About Piracy of Adult Content—Studio, OF, JFF, RFC, etc.

[ShaitanIblis]

Frankly, how do you truly feel about piracy of adult studio content and adult personal content?

About adult studio content... Some claim that certain studios pay models badly, and they justify pirating those studios as a result. What is certain is that pirating those studios certainly won't enable them to pay their models better. Piracy has definitely affected models' pay, and maintaining a studio incurs varying costs: tech crew, hair & make-up, logistics/sets/locations, website domain name registration + website hosting (incl. all that enormous bandwidth), the webmasters' fee, etc.

Certain studios (like BrokeStraightBoys/CollegeBoyPhysicals) fly the models in, house and feed them in addition to paying for their health testing. And a number of studios film on various exquisite sets and locations, which heightens production costs.


About personal content (OF, JFF, Raw Fuck Club, Fansly, etc.)... Most of the money goes straight to the models, but many still pirate those models. What's the excuse, then? Many models travel a lot to shoot, pay for transportation, accommodation, health testing—add to that a technical crew some may pay, one or more gym memberships, cosmetic treatments, medication (incl. PrEp, DoxPEP + Viagra or Cialis or TriMix), etc.

Some claim that piracy of certain models is okay if the model has a reputation of being obnoxious or overcharging, but what about all the models that are kind, don't overcharge (or even undercharge) and still get pirated? What's the excuse, then?


Piracy is actually what causes some models to install DRM (to prevent downloading) or go full PPV (every vid behind a paywall on top of the monthly price).

Note: DRM can be bypassed by those who know how, but many just give up. Those who download usually only do so for their own personal viewing (they would not want to pay just to see everything distributed for free!), but there are those who download and post it all on forums, torrents, tubes, and they may profit from that (through ads).

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What do y'all think?

 

[ShaitanIblis]

I sometimes sense some entitlement among those who pirate... Something along these lines: "Why don't videos from this studio ever leak? Good grief!" "Anybody has a leak already?"

And there are those who define those willing to pay for adult content as "simps," esp. if willing to pay good money! But the reality is, without those willing to pay, there'd be no new porn production (studio or personal) aside from those who produce and put it out there for free just to show off.

 

[Randomized]

Frankly, how do you truly feel about piracy of adult studio content and adult personal content?

About adult studio content... Some claim that certain studios pay models badly, and they justify pirating those studios as a result. What is certain is that pirating those studios certainly won't enable them to pay their models better. Piracy has definitely affected models' pay, and maintaining a studio incurs varying costs: tech crew, hair & make-up, logistics/sets/locations, website domain name registration + website hosting (incl. all that enormous bandwidth), the webmasters' fee, etc.

Certain studios (like BrokeStraightBoys/CollegeBoyPhysicals) fly the models in, house and feed them in addition to paying for their health testing. And a number of studios film on various exquisite sets and locations, which heightens production costs.


About personal content (OF, JFF, Raw Fuck Club, Fansly, etc.)... Most of the money goes straight to the models, but many still pirate those models. What's the excuse, then? Many models travel a lot to shoot, pay for transportation, accommodation, health testing—add to that a technical crew some may pay, one or more gym memberships, cosmetic treatments, medication (incl. PrEp, DoxPEP + Viagra or Cialis or TriMix), etc.

Some claim that piracy of certain models is okay if the model has a reputation of being obnoxious or overcharging, but what about all the models that are kind, don't overcharge (or even undercharge) and still get pirated? What's the excuse, then?


Piracy is actually what causes some models to install DRM (to prevent downloading) or go full PPV (every vid behind a paywall on top of the monthly price).

Note: DRM can be bypassed by those who know how, but many just give up. Those who download usually only do so for their own personal viewing (they would not want to pay just to see everything distributed for free!), but there are those who download and post it all on forums, torrents, tubes, and they may profit from that (through ads).

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What do y'all think?

There will always be piracy, nothing you can do about it.

 

[ShaitanIblis]

There will always be piracy, nothing you can do about it.

It's, however, possible to sensitize people about it. Such efforts have worked on me and some others at least.

