Actively Bi and your partner doesn't know?

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Just wondering how many bi people are on this forum and their partner doesn't know? Or do they know and how does it work for you?

Anyone else in a similar situation?
I realised that I'm bi just over two and a half years ago...after about four years of marriage. I came out to my wife about two months after I came to this realisation because I knew her well enough to know that the deceit would be more devastating to her than if I were to succumb to sexual acts with men, I felt that she was entitled to know regardless of the outcome and I also couldn't see myself living a "James Bond" reality.

We had talks that lasted several months and it eventually led to her giving me permission to live freely as a bi man. I've been in meaningful relationships with guys that included sexual intimacy. We laid boundaries and we compromised because she also needed to walk away from the situation with a sense of having gained something meaningful for herself. Things are completely open between us, we perv over hot guys and it's led to our relationship growing deeper and stronger.

umm why does it matter that u never had sex with other women. YOu fucked men thats still cheating.

represent! i agree people use their bisexuality as an excuse to cheat.

Oh please. How many men have seen women that aren't their wife and they'd love to bone and stopped themselves. This is a load of shit if u wanna be bisexual tell ur wife or divorce her.
Hrrrrrrrm....well if this kind of approach is anything close to how we behave in real life, then I suspect that we've answered why men treat us in the way that they do. :rolleyes:

...throwing stones in glass houses and all of that... :cool:
 

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i do think it's easier being a bi female than a bi male.

I think so too. I've been actively bi since my late teens and made it a point to tell my fiance at the beginning of our relationship (probably within the first few dates) because I felt it was better to let him know up-front so he could choose not to persue the relationship if it bothered him. I don't cheat on him with men OR women but we do have a couple that we get together with about every 6 months or so and the other woman and I play. The guys are always there with us. I don't ever want to start down a slippery slope of hiding things from him. I think trust and communication are the foundation of a good relationship and don't want anything to compromise that.
 

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A lot of people seem to have problems excepting that infidelity is infidelity. It does not matter how you frame it, describe it, rationalize it or hating labels on it it is cheating.
 

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A lot of people seem to have problems excepting that infidelity is infidelity. It does not matter how you frame it, describe it, rationalize it or hating labels on it it is cheating.

Actual conversation in an adult video store (Allentown PA) between a guy who was having an affair with a man, and a minister>>

Bi man: "What is the ontological definition of adultery?"
Minister: "I don't know. I'm a phenomenologist."

LOL
 

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A lot of people seem to have problems excepting that infidelity is infidelity. It does not matter how you frame it, describe it, rationalize it or hating labels on it it is cheating.

Amen. Call a spade a spade.
 

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This is my typical email from guys I've been trying to see lately.
Guy: "So when can we meet"
ME : "I work nights, pretty much opened in the mornings"
Guy: "Great, my wife and kids are out around that time, mornings could work"
ME : "Oh you are married"
Guy: "Yeah, Give me text at this number, wife looks at my email sometime"


This is in some form, 90% of the guys I meet in my area. It amazes me how many guys are in that situation.

I dunno how I feel about this sitaution being bi myself. I really want the wife and kids, dog, house, but I know my urge to be with guys too will kick in hard. With me, it was always easier to get a guy in bed than women. I'm afraid I will always be single because of this. I refuse to get married knowing I will cheat.
 
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I realised that I'm bi just over two and a half years ago...after about four years of marriage. I came out to my wife about two months after I came to this realisation because I knew her well enough to know that the deceit would be more devastating to her than if I were to succumb to sexual acts with men, I felt that she was entitled to know regardless of the outcome and I also couldn't see myself living a "James Bond" reality.

We had talks that lasted several months and it eventually led to her giving me permission to live freely as a bi man. I've been in meaningful relationships with guys that included sexual intimacy. We laid boundaries and we compromised because she also needed to walk away from the situation with a sense of having gained something meaningful for herself. Things are completely open between us, we perv over hot guys and it's led to our relationship growing deeper and stronger.

