A No-Partyer's Take on Donkeys, Elephants, and Tea Chuckers

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  1. Tee&A

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    I am not a Democrat. I am not a Republican. I am not a Tea Partier. So I just want to give a party-less girl's take on why I don't support either party. Let's start with the Republican's shall we?

    Republicans: I honestly don't know what they stand for. I do know, however, that they can extreme to the point it's terrifying. It brings to mind my favorite quote by Montaigne: "He who establishes his argument by noise and command proves that his reason is weak." I find the Republican Party full of noise and (attempted) command so this turns me off to ohhhh, 100% of the Republican pundits I choose not to view on my television.
    My Republican friends attempt to sway me to their family by telling me that I am actually already one their pachyderm brethren (which is news to me) because I am successful. After all, I don't want "them" to take over all that I have worked so hard to accomplish, do I? I'm sorry...who are "them" and why do they "want" what I have? Have you personally talked to "them"? If so, did you try to sit down with "them" over a lovely plate of cheese and wine to talk over exactly why "them" want to do you in? Hmmm...
    Now admittedly, their allegiance is admirable so I give them points for that; it is indeed hard to find a loyal man. Unfortunately that same allegiance is uber-creepy When loyalty becomes so all-consuming that it takes precedence over every thought in your head, that's when I wave my fingers to the waiter and ask for the check, please. Examples? I make mention to a Repub amigo that I want to give my (only) beloved niece a new Volkswagen Beetle as a graduation present to reward her for all her hard work. Their response, "Ohhh, don't do that; that's a liberal car!" Oookay...which means exactly what? Who told you that it was a "liberal car" (or did you assume it was because of its groovy, curvy body)? Did you call the CEO of Volkswagen to confirm that information? What if Glenn Beck or Bill O'Reilly or Rush Limbaugh all decided that your BMW is also a rolling liberalmobile; would you get rid of it, too? Sadly, I lean towards believing the answer is "yes". So I stay away from the Republican Party because the idea of drinking the Kool-Aid in any capacity just because the preacher says so is unnerving and disturbing.
    So, what do I know about Republicans? Basically, that they don't like Democrats and they hate liberals. Hm. Sorry, but I need a tiiiish bit more than that before I pledge my allegiance to their flag. That being said, on to the Dems.

    Democrats: God love 'em. Let me preface what I'm about to say by stating that I don't believe that Democrats are the Flower Children--as it were--that many Republicans make them out to be. I also don't believe that they want to take my hard-earned money and give it away, give it away, give it away now, taking my capitalistic earnings and turning them into communist fodder for the socialist masses. I do believe, however, that Democratic politicians have a tendency to tell their constituents what they want to hear, not what they need to hear. Some call it being "politically correct" or softening the blow; I call it borderline insulting my intelligence. You want this district, principality, ward, state, country out of debt and know you'll have to raise taxes to do it? Well I may not like it, but tell me that, dammit. Don't smile and pat my widdle head and blame it on the big, bad Republicans while you vote for the same bill that they did that ultimately raises or creates new taxes anyway. Stand up and kick some ass without fearing being perceived as "harsh".
    Also, there are times when I frankly don't see much difference between them and the pachyderms. "Lookit, a bunch of bad men just shit all over us on our own soil and they've got weapons of mass destruction in them thar hills, so let's strike!" Republicans: "Right on!" Democrats: "We-yull, I guess we should check into this further but I don't want to be perceived as unpatriotic to my constituents so...okay (i.e., "Right on!") Then, after the "damage" is done (i.e. election time rolls around) they revert back into their Democrat shells and point the finger at the elephants. "Yes, I did it too but the way I did what I did was different than the way they did what they did!" Sigh. I can respect bad decision-making (especially if there is a lesson learned from said bad decision-making). What I can't respect is bad decision making that one not only doesn't own up to, but actually blames on someone else.

    Tea Party: Where should I begin? How dost thou befuddle me Tea Party, let me count the ways...perhaps it is the signs you hold up so proudly at your rallies that state such gems as, "The American Taxpayers Are The Jews for Obama's Ovens", or, "Obamanomics - Monkey See, Monkey Spend!", or "Congress = Slave owner, Taxpayer = Nigger". Or perhaps it was those fabulous images emblazoned in my brain of a stuffed monkey with an Obama mask on its face hung from a noose that was lovingly clenched in the hand of a man with an "Obama Equals White Slavery" sign in his other paw. Apparently to let them tell it though, their party is about patriotism, not racism (even though you can Google a gazillion example of it) and their party is about facts and not fear (though Tea Partiers throw the word communism and socialism around more in the new millennium than it was thrown during the actual Cold War/Red scare). Wow; what a deliciously (disturbing) conundrum!
    I believe a black man being elected President of the United States of America was the best thing that could have happened to race relations in this country, because it showed so many Americans (both white and black) how fucking racist they really are. So yay, let's hear it for change!