When I think of it, I always purchased. I remember renting or even purchasing adult videos back then (in VHS or DVD format) in the 90s and the 00s. I also remember purchasing skin magazines (paper format) back then.

And then gradually came all those adult portals on the Internet. I first subscribed to Broke Straight Boys/College Boy Physicals, and I then subscribed to TimTales, Randy Blue, and Lucas Entertainment. Yes, I visited tubes, but I did not download too much from them. I also did not use torrents or get full DVDs from pirate sites.

It's just like music. I used to purchase CDs, cassettes, vinyls... And then came Napster, but I barely got anything from it. I just had that moral sense, I guess. I'm now subscribed (premium) to Spotify, and I may also listen (stream only) on YouTube and some other portals. I'll now rarely buy physical music or a digital download, but I still won't pirate it. I'll save stuff I really like on Spotify (for offline listening), and I'll pay if I want to fully own it.


I remember an event in Montreal starring a few porn stars, incl. Brandon Jones (now goes by Dominick Juneau) and Gabriel Clark. Brandon encouraged attendees to buy their porn, not only to monetarily support the models, but to also obtain higher quality.

It is now possible to pirate in high definition, but I find that the highest quality streams are oftentimes reserved to subscribers, and with a sub, I am immediately granted access to the full catalogue, and it usually comes w/ a search box, tabs, and pages that allow me to quickly find what I want and discover stuff. And I usually can easily and instantly download for personal use; torrents and pirate sites may have longer download times.

Paying also gives me moral peace; no guilty feeling, and it makes me proud to be financially contributing to the action I'm watching on screen.

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All that said, I totally understand why some may opt not to pay (just like some never paid for a music CD, cassette or vinyl); they'd much rather keep the money for food and other stuff, and save money so it grows. I get it, and I would not advise one to spend all their income on that.

It is in fact possible to access free adult content without pirating. Many models and studios offer some content for free on X or PornHub, just like people on LPSG who upload their own personal stuff for free. I encourage people to seek authorized free stuff if they choose not pay.

 

[Sexyjulin89]

It's, however, possible to sensitize people about it. Such efforts have worked on me and some others at least.

When I think of it, I always purchased. I remember renting or even purchasing adult videos back then (in VHS or DVD format) in the 90s and the 00s. I also remember purchasing skin magazines (paper format) back then.

And then gradually came all those adult portals on the Internet. I first subscribed to Broke Straight Boys/College Boy Physicals, and I then subscribed to TimTales, Randy Blue, and Lucas Entertainment. Yes, I visited tubes, but I did not download too much from them. I also did not use torrents or get full DVDs from pirate sites.

It's just like music. I used to purchase CDs, cassettes, vinyls... And then came Napster, but I barely got anything from it. I just had that moral sense, I guess. I'm now subscribed (premium) to Spotify, and I may also listen (stream only) on YouTube and some other portals. I'll now rarely buy physical music or a digital download, but I still won't pirate it. I'll save stuff I really like on Spotify (for offline listening), and I'll pay if I want to fully own it.


I remember an event in Montreal starring a few porn stars, incl. Brandon Jones (now goes by Dominick Juneau) and Gabriel Clark. Brandon encouraged attendees to buy their porn, not only to monetarily support the models, but to also obtain higher quality.

It is now possible to pirate in high definition, but I find that the highest quality streams are oftentimes reserved to subscribers, and with a sub, I am immediately granted access to the full catalogue, and it usually comes w/ a search box, tabs, and pages that allow me to quickly find what I want and discover stuff. And I usually can easily and instantly download for personal use; torrents and pirate sites may have longer download times.

Paying also gives me moral peace; no guilty feeling, and it makes me proud to be financially contributing to the action I'm watching on screen.

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All that said, I totally understand why some may opt not to pay (just like some never paid for a music CD, cassette or vinyl); they'd much rather keep the money for food and other stuff, and save money so it grows. I get it, and I would not advise one to spend all their income on that.

It is in fact possible to access free adult content without pirating. Many models and studios offer some content for free on X or PornHub, just like people on LPSG who upload their own personal stuff for free. I encourage people to seek authorized free stuff if they choose not pay.