You are very lucky. Well no, I am not surprised that you have such a great woman and that you have worked this issue out openly.

I don't care what the issue is, but I doubt most couples are ever really open.

Personally, I screwed up a relationship with a bi sexual woman in my early twenties. She probably should have been a very long term partner for me, but I couldn't settle her sexuality into our relationship at that time.
 

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You are very lucky. Well no, I am not surprised that you have such a great woman and that you have worked this issue out openly.

I don't care what the issue is, but I doubt most couples are ever really open.

Personally, I screwed up a relationship with a bi sexual woman in my early twenties. She probably should have been a very long term partner for me, but I couldn't settle her sexuality into our relationship at that time.

Admittedly, good man, I am extremely lucky to have the wife that I do. There are so many times when I listen to the stories of other bi men and I can't help but wonder where I'd be today and how things would have played out for me if I had married somebody else.

I remember you talking about your ex girlfriend and I sense that you regret how things played out. I think that you need to remember that hindsight is a bitch. You didn't know the things that you know today, back then, so regardless of how things turned out, you did the best that you could considering the circumstance. :smile:
 

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I hesitated to post in this thread because I feel so strongly about cheating, no matter whom it's with, but also because I had a long term partner leave me for a woman (neither I nor anyone he knew knew he was bi-sexual) so I obviously have a more personal reaction.

To my mind, it is always cheating if you are breaking the rules of the relationship. It matters not in the least which sex you're cheating with. And I agree with the posters who've mentioned rationalization. One is not entitled to have sex outside a presumably monogamous relationship simply because one feels personally or sexually "unfilled". I've been in a long distance relationship for 6 years. We only see each other every 3 weeks or so. I frequently meet incredibly attractive, desirable men and if I were to cheat, my partner would never know. But I don't because those are the rules. As well as the fact that I love him very much and would not, under any circumstances, lie to him or betray his trust.

However, if and when openness and honesty are present and the other partner is given the opportunity to accept (or reject) a change in the rules which allows sexual contact outside the marriage, no cheating is taking place. The partner has been given the decency and respect necessary to make a decision with regard to how he or she chooses to go forward with their own life and relationship. If I ever felt the need to have sex outside my relationship I would absolutely discuss it in advance with my partner, no matter what the risk.

To the posters who've done it, I applaud your courage. To the ones who haven't, I deplore your selfishness.
 
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I hesitated to post in this thread because I feel strongly about cheating, no matter whom it's with, but also because I had a long term partner leave me for a woman (neither I nor anyone he knew knew he was bi-sexual) so I obviously have a more personal reaction.
Nick, I'm truly sorry to hear about this experience (and thank you for being willing to share it with us; I appreciate your generosity). I wouldn't know which of the two would be worse to experience: Being in a long term relationship and being dumped for a woman, or, not knowing that the person was bisexual in the first place. That's like a double whammy...

Anywhoo, I don't want to throw salt in the wounds (and please forgive me if I did), I did however want you to know that in light of your experience, I am able to identify the gift that you've given us through your sharing...and to thank you for it.

Much as your current relationship but be hard on you (because of the distance), I am happy that you are loved and valued in the way that you so rightfully deserve. :smile:
 
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Do most heterosexual men have bisexual or gay fantasies? I found out that my boyfriend sometimes uses m4m on craigslist and gay or bi porn to get off (that is, in addition to hetero porn) and I guess I'm concerned that this could mean he has a secret bi life and doesn't feel comfortable opening up to me.

He was super embarrassed when I asked him about it – but I truly just want to get to know this side of him. On one occasion, he did talk to me a little about it saying he's not gay or bisexual, nor does he ever want to have a real-life experience with it. But he continues to keep this part of himself under wraps and doesn't ever want to talk about it again nor does he want to watch the man-on-man porn together.