    I do my level best to stay abreast of issues concerning my well-being and the well-being of others that with whom I share this big, spinning rock called "Earth". I research the issues that I believe most affect others and myself, register to vote, and during election time I vote for the candidate I believe will best make the decisions for the issues. But my God, I am sick to death of "politics" (note the quotes) and I am sick to death of the 5th-grade-kickball-game mentality of picking sides. Is there anyone else out there who is sick of it as well?
     
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    I respect the perspective. I do believe however that when individually committed politicians of whatever brand come to Washington (or the state legislatures for that matter) the "pack" mentality begins to take over. Many are co-erced to "join the club" or they stand alone when it comes to the "party's" support at election time (and that means ONE thing -- BIG BIG money coming their way for the campaigns).

    REAL results addressing REAL American issues will only take place when we start re-labeling ourselves Conservative or Liberal AND when Campaign finance reform opens the doors for REAL reformers to ACT in the best interests of the nation without fearing the consequences of the "pack" for doing so!
     
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    I also have a lot of opinions about what is wrong with our government, but after this tour de force of intelligence and articulation by Tee&A all I can say for now is, "What she said!"
     
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    shit, now its stuck in my head... wheres my ipod...
     
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    You gave the teabaggers far too much credit with your description of those cowards.

    Otherwise, it was a scintillating read. ;)
     
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    Someone should put the OP to music.
     
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    Political parties came in existence over how interpenetrate the constitution. Hamiton loosely and Jefferson strict hence the Federalist and the Democratic Republicans. I doubt that we will get rid of political parties but it would be nice idea.
     
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    I see you have coined a new Palinesque word, but I am unclear as to its meaning.

    Would that describe a penetrating interpretation, or an interpretive penetration? :eek222:
     
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    One of the things about Republicanism that's always troubled me is how much they favor the individual over the collective until it comes to actually dealing with a genuine individualist, then the affection quickly turns to derision. Republicans, as a group, worship conformity.

    One thing I hate about the Democrats is how they take their constituencies entirely for granted, such as pro-choicers and, obviously, teh gayz. They also have a nifty way of turning pragmatic realism into a squishy, finger-to-the-wind relativism that makes my blood boil.

    On the other hand, there is no Democratic equivalent to a RINO: Blue Dogs are still Dems. The Republicans seem (suicidally) to mistake any appeal to moderate Independents as a kind of apostasy worthy of the boot.

    Teabaggery is an old and cherished tradition of American politics that is equal parts piety and extremely retrograde reactionary nostalgia for a past we've never had. It's twinged with the kind of populism we haven't seen since WJ Bryan and a paranoia that is McCarthyite, constantly looking for enemies both inside and out.

    The two things all three parties seem to share is that profoundly American distrust of learning and in one's ability to speak clearly and correctly, and in their utter disinclination to address America's deep-seated problems as an adult conversation.
     
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    ^That's funny... I was just ranting elsewhere today that perhaps America's greatest social problem is our voters' general inability to effectively govern themselves by discerning between good and bad policy and good and bad leadership. Most voters don't know the difference and our pay-for-play system of campaigning and governing has been honed by power brokers for over 200 years to take full advantage of that fact and keep it that way.
     
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    "Palinesque"............... depends on how you like to be penetrated I guess. Did'nt know she said that but I guess you pay more attention to what she says than I do.
     
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    ^ I actually prefer not to be penetrated. Anyway, I was referring to this: Sarah Palin's 'Refudiate' Takes Dictionary's Top Searched 'Word. And I really don't pay much attention to her sideshow, but it was kinda hard to miss when it happened. The story was everywhere. So now you know what I meant by 'Palinesque'.









    Wow, way to get all defensive, and after I just gave you props in another thread. Maybe I overestimated your sense of humor.
     
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    First T&A I want to thank you for what really is a well thought out post and I want to thank the others that came out with well thought out responses to it without the usual "jousting tournament".