My justification is I am poor and horny. It's sad when we live in a world where the rich is able to do and get as many things they want.

However, I have contributed to my beloved models at least with some dollars. Not everyone does that. Even rich people can be stingy and ungrataful.

 

[ShaitanIblis]

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About Piracy of Adult Content—Studio, OF, JFF, RFC, etc.

 

[ShaitanIblis]

Here are excerpts from an article on such piracy:

"Following the OnlyFans “leak,” Motherboard spoke with several performers and owners of premium adult content platforms about the problem of scraping. They agreed that it’s an issue, and that casual consumers of porn don’t realize that some of the videos they watch on tube sites for free is actually content stolen from OnlyFans and other subscription sites."

“It’s very disappointing that some people refuse to recognize our work as something valuable”

"But these tools are not only for people who save OnlyFans content for their personal use. The scraper said they develop their script for others’ benefit too, and pointed to an underground trade in OnlyFans material where people monetize the stolen content.

“Some people own adult websites that use my scripts to download and upload content,” they said."

"These sites then monetize the scraped content with ads that appear next to the uploaded videos."


"Last year, professional dominatrix Mistress Harley discovered over 500 items she’d posted for sale for about $10 each had been reposted in full to a site dedicated to reposting scraped adult content. She originally sold the videos on ManyVids, a site where performers can sell individual clips.

“Many pirates will subscribe for one month and then rip all the content they can find, in some cases issuing a credit card fraud chargeback for the one month that they subscribed for in order to steal all your content,” Harley told Motherboard. “If you know that people would rather steal from you than pay for your content and encourage you to keep making more content, it does reduce the work I’m willing to put into content.”


“Stolen content reposted on free tube sites usually makes your content less desirable and forces you to continuously step your game up to satisfy your clientele and that can likely lead to a common ‘burnout’ a lot faster,” Romi Chase told Motherboard. “Other than that, it’s just completely wrong especially that many times because of the free porn, men seem to see little to no value in our work.”

Despite looking effortless in the finished product, it can take six to seven hours to film a full-length video, Chase said—time spent planning, prepping, filming and editing.

“It’s very disappointing that some people refuse to recognize our work as something valuable while in fact we provide a type of service just like any other worker,” she said."


“This is an industry filled with hard-working people that need to generate income to be able to survive and ideally thrive,” she said. “It’s a message we must get across and the entire industry must come together on this if we stand a chance of removing the stain of piracy from our industry for good.”


"But the biggest concern creators have when their content is stolen is still financial. As platforms like OnlyFans change their policies to cut their income even more, performers have to work even harder to make a living that outpaces the theft. Until consumers value sex workers’ labor as having value, the demand for free content will continue.

“When you steal or view stolen content, you’re literally taking away someone’s income,” Revenga said. “Their ability to pay rent, buy groceries or pay for education… Influencers depend on platforms to keep their content safe, and we need to take the appropriate precautions to prevent being part of the problem.”

“In general, piracy affects models very directly. Models make their money directly from consumers, and conversely, piracy is directly stealing from models,” Ford said. “It was bad enough when studios suffered, but pirates think studios are all-powerful and wealthy and wouldn’t feel it. This wasn’t true then and isn’t true now. And it’s even worse with stealing fan content, because users know this is money coming directly out of the hands of models. That makes this crime more cruel and personal.”"

Inside the Underground Trade of Pirated OnlyFans Porn

 

[xturron]

Many pirates will subscribe for one month and then rip all the content they can find, in some cases issuing a credit card fraud chargeback for the one month that they subscribed for in order to steal all your content

My god, that’s brilliant

 

[LuvdickXOXO]

My god, that’s brilliant

No.... that is biabolical. Karma is definitely waiting liars and thieves like that.

 

[LuvdickXOXO]

Believe it or not, piracy has been around since the birth of civilization, just like sex work. What changes is how it is done. Remember when people were stealing CDs from Columbia House back in the day. Remember when people were stealing VHS from Blockbuster? Same shit...different toilet.