So I guess I'm kind of confused and hurt that he's excluding me from this part of his life. And I worry that he could have a bi relationship on the side. In addition it makes me worry that he's not 100% truthful because of his harshness when the subject is brought up...and my over-active imagination sometimes envisions him partaking homosexual acts when he's out with his friends, but not having enough balls to tell me or anyone else. He says I'm crazy for imagining this scenerio, but I can't help it.

I've tried to learn about this whole genre of male sexual fantasies on my own by reading books/internet articles on bisexual/gay fantasies of heterosexual men and found out that most men regularly do have these fantasies. So, I guess if this is so common, how do I deal with this if I can't talk to my boyfriend about it? I'm almost positive he's still fantasizing about it from time to time but he never admits to it. Is it too invasive for me to want to know about this type of thing from my boyfriend of 3 years?
 

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I find it unrealistic to place black and white parametres on people. It just doesn't seem in our nature to work like that.

I have seen so many relationships fail, because people have not really been able to be open with each other. Once there isn't openness then all sorts of things can happen and things escalate to the point where the relationship may crash.

The last four divorces that I can think of close to home, were all women leaving their husband and jumping straight into the house of another man. So please don't tell me that men are cheating bastards, emotional cripples etc etc.

I wonder how many of us really know the people we are with? How many of us know ourselves? Should we be stoned for that?
 

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Nick, I'm truly sorry to hear about this experience (and thank you for being willing to share it with us; I appreciate your generosity). I wouldn't know which of the two would be worse to experience: Being in a long term relationship and being dumped for a woman, or, not knowing that the person was bisexual in the first place. That's like a double whammy...


Much as your current relationship but be hard on you (because of the distance), I am happy that you are loved and valued in the way that you so rightfully deserve. :smile:

Thank you for your very kind post.

To answer your implied question as far as it relates to me: like many other posters have said here, I'm not even sure he knew he was bisexual when we first got together. I certainly saw no signs of it. However, even if this was a growing realization for him he chose not to share it with me and to "address" it on his own. With results that were, for me at that time, devastating.

I remember friends of mine saying to me "Isn't it so much easier that he left you for a woman instead of another man? You must feel so much better about it." and me, in my confusion and grief, agreeing. It wasn't for probably a year that I woke up and thought "The hell it is. At least if it were a guy I might have been able to compete." If he'd wanted a bigger dick, or someone with more money it might have made more sense. But I couldn't give him the societal approval and natural children he clearly wanted so I was defeated before I began.

That said, if I were to fall in love with a man now who told me he was bisexual, I wouldn't necessarily end the relationship. Does bisexuality broaden the pool of potential rivals? Yes. But if I believed someone was in love with and committed to me and would abide by the rules of our relationship (which for me includes monogamy) I would go forward.

As for my relationship now, it is in no way a hardship for me. Occasionally annoying. But I love this man and will continue to do everything I can to make him happy, make myself happy and strengthen our relationship.
 

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Nick-- You have really hit the nail on the head. When my ex-wife and I realized that I was not straight, we redefined the nature of our marriage so as to allow me to figure out if I was bisexual or gay. Once I figured out that I was gay (and my attraction to women waned) we further redefined what we could do and not do (while we worked on separating) so as to not be miserable absent any sexual fulfillment. Being open, honest and upfront it best.
 

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I find it unrealistic to place black and white parametres on people. It just doesn't seem in our nature to work like that.
Agreed. I think that the black and white approach towards people and life tends to trip us up more times than not. I think that it's good to be clear about what we believe in, what we are able to accept as our own norms and values...but we also need to factor in the truth that everyone around us are entitled to their own. Added to which, human nature is human nature and unless we're aware of issues etc. that abide in us, we're unable to make good and informed choices. What concerns me more is the reality that life's messy and where we so often try to compartmentalise various parts of our lives, all too often, one thing bleeds into the next and then we're faced with even more chaos because we are forced to deal with the reality that much as we may not want for things to be grey, they are...and we can't do much about it.

