Actors who came out gay from old Hollywood that their careers never resurfaced...

[nudeyorker]

Give Nick a lil' nibbul 4 me.

Will Do!

 

[Empathizer]

What would have changed if the incubation period, the onset of AIDS, and death from an opportunistic infection typically occurred in six weeks?
Am I missing something, toots?

The vector of heterosexual infection vs. the earlier and much different vector of homosexual infection, dear heart. The CDC has loads of pretty online pamphlets about this sort of thing. Randy Shilts wrote a fascinating book about it.

The timelines of vectors of infection and disease processes, which might mean nothing to you or I, can be read like semaphore or Morse Code by an epidemiologist or immunologist. It's the signature of the particular cold-blooded mass-murderer proliferating in the fluids of the hosts.

The point is, you are merely attempting to provoke me to say something insensitive.

If you read my posts in Women's Issues, you would find that you are not the worst I've had to face in my life.

Perhaps asking one question at a time in a less hostile manner would make you sound less... hostile.

At any rate, a "rumble" requires, I am told, two "gangs." These "gangs" must don "gang colors."

Since I have yet to see you show your true colors, I declare this less a "rumble" and more a "misogynistic/elitist/male chauvinistic drive-by."

If you can get through tomorrow without being deliberately bratty like some high school "Mean Girl" manquée, I'll be be a shocked and as pleased as the punch at Carrie's prom.

 

[Empathizer]

I think under the structure of the "Old Studio System" they were protected by the studios and the press and lived their private lives under the radar.
I think that many people in show business still try lead their lives out of the harsh glare of the limelight and publicity. It's a whole new world with the www but I think it's still possible to work in the business and have a private life. It's called being discrete and selective with whom you have your escapades.
I think it's great for the people in whatever their business who are out and are comfortable with it, but I always find it bizarre that the gay community expects it; anyones personal life and choices are their own business. Go to see a movie because you respect that persons work or you like the way they look etc.
I think Hollywood would become much more exciting again we put a little more mystery back into the business and let peoples imagination and fantasies about actors go to work again. Thanks to the internet I think we all have just a tad too much information sometimes.

You're forgetting that this is about being out of the closet. I hardly think a lavender marriage arranged by M-G-M or RKO which required the siring of children is being "out." You can argue that it's being "'out' in the terms of the time period," but that's kind of a semantic argument to my mind.

You're also forgetting "Tail-Gunner" Joe McCarthy and his two self-loathing henchmen, Roy Cohn and J. Edgar Hoover. As President of the Screen Actors' Guild, Ronald "The Great Communicator" Reagan delivered info not just on who was Red and who was a Pinko, but also on who was lavender. A quick red paint-smear job and a threat to out these Hollywood queers as gay if they did make the paint job stick produced a whole new crop of Hollywood Reds and Pinkos. In an era so paranoid about Communism that Communists were encoded in movies as bloodthirsty UFOnauts headed for world domination, the appellation, "Commie," was more fervently embraced than "Queer."

It was never easy for gays in Hollywood. Coming out was not an option.

 

[D_Gunther Snotpole]

The vector of heterosexual infection, dear heart. The CDC has loads of pretty online pamphlets about this sort of thing.

You miss the point entirely, dear.
(Why do you do this?)
Your post reads as follows:

Like how Rock Hudson didn't come out even as he was dying of AIDS, which, given the timing of incubation or HIV, onset, then onset of AIDS, then death of an Opportunistic Infection, put him squarely in the category of "got it from unprotected homosexual sex or from needle sharing." He didn't have track marks, so...

He claimed he got AIDS from the blood transfusions he had during bypass surgery four years before his death ... which could well occur, if he were what is known as a rapid progressor. But I hardly make that assumption.
But my point is that knowledge of the incubation period and so forth is irrelevant. You have no idea what his incubation period was, in the first place. But no one else did, either. He was only diagnosed a year and a half before his death, and seemed well only months before that.
So the incubation period, in terms of placing him among those afflicted with AIDS, was at that time irrelevant.
Also, once it was known he had AIDS, one had a range of possible routes of infection that include the unprotected homosexual sex and needle sharing you mention, but also unprotected sex of other forms, blood transfusions, and a few other routes to infection.

I know it is difficult for you, Empie, but you need to lighten up.
You can do it, you know.

The point is, you are merely attempting to provoke me to say something insensitive.

No, I am trying to provoke you into saying something either intelligent or humorous.
That's all I'm trying to do.

As a glass-half-full kind of guy, I have faith in you.

 

[D_Gunther Snotpole]

You're forgetting that this is about being out of the closet. I hardly think a lavender marriage arranged by M-G-M or RKO which required the siring of children is being "out." You can argue that it's being "'out' in the terms of the time period," but that's kind of a semantic argument to my mind.

When Nudeyorker talks about living one's gay life in private, he's not talking about being "out."
And he would never deny that a lavender marriage is other that the precise opposite of being "out," in any time period.
Semantics don't enter into it.

 

[Empathizer]

Really.

You honestly think I've not said anything intelligent?

And you think I'm the one who's going to instigate a "rumble?"

Isn't this all a bit histrionic?


And

Hudson had been diagnosed with HIV on June 5, 1984, but when the signs of illness became apparent, his publicity staff and doctors told the public he had inoperable liver cancer. It was not until July 25, 1985, while in Paris for treatment, that Hudson issued a press release announcing that he was dying of AIDS. In a later press release, Hudson speculated he might have contracted HIV through transfused blood from an infected donor during the multiple blood transfusions he received as part of his heart bypass procedure in 1981.

 

[D_Gunther Snotpole]

And you think I'm the one who's going to instigate a "rumble?"

[FONT=&quot]Do I say that anywhere?[/FONT]

Isn't this all a bit histrionic?

[FONT=&quot]Yuh think?[/FONT]

You honestly think I've not said anything intelligent?

[FONT=&quot]Well, let me answer a bit indirectly. [/FONT][FONT=&quot]You quote this, from Wikipedia:[/FONT]

Hudson had been diagnosed with HIV on June 5, 1984, but when the signs of illness became apparent, his publicity staff and doctors told the public he had inoperable liver cancer. It was not until July 25, 1985, while in Paris for treatment, that Hudson issued a press release announcing that he was dying of AIDS. In a later press release, Hudson speculated he might have contracted HIV through transfused blood from an infected donor during the multiple blood transfusions he received as part of his heart bypass procedure in 1981.

[FONT=&quot]Well, this makes the point that the signs of illness emerged only a bit more than a year before he died.
This suggests that the gradual upward taper of symptoms that are now used as one way of clinically diagnosing AIDS was not used in [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Hudson[/FONT][FONT=&quot]'s case.
(I'm wondering if he was not diagnosed in part through an ELISA test, which French researchers were beginning to use in 1983/1984.)
And it makes it pretty clear that he denied everything as long as he could.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]I might quote it.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]But why do you quote it?
It's irrelevant to what you've been saying, and supportive in various ways of what I've said.
I don't get it.

But the night, at least where I live, is no longer young.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
[/FONT]

 

[Empathizer]

Look, if winning is that important to you, you win. I just want to have fun tomorrow. Not gonna keep this up. You feel free.

 

[MASSIVEPKGO_CHUCK]

I know I haven't seen former M*A*S*H star David Ogden Stiers in anything after he announced he was gay last year.