A peace treaty between conservatives and liberals

[B_starinvestor]

A liberal on a different post inspired a thought that may be acceptable to liberals and conservatives. What if we split the country between east and west with the divider being the Mississippi River.

The liberals can choose either side. Assuming they take the west (since Hollywood is the promised land for liberals), all of the liberals take all area west of the Mississippi, and conservatives take the area east of the Mississippi. Each side runs its own government and operates with its own income and taxes. For example, the west won't ever need to go to war, they can impose any tax rate it pleases, and can institute any social program it likes. However, it can't 'redistribute' taxes from those workers east of the Mississippi. Those on the east run their own government. Each can choose its own military, and its own regulation/deregulation.

This would be utopia.

 

[D_Fiona_Farvel]

So you support secession based on differences in political ideology?

 

[TurkeyWithaSunburn]

A liberal on a different post inspired a thought that may be acceptable to liberals and conservatives. What if we split the country between east and west with the divider being the Mississippi River.

The liberals can choose either side. Assuming they take the west (since Hollywood is the promised land for liberals), all of the liberals take all area west of the Mississippi, and conservatives take the area east of the Mississippi. Each side runs its own government and operates with its own income and taxes. For example, the west won't ever need to go to war, they can impose any tax rate it pleases, and can institute any social program it likes. However, it can't 'redistribute' taxes from those workers east of the Mississippi. Those on the east run their own government. Each can choose its own military, and its own regulation/deregulation.

This would be utopia.

You are advocating secession based on the Mississippi River?

Didn't part of the USA try seceding from the USA last century?

Or are you thinking more of a Velvet Divorce ?

 

[invisibleman]

A liberal on a different post inspired a thought that may be acceptable to liberals and conservatives. What if we split the country between east and west with the divider being the Mississippi River.

The liberals can choose either side. Assuming they take the west (since Hollywood is the promised land for liberals), all of the liberals take all area west of the Mississippi, and conservatives take the area east of the Mississippi. Each side runs its own government and operates with its own income and taxes. For example, the west won't ever need to go to war, they can impose any tax rate it pleases, and can institute any social program it likes. However, it can't 'redistribute' taxes from those workers east of the Mississippi. Those on the east run their own government. Each can choose its own military, and its own regulation/deregulation.

This would be utopia.

You MEAN we could have TEXA$$ (and have possession of all the land and oil rights?!!!). Wow. And actually take control of the U.S. side's physical borders of Mexico?!! $:smile:$

 

[B_starinvestor]

So you support secession based on differences in political ideology?

Chocko - if you peruse some of the threads/posts in this forum, you will surely acknowledge that evil conservatives like myself are harmful to the country...according to the liberal contingency here. My proposition is to simply allow us to coexist with separate governance within the same country - in a trial run. We'll even take Bush and friends. The liberals should love that scenario, no?

Surely this is an appealing proposition for all, yes??

 

[B_starinvestor]

You MEAN we could have TEXA$$ (and have possession of all the land and oil rights?!!!). Wow. And actually take control of the U.S. side's physical borders of Mexico?!! $:smile:$

without a doubt. 6 days a week and twice on Sunday if you agree to the rest of the proposal.

 

[D_Fiona_Farvel]

Chocko - if you peruse some of the threads/posts in this forum, you will surely acknowledge that evil conservatives like myself are harmful to the country...according to the liberal contingency here. My proposition is to simply allow us to coexist with separate governance within the same country - in a trial run. We'll even take Bush and friends. The liberals should love that scenario, no?

Surely this is an appealing proposition for all, yes??

No, the proposal seems incredibly unsound.
What about the political subcultures within the conservative and liberal nations? I think you perceive a linear separation in fundamental ideologies and that just isn't the case.

Further, do not people with different political ideologies coexist every day--in both our public and private spheres. I mean, consider the Schwarzenegger/Shriver household alone?

P.S. Is it possible you're taking criticism of certain conservatives as an attack on all conservatives?

 

[B_starinvestor]

No, the proposal seems incredibly unsound.
What about the political subcultures within the conservative and liberal nations? I think you perceive a linear separation in fundamental ideologies and that just isn't the case.

Further, do not people with different political ideologies coexist every day--in both our public and private spheres. I mean, consider the Schwarzenegger/Shriver household alone?

P.S. Is it possible you're taking criticism of certain conservatives as an attack on all conservatives?

If people in the liberal camp think Bush and Co. and all conservatives are responsible for every economic, political and foreign relations problem on the planet, I think this would be a great social expiriment.