I have seen so many relationships fail, because people have not really been able to be open with each other. Once there isn't openness then all sorts of things can happen and things escalate to the point where the relationship may crash.
When it comes to my bisexuality, I believe that my wife deserves the bulk of the credit. On the night that I came out to her, she set a precedent by telling me that after my willingness to share what I had with her...and her willingness to accept it, we had created a safe place for us to be able to talk about anything without there being any fear of judgment or punishment. I owe her aLAWT!!!!

I wonder how many of us really know the people we are with? How many of us know ourselves? Should we be stoned for that?
None of us know ourselves completely. There are parts of us that we know about ourselves and nobody else does, there are parts that others can see but we don't and there are parts that none of us are aware of. Self awareness is helpful because it's the unknown parts of our truths that have the greatest amount of power over us...and the only way of tapping into this would be to pause from time to time and attempt to find out why we behave in certain ways and make certain choices.

I don't believe that we ought to be stoned for it. We cannot give what we do not have...and no matter how bad our choices may be at any point in our lives, I believe that we were still the best that we could be at that moment in time. It may have been necessary to make that less than perfect choice in order to learn, grow and transcend our current state of being and the places that we operate from.

I have no right to judge...or condemn...or impose my values and beliefs systems on others. The best that I can do is to remind myself that I am wired differently and attempt to learn from the mistakes that others make so that I don't make them myself. Good or bad, we can learn so much from each other, but while I judge and impose, I'm the one who will walk away empty-handed.


To answer your implied question as far as it relates to me: like many other posters have said here, I'm not even sure he knew he was bisexual when we first got together. I certainly saw no signs of it. However, even if this was a growing realization for him he chose not to share it with me and to "address" it on his own. With results that were, for me at that time, devastating.
Nick, THANK YOU so much for your willingness to share so deeply about your experience with me. Please forgive me if I made you feel as if I was prying, it wasn't my intention. The questions that I put before you were questions that I was asking myself too. The only way for me to fully understand and learn from your sharing would be to put myself in your shoes and attempt to look at your experience for your perspective.

The sad part for me is that if he'd decided to be open and honest with you, it would have meant that he'd have put more gifts of himself and what he is about before you, and his decision not to do so deprived both of you of it. One thing that life has taught me is that "the easy way out, is never the best way out...in fact, most times, it's the worst possible way of dealing with things".


I remember friends of mine saying to me "Isn't it so much easier that he left you for a woman instead of another man? You must feel so much better about it." and me, in my confusion and grief, agreeing. It wasn't for probably a year that I woke up and thought "The hell it is. At least if it were a guy I might have been able to compete." If he'd wanted a bigger dick, or someone with more money it might have made more sense. But I couldn't give him the societal approval and natural children he clearly wanted so I was defeated before I began.
I will be honest, I have never looked at things in this way, so I thank you for this. I'd always seen it in the opposite way; that not being able to compete is a blessing because it takes away some of the pressure. What you've shared puts things in an altogether different light; you've given me much to think about and I thank you for it. I try my utmost to put myself in my wife's shoes and attempt to see things through her eyes, so that I am able to show her that I am aware of how things impact her, that I appreciate the sacrifices that she makes for me...and most of all, so that I don't hurt or harm her unnecessarily. I am very thankful for your input.

That said, if I were to fall in love with a man now who told me he was bisexual, I wouldn't necessarily end the relationship. Does bisexuality broaden the pool of potential rivals? Yes. But if I believed someone was in love with and committed to me and would abide by the rules of our relationship (which for me includes monogamy) I would go forward.
I can only say that your open-mindedness is admirable and I respect you for it.

As for my relationship now, it is in no way a hardship for me. Occasionally annoying. But I love this man and will continue to do everything I can to make him happy, make myself happy and strengthen our relationship.
THIS is the only possible response that I can offer you.

Once again, THANK YOU for your willingness to share as deeply as you have with us; I am very grateful indeed.
 