Human beings are innately vicious creatures. We need laws to protect us from each other, sometimes from ourselves. Again, since Napster, there has been a war between consumers and greedy corporations maximizing profits. Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission, a landmark 2010 Supreme Court decision, significantly altered campaign finance law by ruling that corporations and unions have the same First Amendment free speech rights as individuals, allowing them to spend unlimited sums of money independently to support or oppose political candidates. This changed the social consciousness of how we perceive all corporations, including the porn industry.

Corporations are "amoral," and their only ETHICAL obligation is to their shareholders. Destroy a community? They are happy to pay a 30 million fine when they are making 2 billion. They see it as the price of business. Therefore, people's relations with amoral business are to maximize their benefits with the least amount of cost [opposite].

Plus, don't forget that it is built into the social DNA to lack respect for sex workers. Despite our various ways of perceiving the world, the objective reality is that society is set up as a BINARY. Men's obligation is to gain access to sex without commitment because that is their masculine mystique, and a woman's obligation it to gain access to commitment without giving up sex. After all, that is feminine mystique. Freudian theory still holds true to this day.

Now that you understand that, you can see how logical it is for piracy to exist. It is a "cat and mouse" game. Corporations and brands have the legal right to protect their product and charge whatever they want. I mean that seriously. In a capitalistic society, it will balance out naturally. The problem is that we have a perverted form of capitalism, called Corporate capitalism. So they are price-gauging the people to death.... the porn industry is playing this same game just like Apple.

I see piracy as evening the playing field if used wisely. There will be content that will be priced so that some [maximize profits] will be willing to pay [willing to commit to gain access to sex]. As for the others.... too bad... that is the price of business. It is entertainment, not a necessity like food and water.

In turn, the others feel deprived of having access to sex because they cannot commit. This is where free porn sites like Pornhub come in. Pornhub still exists because they are a corporation in bed with the studios and content creators to promote its main website. It helps the viewer feel that they are getting something for nothing. Far from it....Ads....Ads...Ads.... all over those sites, people

So how are they making money? Well, they definitely do; you simply forgot Occam's razor.

1. Many around the world do not have the computer skills to enjoy the cat-and-mouse game of ripping. So they pay for access.
2. Most of these sites are designed to work smoothly on tablets and phones, where ripping is a chore. Many around the world do not have a laptop or desktop powerful enough to rip media. So they pay for access.
3. Apple type [aka. sheeps] users were conditioned to have it work on demand. [the "it just works" mentality.] Those types of people are not interested in the cat-and-mouse game. So they pay for access.
4. People will go into credit card debt, so they pay for access.
5. There are many other scenarios of people who want the convenience, so they pay for access.

So is piracy an issue? Absolutely. Is it a major social concern? No. The complaints from the industry are really about maximizing profits and are valid, hence the implementation of DRM-type tools. However, they are not telling the whole story.... they are also making money and are getting paid on the front and back end. If a content creator at this time is losing all income, it is not due to piracy; it is due to other things, like inconsistency of posting.

The pirate of today has to pay for access to the premium channel, so they are still contributing; they pay to gain access, and they simply make sure they get their money's worth, so they do not have to commit. And because of such pay and the major time and energy, piracy takes a toll. Why would this person share the content online for free? Yes, some would do it to prove a point, but most will not leak the entire catalogue. When you see that online, that is a corporation, not an individual. The individuals are the ones who get shut down, like My Vidster. If a corporation gets shut down, it is on a technicality, like Xtube.
Bottom line, the sex industry ain't going nowhere, just the players involved. They will be alright

 

[ShaitanIblis]

@LuvdickXOXO Out of those who pay for access, many do so because they value erotic/sex content, because they value adult performers (just like they value their dentist or hairdresser but in a more voyeuristic, intimate way), and they believe that those performers deserve fair compensation, and that those studios and platforms need to make a profit to keep thriving and keep models in business.

That's the number one reason I'd list for paying for access—just like paying for food and beverages at the grocery store. Adult entertainment may not be as essential as food, soap, toothpaste, electricity, housing, healthcare, clothing, etc., but it still fulfills a need in many—just like many people still pay money (up to $100+) to attend concerts when they could just watch a stream or fancam for free.

I'm sure that many still own a computer (laptop or desktop), esp. since computers, from what I see, are much less expensive than than they were decades ago.

