Abu Gharib returns....
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jonb,
First...using your "logic", Fox having Allan Colmes on during prime time makes them less conservative-biased than you'd otherwise say that they are, given that you feel Robert Novak's mere presence causes CNN to swerve somewhere near the middle of the road. Interesting...
Second...I do watch Fox News. Furthermore, when it comes to consuming my news quotient for the day/week/month, I also partake of MSNBC and CNN, I read the St. Louis Post-Dispatch paper, the Daily American Republic, The Southeast Missourian, The Wall Street Journal, Time, Newsweek, US News and World Report, The Progessive, National Review, and Christianity Today. There are also several websites I visit for opinions/news from both sides of the aisle, too numerous to post here. Part of it is personal, part of it is research for a job I hold within one of my college clubs.
If you are familiar with any of those names, then you should recognize them as a mixture of conservative, moderate, and liberal reads. Even if I don't agree with a particular side's take on something, it still pays to know what they're thinking. I humbly ask you to quote exactly where I've referenced content on Fox News when discussing/justifying my beliefs about social security, terrorism, national security, or any other topic for that matter, in my threads. Indeed, I may have done it, but it escapes me at the moment.
As to any news outlet having a right to lie, I think Dan Rather + CBS proved that if you truly attempt to perpetrate journalistic fraud you will get caught at it in this day and age. Just because an entity prints/states something that doesn't march in lock step with your personal beliefs doesn't raise it to the level of lying or bull-shit. That's essentially a basic point your dear friend mz tries to get across to me, perhaps you and she should consider it yourselves.
Third...The circumstances surrounding Nick Berg's tragic death are uncertain and will forever remain so, unfortunately, for his family. He came across as an essentially benign soul only interested in helping innocent Iraqis improve their daily lives and trying to make a living for himself in the process. One might question his wisdom in selecting how to go about that, but that is a matter for the ages now. Also, should you be referencing the liberal-based "wag the dog" theory as to the timing of Mr. Berg's demise, I guess I really should not be surprised that nothing is off-limits to you or many liberals if they feel they can twist it to somehow lend credence to their belief-set.
madame_zora
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BnD, this will be short, but please indulge me for a minute. What if the "wag the dog" theory was true. I'm not saying it is or isn't now, I honestly have no idea. Just for the sake of argument, say you had a time machine and could go back and see for yourself, and discovered that that was in fact what happened. Would that change anything?
There is much in life that we cannot prove, so we all must add up the "evidence" as well as we can collect it and draw a conclusion. Not very scientific, but it's what we got. "Conspiracy" is a concept because many of them have been revealed throughout history. I am referencing no particular thing here. Sometimes people look for patterns because human existance has revealed so many of them, to ignore them becomes too costly. To believe that there are no ulterior motives, especially in politics, is to ignore much about our history and allow it to repeat.
There is much in life that we cannot prove, so we all must add up the "evidence" as well as we can collect it and draw a conclusion. Not very scientific, but it's what we got. "Conspiracy" is a concept because many of them have been revealed throughout history. I am referencing no particular thing here. Sometimes people look for patterns because human existance has revealed so many of them, to ignore them becomes too costly. To believe that there are no ulterior motives, especially in politics, is to ignore much about our history and allow it to repeat.
MZ,
There is always a thread of possibility in any theory, no matter how thin. Two things discount its value as a self-standing theory for me.
1. Nick Berg's kidnapping and subsequent execution were not an isolated incident. It was the first in a series of its type of killings of foreign hostages in Iraq. This was prefaced by the stringing up and burning of Americans in Fallujah earlier in the year.
2. When coalition forces led the assault on Fallujah, they were relatively certain they found the room used in the decapitation videos. That such a room would be found in Fallujah is logical, given it was/is the center of all things opposed to liberty in Iraq and was (until the fight late last yr) relatively free from Iraqi/US patrols and less likely to be found out.
Sometimes things are just what they are, which is how I view Mr. Berg's killing and the timing of its release to the world. Whether he was killed prior to the decapitation or Zarqawi and his henchmen did some other unspeakable act to him prior to the actual on-video event, we will never know.
Perhaps with the 51/49 percent society that is currently the USA everyone thinks that everything is driven by alterior motives. I just hope that way of looking at things doesn't become the norm, for either side (if we're talking sides).
There is always a thread of possibility in any theory, no matter how thin. Two things discount its value as a self-standing theory for me.
1. Nick Berg's kidnapping and subsequent execution were not an isolated incident. It was the first in a series of its type of killings of foreign hostages in Iraq. This was prefaced by the stringing up and burning of Americans in Fallujah earlier in the year.
2. When coalition forces led the assault on Fallujah, they were relatively certain they found the room used in the decapitation videos. That such a room would be found in Fallujah is logical, given it was/is the center of all things opposed to liberty in Iraq and was (until the fight late last yr) relatively free from Iraqi/US patrols and less likely to be found out.
Sometimes things are just what they are, which is how I view Mr. Berg's killing and the timing of its release to the world. Whether he was killed prior to the decapitation or Zarqawi and his henchmen did some other unspeakable act to him prior to the actual on-video event, we will never know.
Perhaps with the 51/49 percent society that is currently the USA everyone thinks that everything is driven by alterior motives. I just hope that way of looking at things doesn't become the norm, for either side (if we're talking sides).
- jonb,
1. Colmes admits he doesn't exactly balance Hannity, and he's certainly never been complicit in treason as part of political payback, unlike Novak.
2. Funny, your arguments seem to be straight from Fox News and WorldNetDaily.
3. A freshman medical student could tell you the Nick Berg video was faked. Here's an illustration of cervical arteries, veins, and nerves:
http://www.indexedvisuals.com/html/title/i...-and-nerves.htm
As far as Fallujah goes, it was AFTER Abu Ghraib.
Say, what happened to Osama bin Ladin? Oh wait, he's an unperson now.
2. Funny, your arguments seem to be straight from Fox News and WorldNetDaily.
3. A freshman medical student could tell you the Nick Berg video was faked. Here's an illustration of cervical arteries, veins, and nerves:
http://www.indexedvisuals.com/html/title/i...-and-nerves.htm
As far as Fallujah goes, it was AFTER Abu Ghraib.
Say, what happened to Osama bin Ladin? Oh wait, he's an unperson now.