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I've been an erotic masseur for 25 years all over the country. I have had thousands of married bisexual clients over the years and I could count on 2 hands the ones who told me they were open with their wives. I think more would tell, but most women are not psychologically able to handle it unless they are young and have grown up in the much more sexually free under 25'er generation. I would venture to say that bisexual men have made up about 3/4th's of my clients over the years and gays only 25%. What is surprising to me are the guys who wait till they are anywhere from 40 to 70 to try their first time bi.
 

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Thanks BiG.

Nick, I have been on something of a journey for the last five years. It happened because of a coming together of several factors and my deeper personality needs. I don't intend to diiscuss the details here or anywhere else, but I have mentioned the odd things to friends and one person has been especially supportive when I have been on the edge of my emotional sanity. I can't imagine anyone agreeing to live with what I have done as a partner. But I needed to do it, have done it, and can now move on.

Whilst my experiences are about me (and those involved), I think this has given me a good idea or position from which to understand those of us who live without this exploration.

We all change, our needs change. I still don't know how we deal with this, it's what I find so interesting about this site. The thing for me about rules is that they are not equal. Pre anti-discrimination acts, it would have been very easy for me to obey the no gay rules, but not perhaps for you. If now you sit easily with a 100% orientation, then monogamy is easy for you, but not for others. Living within rules and expectations that you did not create, find hard to live with, but accept as the social norm, is incredibly difficult. I think we can all fail. I also think that as the world opens up sexually, then more of us will realise that there is a whole candy store of possibilities that attract us.

These are my thoughts, Nick, they are not necessarily aimed at you. Relationships have to be the single most difficult thing. Two people who don't really know themselves, let alone each other, on top of which they expect and hope to grow together. Tough call which makes me think of Nudie's signature.

PS - Capitohillguy, that is an amazing insight. Thank you. It surprises me and yet doesn't surprise me. A reality in the face of social expectation.
 

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I've been an erotic masseur for 25 years all over the country. I have had thousands of married bisexual clients over the years and I could count on 2 hands the ones who told me they were open with their wives. I think more would tell, but most women are not psychologically able to handle it unless they are young and have grown up in the much more sexually free under 25'er generation. I would venture to say that bisexual men have made up about 3/4th's of my clients over the years and gays only 25%. What is surprising to me are the guys who wait till they are anywhere from 40 to 70 to try their first time bi.


That number is truly amazing to me, it doesn't surprise me one bit.
 

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I would venture to say that bisexual men have made up about 3/4th's of my clients over the years and gays only 25%. What is surprising to me are the guys who wait till they are anywhere from 40 to 70 to try their first time bi.
I'd venture to say a lot of this is determined by history and human nature. If we look at life etc. about 20-30 years ago, we find that:

- People didn't question religious teachings as much as they do today...so there was more of a puritan approach in families: Sex was considered dirty, masturbation was seen to sinful and homosexuality was a downright abomination.

- Societal norms were homophobic in nature. 'Nuff said.

- Little was known about bisexuality. There was a general approach of "choose a side".

This sets the background against which human nature comes to play:

- The guy is faced with an attraction for women and takes it for granted. There's a niggling feeling but, "it's impossible because me likey women a lot".

- He is an environment that makes him aware that he stands to be rejected and victimized, so he finds it easier to focus on his attraction to women whilst trying to suppress his attraction for men...after all, there's a stronger pull towards women...

- He meets a girl, falls in love with her and loves her so much that he believes that his love for her will remove his attraction for men.

So to a large degree, he has opted to be in a relationship with a woman, but uninformed choices have been made in the midst of it all. He is misguided into believing that he can choose to be straight and therefore hasn't considered ways where he can live out his bisexuality in a monogamous and constructive manner. All in all, these feelings and desires have been repressed and there's no outlet...so the pressure builds and builds and builds until eventually the lid blows. By now, the feelings/desires/urges have intensified to a degree where he doesn't have much control over it. So either he acts out at this point. Or else he spends several years experiencing an internal war while he tries to keep things in check...until he can't fight any more. Or else he gets older and becomes aware of his mortality; with his awareness that his life is starting to draw to a close, he feels that he needs to experience his reality in all entirety before he passes away.