 

[invisibleman]

Peace treaty? How about knowing that we can agree to disagree and life moves on? It isn't the end of the world.

 

[D_Rod Staffinbone]

A liberal on a different post inspired a thought that may be acceptable to liberals and conservatives. What if we split the country between east and west with the divider being the Mississippi River.

The liberals can choose either side. Assuming they take the west (since Hollywood is the promised land for liberals), all of the liberals take all area west of the Mississippi, and conservatives take the area east of the Mississippi. Each side runs its own government and operates with its own income and taxes. For example, the west won't ever need to go to war, they can impose any tax rate it pleases, and can institute any social program it likes. However, it can't 'redistribute' taxes from those workers east of the Mississippi. Those on the east run their own government. Each can choose its own military, and its own regulation/deregulation.

This would be utopia.

NO liberals get the whole country again, you guys have had it for eight years.

we're going to hang out with radicals from the 1960's, redistribute the
wealth with a large array of leftist programs, appoint "activist" judges.
(as well as honor the geneva convention,
try to balance the federal budget, try to bring back a good u.s. image in the
eyes of the world.)

now it's our turn. and we'll do it by winning an election fair and square. possibly a landslide and what is called a "sea change"
that happens only every 50 years or so.

 

[D_Fiona_Farvel]

If people in the liberal camp think Bush and Co. and all conservatives are responsible for every economic, political and foreign relations problem on the planet, I think this would be a great social expiriment.

No, and it would be to the benefit of none.

Peace treaty? How about knowing that we can agree to disagree and life moves on? It isn't the end of the world.

+1 :smile:

 

[Zeuhl34]

how about this set-up?

Jesusland map - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[invisibleman]

I think that the best thing Americans can do is read the Constitution of the United States. Read the history. Why it was created.

It was designed to protect all our rights to be American in all our differences. It prevents one from dominating over the other. To be free to pursue your happiness whatever that may be. To critique. To air grievances. To practice a religion or not. Our right to vote. Peaceful assembly. The right to bear arms. The right to form a national militia.

Americans should be well-informed. Find out things for one's self. Research all sides to a problem. If you wanna rely on cruise control education...and censuring, you will only see peripherally. You will only address problems in that one fashion.

 

[lucky8]

Should we put a wall up too?

 

[B_VinylBoy]

Secession... the symbolism of a true, real American.
I swear, everyday I can always count on the Political threads for a good laugh.

 

[D_Chaumbrelayne_Copprehead]

I'm more blue than red when it comes to liberal vs. conservative. But separating us does nothing.

The US works best when both sides hammer out differences and find areas of commonality and get a new way of doing things based on the best we each have to offer.

Unfortunately, since things have been totally polarized in Washington, DC, for a couple of decades, you can kiss THAT ideal goodbye.

 

[curious n str8]

I think that the best thing Americans can do is read the Constitution of the United States. Read the history. Why it was created.

It was designed to protect all our rights to be American in all our differences. It prevents one from dominating over the other. To be free to pursue your happiness whatever that may be. To critique. To air grievances. To practice a religion or not. Our right to vote. Peaceful assembly. The right to bear arms. The right to form a national militia.

Americans should be well-informed. Find out things for one's self. Research all sides to a problem. If you wanna rely on cruise control education...and censuring, you will only see peripherally. You will only address problems in that one fashion.

Seek the truth and the truth shall set you free. :wink:

 

[Thedrewbert]

Why should us liberals sign a peace treaty now? The conservatives have been nothing but nasty and despicable for 8 years.... oh and as they're about to lose power... NOW they want a peace treaty.

In short: NO. We've had to live with 8 years of the shredding of the constitution. The deregulation mess that caused our current economic chaos. Conservatives get to live with us fixing all of their short sited cock ups.

The conservatives deserve EVERY SINGLE LOSS this election.

 

[deleted213967]

A liberal on a different post inspired a thought that may be acceptable to liberals and conservatives. What if we split the country between east and west with the divider being the Mississippi River.

The liberals can choose either side...

This would be utopia.

Hey Star,

You seem to forget an inconvenient truth: about a third of the electorate is now Independent (Didn't you read "The Party's Over" article in the WSJ? )and the number will likely grow as a fully Democratic government struggles with crises of epic proportions it is not equipped to handle)

...and no matter how your secession pans out, I am staying put on the West Coast.

Would your treaty grant us diplomatic immunity?

 

[B_Nick8]

Star, I'll think about giving you the Dakotas.