A question that needs an answer!!

[D_Ed69s girl]

Ed has brought this issue to me and I can't really answer it because one I don't believe in circumcision and two I love tattoos.

When Ed got his first Tattoo his mother got totally insulted and then again with his second. When she was asked "what is your problem with this you where the one who had me carved up when I was a baby. What should I have gotten a prince albert". She showed him that body modification was okay. Tattoos and piercing are forms of body modifactions. So why is she so upset, I mean she is the one who chose to modify his penis before he even had a choice in the matter. What is so wrong with Ed modifying his body now that he is an adult.

So I have to ask all you women who feel circumcision is okay. What would you say to your son when he came home with a piercing of any kind, or a tattoo. Would you accept it or be like Ed's mother and get upset about it?

 

[D_Fiona_Farvel]

Parent's either do what they think is right or is the cultural norm - something tells me "Ed" should just get over it and vow not to do the same to his son if it's an issue. There is no need to continue to punish his mom for a, no doubt, three plus decades old decision. A decision that was probably considered normal at the time.

Also, not sure why other women's choices are an issue. People choose to raise their kids as they see fit; someday, if not now, you will probably raise a child and someone, somewhere will disagree with your actions and it won't change your beliefs.

 

[D_Fiona_Farvel]

To answer your question,
I wouldn't circumcise any male children and wouldn't care if they got tats or piercings over the age of 18.

 

[ManlyBanisters]

I hardly call circumcision 'carving up' - I mean that's a bit dramatic. (I'm probably going to get jumped for that... but hey ho). A lot of people still believe circumcision to be a healthier way to have a penis. It clearly isn't so.

I really don't understand the hoo-ha that gets made over this. So-called 'female circumcision' is quite, quite different but if the vagina / clit had a foreskin equivalent I don't believe I'd give a hoot whether I had one or not.

As for tattoos and piercings, I don't see the parallel - these are adornments - markings - expressions of individuality, rebellion. In teenagers (like my 15 year old self) it is the child shouting at the parents that he or she is not a child anymore - these days it is an attempt at self-initiation in a society that does not have many meaningful ceremonies for the passage of childhood to adulthood. In the past, circumcision has been used (indeed is still used in some cultures) as a rite of passage for boys but not so in the cultures most people here are most familiar with. It happens, for most men, in infancy. Perhaps that is what those calling for it to be a young man's own choice are really asking for - a rite of passage.

The tattoo, the piercing, the PA is the young man (or woman in the case of the first two) attempting to initiate himself (herself) into adulthood - accepting the pain of the needle, volunteering for it, and wearing the scarring of the ink / adornment of the jewelry as a mark of pride that he (she) has endured that pain. This is not the same as infant circumcision.

I would hope that a child of mine would not need to initiate himself / herself in the same way I felt I did - I would hope I will be an attentive enough parent to help a child to adulthood without the need for such gestures. But then I don't consider now that my parents were inattentive, so I may well be destined to make the same mistakes. What 'Ed' is doing when he shouts at his mother about his circumcision and his tattoos is shouting at her to let him grow up and give him control, not of his physical manhood (to use the euphemism), but of his spiritual manhood. What his mother is doing by taking offense is refusing. I hope they sort it out.

Edit: I assume that Ed is not a teenager, by the way, but this doesn't mean that his mother has allowed him (in her mind anyway) to grow up yet.

 

[B_NineInchCock_160IQ]

really not the same issue

 

[Principessa]

IMO - If he's old enough to be married he's old enough for his mom not to have a say in what he does to his body.

Also, comparing infant circumcision to someone over 18 getting tattooed or pierced makes no sense. It's not even apples and oranges. It's more like apples and steel rebar there is no comparison.

 

[Ed69]

I hardly call circumcision 'carving up' - I mean that's a bit dramatic. (I'm probably going to get jumped for that... but hey ho). A lot of people still believe circumcision to be a healthier way to have a penis. It clearly isn't so.

I really don't understand the hoo-ha that gets made over this. So-called 'female circumcision' is quite, quite different but if the vagina / clit had a foreskin equivalent I don't believe I'd give a hoot whether I had one or not.

As for tattoos and piercings, I don't see the parallel - these are adornments - markings - expressions of individuality, rebellion. In teenagers (like my 15 year old self) it is the child shouting at the parents that he or she is not a child anymore - these days it is an attempt at self-initiation in a society that does not have many meaningful ceremonies for the passage of childhood to adulthood. In the past, circumcision has been used (indeed is still used in some cultures) as a rite of passage for boys but not so in the cultures most people here are most familiar with. It happens, for most men, in infancy. Perhaps that is what those calling for it to be a young man's own choice are really asking for - a rite of passage.

The tattoo, the piercing, the PA is the young man (or woman in the case of the first two) attempting to initiate himself (herself) into adulthood - accepting the pain of the needle, volunteering for it, and wearing the scarring of the ink / adornment of the jewelry as a mark of pride that he (she) has endured that pain. This is not the same as infant circumcision.

I would hope that a child of mine would not need to initiate himself / herself in the same way I felt I did - I would hope I will be an attentive enough parent to help a child to adulthood without the need for such gestures. But then I don't consider now that my parents were inattentive, so I may well be destined to make the same mistakes. What 'Ed' is doing when he shouts at his mother about his circumcision and his tattoos is shouting at her to let him grow up and give him control, not of his physical manhood (to use the euphemism), but of his spiritual manhood. What his mother is doing by taking offense is refusing. I hope they sort it out.