In this context, I've seen the opposite take place as well. The guy feels as if he is forced to pick a side. He believes that since there's an attraction to men, it means that he is gay. And after many years of being gay, his attraction for women surfaces.

I've been talking to a bi guy recently where both instances have been at play in his life. He opted to ignore his attraction to men (partly because he was sexually abused by a man when he was 8). He got married and their marriage wasn't a happy one. It led to his attraction for men surfacing. Since there was little knowledge about bisexuality, he thought that he was gay, came out to his wife as being gay. She made him become part of the gay world and accept his homosexuality while they were in the process of getting divorced. However, he never felt as if he belonged to the gay world; there was a big disconnect. He realised that he had a stronger sense of belonging in the straight world, so he returned to it. He got married and shared all of this to his wife. He's in his mid forties and it's only about three weeks ago where he was exposed to enough information about bisexuality, for him to have a lightbulb moment and realise that he is in actual fact bi. This realisation has given him a huge sense of relief because he now fully understands himself and has found his place in this world.

In this day and age, there's much more openness and a greater awareness of bisexuality. Much as there's progress, some patterns remain unchanged:
Young men are either coming out to their girlfriends who make it clear that they don't have a problem with their bisexuality, but expect them to be monogamous. Between the strength of their emotions and sense that this is the beginning and all because they may not find another partner accepting of their bisexuality, they are rushing into things without considering the implications etc. Or else there are guys who keep their bi status hidden with the belief that they'll be able to keep things under control. Little do they know...

A classic example is a guy that I've been exposed to of late. He's been sexually active with men. He's met a woman and because he'd like to eventually settle down with her, he came out to her. She initially felt betrayed, but once she came to terms with it, she made it clear that he has to be monogamous and that they will need to take things more slowly. He's over the moon but at the same time, he's subconsciously expressing his unhappiness at how things stand to play out. He talked about being "locked in" at one point. I suggested that he examines what he'd said and consider the implications of going ahead with things, but I was ignored. I give that relationship 5 years max. Things will play out in one of two ways:

He's going to be unhappy and he'll eventually blame her subconsciously for his unhappiness...which will bleed into resentment and anger....so they'll either disconnect emotionally or they will fight until they get divorced. Or else he'll end up cheating on her because the urges will intensify until he no longer has any control over them.

The sad part is that I wasn't suggesting that he ends his relationship...and I think that this is where a lot of bi men trip themselves up. If they only stopped and spent enough time looking at the situation and how things stand to play out whilst bringing them to making informed decisions that are made with conviction, then they'd have a better chance of dealing with things constructively. There's a big difference between embarking upon something with a mindset of being powerless and one of being empowered by the choice that has been made.

The second thing, would be to find constructive ways for them to live out their bisexuality whilst being monogamous in their relationships. It could be finding a local bi support group and joining it. Finding an online bi community and joining them. Making friends with bi men and meeting for coffee...so that they can share experiences/hardship etc. I know that this works because I've seen it work; I am friends with two married bi men who are out to their wives who have accepted them but expect them to be monogamous. In the one instance, he visits me regularly and he unloads about how lonely and isolated he feels because of being bi. My other buddy and I meet for coffee about once or twice a month...and we spend hours talking about being bi, perving over hot guys that walk past us etc. That's their way of ensuring that the lid stays off so that pressure doesn't build up inside of them until it's too late.

One of the biggest contributing factors is that feeling isolated and lonely is a general norm for bi men, especially ones who are either closeted or expected to be monogamous. There is no visible bi community out there. The only time when one encounters bi men would be if one were to look for a hookup. The problem is that the isolation and loneliness leads to anxiety. Men tend to be more sexually active/horny when they are anxious...so now a vicious cycle is at play. The isolation and loneliness leads to anxiety...which leads to raging hormones and possibly urges for men to surface...which leads to trying to suppress them...which leads to even more anxiety...and the cycle becomes more and more vicious...and then finally....BOOM! The lid blows and things aren't as controllable any more...