    I swear that with each election the issues become more and more muddied in personal attacks. I am tired of hearing unsubstantiated charges against this candidate or that candidate, or charges that this or that one is going to "raid Social Security" or whatever.

    None of the political commercials I am being subjected to are coming even close to trying to tell me what an individual candidate is going to do to make things better.

    The only thing I hear from the Republicans right now is the same "tax and spend" rhetoric that I have heard for decades, and they then try to pin an opponent to some person in an even higher office that their party wants targeted.

    The Democrats on the other hand are doing the same thing again bashing the opponent mercilessly and quoting just like the Republicans obscure "watchdog groups" that I can't seem to find as their sources for their unsubstantiated charges.

    Now, in my State I look at two candidates for Governor, both women, both extremely vocal. The Republican challanger screams tax and spend and when she is not screaming that, she screams that she will bring new jobs to my State while at the same time telling me she is going to cut the budget and stop the loss of jobs.

    My local Republican Candidate evidently is certain that I am so stupid that she does not consider State Employees being fired because of budget cuts to be a loss when there are no new jobs that are NOT minimum wage.

    My local Democratic Candidate at least gives me some credit for a working brain by not banging that one, she instead tells me in her spots about how much education means to her, but that she is going to cut the fat out of the budget. I am a little curious as to where she is going to cut fat from a budget that has not given teachers a pay raise in many years and in a budget that already has the teachers buying some classroom supplies out of their own pockets.

    All in all I have this minor problem. I do not see either side telling the truth. If the reports of corruption were in any manner true many of these candidates would be plucked off the campaign trail by various law enforcement agencies. The fact that none ever are indicates that these charges are completely without merit on both sides. The fact that neither side can ever tell me how they are going to improve an economy with no money and no new taxation also tells me that both sides are completly in a fog on that one too. What does this mean? Yet again, I have the joy of picking not the best qualified, not the most brilliant, but just as always, I am choosing the lesser of the two evils.

    One of my candidates for Governor screams a great Republican game, but her only major job up to this point has been as a Deputy District Attorney for an adjoining County. It seems that I can find no College Degrees in basic Accounting, this of course might indicate that budget management and recognizing a problem and it's gravity, would not be a strong point for her. Well, she claims that she has helped start businesses. The interesting thing there, is that the only thing I can seem to find record of, is her service with the District Attorney's Office. She has a good prosecution record, but, a good record as a Prosecutor does not give one the ability to run a State, make major economic determinations, judge what is right or wrong in an office for which she has no real tangible political experience. If she had served as a City Councilperson or done something on a smaller level I would be more supportive or give her more credit. Well, she has had a decent record as a prosecutor, but how often are prosecutors who claim to have a 100% conviction record good negotiators? If you prosecute everyone and never have to negotiate an agreement, you are not trained as a negotiator, yet complicated contracts and agreements for trade and economic improvement amongst other things require great negotiation abilities where each side comes to an agreement that is at least workable. Well, I don't see where a 100% conviction record is a training ground for that.

    Now, my Democratic Candidate has served as Lt. Governor for many years. Her boss was in line for a position in the Cabinet of President Obama, but it was turned down when he faced a record budget shortfall trying to not lay off many state employees. She was prior to her service a single Mom, a business owner, and at least has some understanding even if not a great one of what the concepts at least are. I still don't like her, but, at least her life has presented her with experience.

    She may not be my ideal in any manner. I agree that there are some places where she could have done a little better, and a few more where she could have done a great deal better, she is not responsible for the actions of her boss, (which her opponent tries to hang on her) like him or not because she is his subordinate. I am amazed that my Republican Candidate, a person with a law degree not understanding the words "chain-of-command". I guess that as a Prosecuting Attorney that she was not ever answerable to anyone. She never took or followed the orders of anyone, nor did she ever do anything she personally did not agree with. All these are such great qualities for high elected political office.

    I only hope that I can survive the next few weeks as the stench from stupid politicians and their consistent "opponent bashing" will still leave us just as much in the dark as usual.

    We vote, we hope, but with each major election, be it Presidential or mid-term, we lose ground.



    The bottom line again comes down to the lesser of evils. The Democrat who is not the best, but is at least a known quantity, or a totally unknown ultra conservative who has expressed some pretty radical ideas with little to back them up in real knowledge or practicality of what she would be up against in that office.

    Sadly, again I have to vote for the enemy I know rather than the one I don't know simply because when that one screws up I am going to have some concept of where she is going to go before she goes there and be able to prepare for it in advance.
     
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