Edit: I assume that Ed is not a teenager, by the way, but this doesn't mean that his mother has allowed him (in her mind anyway) to grow up yet.

Thank you for showing me what was in front of my face all this time.I did not see it and my wife did not know how to show me.Mother will never let go of her little boy.But I have to be the man I am and let go of mom.

Edit: I'm 38 and she still see's me at 7

 

[IntoxicatingToxin]

I wouldn't have room to talk if my son came home with a tattoo. I have seven. :tongue: My dad hates my tattoos though... he sees it as me trying to "improve on God's creation." Whatever.

 

[SteveHd]

Tattoos and infant circumcision are body modifications. Both are essentially permanent. Both are done for largely social reasons. Sometimes a person gets a tattoo because a spouse/partner wants them to get one. Sometimes parents circumcise their infant boys because they "like the look". So there is a connection.

The difference is tattoos are rarely, if ever, done w/o the consent of the recipient. Infant circumcision is always done w/o the consent of the recipient. In terms of consent, they're not related.

 

[modulo]

So I have to ask all you women who feel circumcision is okay. What would you say to your son when he came home with a piercing of any kind, or a tattoo. Would you accept it or be like Ed's mother and get upset about it?

While I'm not a woman, I wouldn't accept it internally but my response would be you are the one that has to deal with the consequences of your actions. If you think you look better with a bolt sticking out of your eyebrow or those tattoos up the side of your neck, fine. Just don't cry to me when you can't find a job that pays more than minimum wage because of that decision.

 

[D_Ed69s girl]

I really don't understand the hoo-ha that gets made over this. So-called 'female circumcision' is quite, quite different but if the vagina / clit had a foreskin equivalent I don't believe I'd give a hoot whether I had one or not.

Edit: I assume that Ed is not a teenager, by the way, but this doesn't mean that his mother has allowed him (in her mind anyway) to grow up yet.

Yes female circumcision is possible because You have a hood over your clit that protects it. They remove that little hood and your clit is constantly being rubbed. Just like a male penis with out a foreskin. I do believe you would give a hoot.

But thank you for understanding what my husband is going thru. He is a grown up and she will not recognize him as an adult. Of course she doesn't believe that my 10 years as a preschool teacher qualifies me to be able to raise my two children either.

 

[D_Ed69s girl]

Tattoos and infant circumcision are body modifications. Both are essentially permanent. Both are done for largely social reasons. Sometimes a person gets a tattoo because a spouse/partner wants them to get one. Sometimes parents circumcise their infant boys because they "like the look". So there is a connection.

The difference is tattoos are rarely, if ever, done w/o the consent of the recipient. Infant circumcision is always done w/o the consent of the recipient. In terms of consent, they're not related.

Thank you for clarifying how this two relate.:kiss:

 

[D_Kay_Sarah_Sarah]

Id say Ed's mum is a hypocrite.

There is nothing wrong with circumcision as long as the male himself chooses it, not have it forced upon him. same as tattoo's it is a personal choice and his mother needs to respect that.

Id say her view of tattoo's still runs with the old belief that they are for 'the bad people. The ones who commit crimes etc. It is time to tell Ed's mum to back off and stop judging him on his appearance rather then his actions

 

[Mr. Snakey]

If he has a Tattoo on his cock why is he showing it to his mother?

 

[PerfectlySexy]

Yes female circumcision is possible because You have a hood over your clit that protects it. They remove that little hood and your clit is constantly being rubbed. Just like a male penis with out a foreskin. I do believe you would give a hoot.

Yes, this can probably be considered the most physiologically accurate analogy. However, I sometimes think a better analogy would be between the labia of a vagina and the foreskin of a penis. Both are removed for cosmetic purposes and are quite sensitive and though not necessary for orgasm can be quite pleasurably stimulated. And I have no problems with the removal of either, nor any other form of body modification, so long as it is the person making a decision for himself or herself and not anyone else (including and especially parents).

Thank you for showing me what was in front of my face all this time.I did not see it and my wife did not know how to show me.Mother will never let go of her little boy.But I have to be the man I am and let go of mom.

Edit: I'm 38 and she still see's me at 7

That's too bad, but at least you know what to do. And maybe now that you see it you can try to forge a healthier adult relationship with her. And if she's unable to do that just set appropriate boundaries for both of you.

 

[cookiesweet83]

If my son wants to get a tattoo or a piercing, that's fine. It's nothing to ashamed of or shunned upon because people have been doing it for centuries. Besides they look cool and just show off the person's personality.

Why be mad at my kid when I had my ears pierced at 8 yo. But I was asked if I wanted them pierced.

 

[Ed69]

Yes, this can probably be considered the most physiologically accurate analogy. However, I sometimes think a better analogy would be between the labia of a vagina and the foreskin of a penis.Well it's not,you don't understand the damage done! Both are removed for cosmetic purposes and are quite sensitive and though not necessary for orgasm can be quite pleasurably stimulated. And I have no problems with the removal of either, nor any other form of body modification, so long as it is the person making a decision for himself or herself and not anyone else (including and especially parents).



That's too bad, but at least you know what to do. And maybe now that you see it you can try to forge a healthier adult relationship with her. And if she's unable to do that just set appropriate boundaries for both of you.

Unfortunately she does not get it so I had to set the bounderies.There are things now that mother and I just don't talk about.

 

[Ed69]

If he has a Tattoo on his cock why is he showing it to his mother?

Not funny in any way!

 

[findfirefox]

Not funny on any level!

You're right, its hysterical on every level!

 

[Ed69]

A boy that can't take care of a bank account should be carefull what he laugh's at.