I got my latest laptop for the equivalent of $88 USD; it's modern, powerful enough for regular use, and it downloads fast. I know exactly how to download from torrents and other pirate sites, but I feel better by paying my part and actually funding the models, funding the action I'm seeing onscreen.


You mention people paying just because it's more convenient than pirating. There are plenty of tube sites and forums filled with stolen content—all one needs to do is stream—and maybe get an ad blocker to ease the experience. Pirating in that manner is therefore made easy, but I still encourage one to only access authorized free stuff, incl. trailers, snippets, and photos, and/or authorized paid content.

If the material is no longer commercially available (like deleted scenes or old vintage movies), then I find okay to just rip it.

 

[LuvdickXOXO]

@LuvdickXOXO Out of those who pay for access, many do so because they value erotic/sex content, because they value adult performers (just like they value their dentist or hairdresser but in a more voyeuristic, intimate way), and they believe that those performers deserve fair compensation, and that those studios and platforms need to make a profit to keep thriving and keep models in business.

That's the number one reason I'd list for paying for access—just like paying for food and beverages at the grocery store. Adult entertainment may not be as essential as food, soap, toothpaste, electricity, housing, healthcare, clothing, etc., but it still fulfills a need in many—just like many people still pay money (up to $100+) to attend concerts when they could just watch a stream or fancam for free.

I'm sure that many still own a computer (laptop or desktop), esp. since computers, from what I see, are much less expensive than than they were decades ago.

I got my latest laptop for the equivalent of $88 USD; it's modern, powerful enough for regular use, and it downloads fast. I know exactly how to download from torrents and other pirate sites, but I feel better by paying my part and actually funding the models, funding the action I'm seeing onscreen.


You mention people paying just because it's more convenient than pirating. There are plenty of tube sites and forums filled with stolen content—all one needs to do is stream—and maybe get an ad blocker to ease the experience. Pirating in that manner is therefore made easy, but I still encourage one to only access authorized free stuff, incl. trailers, snippets, and photos, and/or authorized paid content.

If the material is no longer commercially available (like deleted scenes or old vintage movies), then I find okay to just rip it.

Yes, my friend. I agree with everything you said. I am a payer as well, and share moments on LPSG for free, not release whole catalogues because I want to lets others know if a content creator is worth paying for....OR NOT.

My post was an explanation of the piracy phenomenon [at least on putting it in a historical and social context], not a justification. It's a matter of perception and philosophy. There are some who are Kantian in their perspectives. I can actually see material being no longer commercially available (like deleted scenes or old vintage movies), then it is STILL considered piracy because even 70's porn is still within the copyright laws. Remember Boys in the Sand, directed by Wakefield Poole and released in 1971? A work of sexual art, legendary, and easily found on PAID premium sites like Naked Sword, a corporation. It can also be found on Pornhub. So Yes. Downloading it from Pornhub is still piracy.

Again, "cat and mouse" game between maximizing profits versus preserving the budget will continue. It is at an all-time high since corporations have no problem pirating [aka. price-gauging] their own subscribers/ customers. That has been statistically proven since COVID.
So, although you and I have respect for the sexual work, many do not. Most are not trying to care about an occupation that makes money based on what we all do for free, and is based on the luck of genetics.

It is in the same category as all other LUXURY categories out there. The whole luxury bag market is having its backlash moment when it is discovered that the bag literally costs $350 to make, but fashion houses are charging $10,000 for the name.

What does that have to do with porn? Well, we are living in an era where people are rightfully questioning the quality of life, and know that the economy is fixed to benefit those who can pay for access. Porn is just a casualty of this social perception of LUXURY. The world economy is going through a recession, and notice that many XXX websites and content creators are constantly giving 20%, 30%, even 50%+ on subscriptions, which is a great thing. But that leaves me to ponder why they didn't have those lower prices consistently from the jump? They would have had more consistent subscribers.

Again, "cat and mouse" game, and I love it! Trust, businesses big and small know this. Being an "Amoral citizen," they have no right to demand or even expect their audience to be ethical when they certainly are not to their own models and subscribers.