.

How on earth do you know whether FLM and his partners are emotionally self-destructive? Were you in the room? Perhaps they were just having some fun.

Worshipyourcock, I do think there's a huge difference between the naked photos on my profile and FleshlightMouth's profile. Many people here have naked photos in their gallery. To me it's like comparing oranges and apples. :smile:

 

[D_Tim McGnaw]

Wow! People certainly have strong feelings about this topic, or maybe I should say, certain people's ideas or feelings about it. I have noticed one obvious thing and that is this: self-identified gay guys are extremely defensive about my reactions to posts. I'm wondering if my reactions are perceived as homophobic or especially critical concerning gay guy's sexual practices? I've noticed that it's practically all gay guys who have supported FleshlightMouth's attitudes and practices. I have also noticed that most "straight" guys have less of, what I'd call, a sexist view which is an interesting surprise to me. I have to say that I'm somewhat of a novice when it comes to gay or bi men's sexual practices so I have been really surprised by what I've seen and heard here. I've never seen a profile like FleshlightMouth's before, so I have to say that I was really shocked by it. I guess I'd also say that I'm no prude. I'm not moralistic or religious. For me the "mouth is just a mouth" idea is comparable to" a pussy is just a pussy", where the woman is relegated to some sub-human position. For me it's more about human dignity and worth.

I didn't remotely think you were being homophobic, and I don't think you are now, but you're wondering off in that general direction with those bolded statements.

I don't think it's wise to make presumptions about Gay men, Gay men's sexual practices or how Gay men would feel about what you've said on the basis of a handful of respondents to this thread. :wink:

 

[D_Tim McGnaw]

Wow! People certainly have strong feelings about this topic, or maybe I should say, certain people's ideas or feelings about it. I have noticed one obvious thing and that is this: self-identified gay guys are extremely defensive about my reactions to posts. I'm wondering if my reactions are perceived as homophobic or especially critical concerning gay guy's sexual practices? I've noticed that it's practically all gay guys who have supported FleshlightMouth's attitudes and practices. I have also noticed that most "straight" guys have less of, what I'd call, a sexist view which is an interesting surprise to me. I have to say that I'm somewhat of a novice when it comes to gay or bi men's sexual practices so I have been really surprised by what I've seen and heard here. I've never seen a profile like FleshlightMouth's before, so I have to say that I was really shocked by it. I guess I'd also say that I'm no prude. I'm not moralistic or religious. For me the "mouth is just a mouth" idea is comparable to" a pussy is just a pussy", where the woman is relegated to some sub-human position. For me it's more about human dignity and worth.

Also, lets be clear I would defend you, anyone indeed, for whatever consenting sexual activities you got up to with other consenting adults if you were facing the level of disrespect and opprobrium you were dishing out to FLM. I don't feel personally defensive about my own sex life because I couldn't give a fuck about what anyone else thinks about it.

And FLM's mouth isn't just any old mouth it must be pointed out that's it's an extremely talented and rare mouth :wink:

 

[NEWREBA]

I didn't remotely think you were being homophobic, and I don't think you are now, but you're wondering off in that general direction with those bolded statements.

I don't think it's wise to make presumptions about Gay men, Gay men's sexual practices or how Gay men would feel about what you've said on the basis of a handful of respondents to this thread. :wink:

Hilaire, I'm completely confused. I was interested in a discussion because it's an issue I'm interested in. It almost seems that I can't make any comment at all without it being perceived negatively. I'm not making any blanketed statements about all gay men. I'm just stating what I see on this thread. It feels as if you are accusing me of things that I haven't said. I just happen to think that this is an important topic so I've tried to express myself as clearly as I can. Sorry if you're feeling that I'm "wandering off in that direction".

 

[D_Tim McGnaw]

Hilaire, I'm completely confused. I was interested in a discussion because it's an issue I'm interested in. It almost seems that I can't make any comment at all without it being perceived negatively. I'm not making any blanketed statements about all gay men. I'm just stating what I see on this thread. It feels as if you are accusing me of things that I haven't said. I just happen to think that this is an important topic so I've tried to express myself as clearly as I can. Sorry if you're feeling that I'm "wandering off in that direction".

No and as I say I take you at your word, like I said just be careful of making assumptions about Gay men from a handful of responses is all. :wink:

You have Gay men who agree with you also posting in this thread too :smile:

 

[NEWREBA]

Also, lets be clear I would defend you, anyone indeed, for whatever consenting sexual activities you got up to with other consenting adults if you were facing the level of disrespect and opprobrium you were dishing out to FLM. I don't feel personally defensive about my own sex life because I couldn't give a fuck about what anyone else thinks about it.

And FLM's mouth isn't just any old mouth it must be pointed out that's it's an extremely talented and rare mouth :wink:

Ok, so that's your view, right...that his mouth is "extremely talented and rare". Is it ok for me to say that from his photos, I would have just the opposite response? If I say something more precise from my pov, would that be considered disrespectful or just my opinion? Otherwise is it ok to say something which is positive (and only true to the observer) but not ok if it's something that is negative (to another observer). I've noticed there are many threads on this site which are critical of people's body parts and/or which rate them. I'm not seeing the difference here at all. Thanks for your patience with me. :smile:

 

[D_Tim McGnaw]

Ok, so that's your view, right...that his mouth is "extremely talented and rare". Is it ok for me to say that from his photos, I would have just the opposite response? If I say something more precise from my pov, would that be considered disrespectful or just my opinion? Otherwise is it ok to say something which is positive (and only true to the observer) but not ok if it's something that is negative (to another observer). I've noticed there are many threads on this site which are critical of people's body parts and/or which rate them. I'm not seeing the difference here at all. Thanks for your patience with me. :smile:

Of course it's OK to say something negative about someone else, but if you do you run the risk of them saying something negative back, you may also run the risk of other people saying negative things too.

My posts in this thread have been purely as a member, I'm not making any rules here, I'm just saying that if you describe someone else's sex life as "psychologically abnormal", "[Mal]-adjusted", "emotionally destructive", "De-humanising" and "sexually obsessive", you are bound to cop some pretty strong reactions. Because in and of themselves those are extremely strong criticisms.

In this case what you got was a chorus of "people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones" and "judge not lest ye be judged" couched in terms which matched the pitch of your own comments.

So if you want to be critical by all means go ahead, but do so in the full knowledge that being critical, especially excessively so will garner some pretty strong criticism in response.

In my own view I suspect you made comments you perhaps did not suspect would be either as hurtful to the person you aimed them at, nor as controversial to others reading them.