A smart McCain campaign will vote against the bailout

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  1. faceking

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    If McCain campaign is smart, they'll advise to vote against the bailout. From a mere strategy standpoint.

    Unfortunately, he'll vote what he wants, and want conduct a private poll like some "others" have done, and will continue to do.

    However, neither candidate has plans to go back to Wash DC and vote on this.

    The biggest economic situation in decades, and they are both coping out. Whu?????
     
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    You're jumping the gun bud.......There is nothing to vote on yet. They're all still talking. No bills are before the House or the Senate, and after watching the news, I don't anticipate there to be any for awhile. There is vocal opposition from the right wing and the rank and file Democrats. Politics makes strange bedfellows.

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/13741.html
     
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    I agree. Both already pretty much supported it, like the rest of our lousy congress. I am glad to finally see some resistance.
     
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    You are aware of the fallout this will have if it not paid? Millions of peoples insurance, 401's, mutual funds, etc will be lost. Not to mention the domino effect it will have on unemployment GLOBALLY.

    I for one hate to see this happen but know it's necessary to prevent a Great Depression 2 and that's not a hyperbole.
     
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    yeah....

    that line ALMOST worked with congress, and they almost pissed their pants and gave the Bush administration everything they wanted, much like after 9-11... (hey wait, this was right after 9 - 11 - 08... hmmm)

    But then they looked a little closer... and look, Bush was trying to sneak in unfettered power and absolute lack of accountability...

    Not to mention, polls are showing the populace hates the bailout in the areas of 55% - 30%. Perhaps in this democracy the people should be heard for once, instead of just letting our rulers dictate to us how we are going to fix things that they fucked up.

    Furthermore, there is no proof this bailout will not just make things WORSE!!
     
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    Yep point corrected. I was inferring to something I read (wish I could dig up now) that neither has expressed real interest to go back to the Hill on work on it.
     
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    "A smart McCain..." is an oxymoron.
     
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    I don't doubt that EITHER candidate wants to be firm with this. It's a hot potato.
     
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    Neither Obama nor McCain are in favor of giving control of over $1T to an unelected man. I wouldn't vote on it either. This is Bush's legacy... let the chips fall where they may.

    If it were me, I'd let this bubble bust and not bail the credit market out. Let home values correct and move on.

    We're so screwed up we don't know what the value of ANYTHING is right now. Look around you. Let this house of cards burn to the fucking ground - I'm sick of it.
     
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    The whole thing is a mess and I wouldn't touch it either if I were running for office.
     
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    Honestly their both crazy.... I wouldn't want to be the. future President and inherit this mess.
     
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    Now I hear US auto manufacturers want some money as well.
     
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    GM and Ford can both die. They should've engineered us out of this oil shit a long time ago. Don't let the door hit them on the way out. Fuck 'em.
     
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    That's how I feel too.. except they are true American industry, and something I would not mind nationalizing, or at least having taxpayers invest heavily enough to control the boards. We are sinking into fascism, and funnily, it looks like we might not have a choice, because the alternative is much too painful for our modern America.

    But, again, I was at red alert with GM and Ford making SUVs, when gas was $2.00 a gallon (it was 1.19 only a couple years earlier!). It didn't make any sense. Nothing has made sense for a long time, honestly. I think the American people, as a whole, jsut stopped caring about what was good for their country, and instead thought wearing a flag pin was patriotism.

    I can't imagine the depression era generation being so wasteful and completely oblivious to personal finance. But most of them are gone.
     
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    And let me guess, Joe Biden is super intelligent.
     
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    They should've done .... right. Gas, especially once you take out the bullcrap tax on it, is still cheap inflation adjusted, cheaper than other countries, and so on. Your statement sounds very anti-Union. Shame on you.

    It's odd that the hybrid pundits are the same anti-nuclear energy folks. Yet if we all ran on electricity in our cars, what's the requirement in terms of power plants?
     
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    I'm anti-anyone if you're linked to one of the greatest declines in our country's history. Shame on THEM for just collecting a paycheck and doing NOTHING to innovate.
     
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    What's the greatest decline? Not uemployment. Not the stock market. Housing doesn't count, that's a cycilical burst, and we can get into the socialist mechanics that helped make that happen. What great decline?
     
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    You're serious I take it so, I'll put this as simply as I can.

    1. Our favor around the world has declined to levels I haven't seen in my lifetime. For one thing, I really don't care what other countries think of us, but still, we should at least show some leadership. Our lack of leadership is even causing foreign markets to crash for crying out loud.

    2. Housing doesn't count? There's nothing cyclical about that. 9.2% of ALL homeowners are either behind on their mortgage or are in foreclosure. This is also the highest rate of foreclosure since the Great Depression. Don't take my word for it, look it up.

    3. On the topic of #2, ask yourself why that is the case? The GOP and a few choice democrats resisted regulating the industry. As a result loans were made that should have never been made. Even in the credit collapse, CEOs are flying to safety with their $500M golden parachutes while American taxpayers pick up the bill.

    4. $11.6T national debt is not a decline? Considering that it was merely $5.4T just 8 years ago along with a budget surplus.

    5. Unemployment is continuing to rise. Jobs haven't been created.

    6. Lack of enginuity. We trail 3rd world countries in terms of energy independence. While both parties can wear responsibility for this, we haven't lead anything technologically ground breaking in decades. (unless you count our smart-bombs that we drop all over the world)

    7. The savings & loan bust looks like romper room compared to what we're going through. Hell, McCain finally woke up and announced that our situation has placed in in great peril. What caused him to finally reach this epiphany?

    Faceking, I believe you to be a smart person, but denying what it so obvious to the average American causes me to pause in my assessment of you.
     
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    Since I don't know you and therefore have no way of knowing your criteria for determining super intelligence, I will take a leap of faith when answering your question and saying Yes, as a matter of fact he is. I base this on the fact that Joey B didn't finish at the bottom of his Naval Academy class as did John McCain. A Naval Academy class he wouldn't even have gotten to be a part of were it not for his daddy and granddaddy connection, I might add.

    But, that aside. Why did you offer Biden up to make your point? In case you missed the memo, he is not running against McCain, Obama is.
     
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