Adam Lambert stands tall

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  1. B_Stronzo

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    hmmmmmmmmm.. my television watching seems to be escalating :mad:

    Anyhow - to the point;

    I'm weighing things here. Violence against women versus male homosexuality. Male homosexuality versus violence against women.

    Now we present our fare to the ever-mundane and confused American viewing audience.

    What's this? What's that you're all up in arms about?? Something's awry. :cool:

    During the final musical performance of The American Music Awards three days ago was Adam Lambert's number. It was the finale to the show.

    It was edgy, highly choreographed, and visually stunning. Were I a great fan of rock music or Mr. Lambert's voice I'd probably have liked that too (though Lambert himself says it was not one of his better singing performances). However I'm not addressing Adam Lambert as a performer I'm addressing him as an advocate.

    ABC (which hosted the awards show) was so innundated by negative e-mails and telephone calls at Adam's simulation of oral sex (and more obviously) that fact that he kissed another man on the mouth that Good Morning America (also ABC) cancelled a morning appearance because of the complaints received by the general public. Poor Stacy in Kalamazoo is afraid her six year old may have seen that kiss you see.

    I don't watch ABC in the morning so I missed all that but it's, nevertheless, come to my attention there's a big stink.

    However I do watch the CBS Early Show nearly every morning as I have my tea.

    This morning's production featured Adam Lambert prominently. Not only did he perform two other cuts from his new album but he also fielded questions from Maggie Rodriguez (one-on-one interview) and the outdoor audience about his performance on the AMA. Rodriguez pulled no punches in her questions. Lambert remained calm and cool as a cucumber throughout. It was masterful.

    He's smooth as glass. The man has a charming - nearly counter-rock staresque - personality that's endearing and unthreatening. Yet under that mild exterior is an activist supreme. Adam addressed the incongruity and double standard of the Madonna/Britney kiss (always shown where Lambert's male-to-male kiss was not but rather blurred out this morning on CBS) and the fact the during Janet Jackson's performance she grabbed her twat.

    But more importantly Lambert addressed the lyrics in Eminem's performance which openly advocate rape.

    :eek: RAPE?? Raping women? Marshall Mathers III thinks raping women is dandy. Oh ok. But wait. Where are all the outraged women e-mailing and calling ABC in protest? What the fuck's going on here?

    Curious. No one appears to have much of a problem with ol' Marshall now do they?

    This article from The Los Angeles Times covers it nicely.

    When a society thinks a performing artist needs no censorship or reprimand for advocating rape yet an openly gay male performer is "too controversial" for simply kissing another man on the mouth I say we've got it backwards. Issues America... ISSUES.

    Adam (again though I don't particularly like his singing) has tremendous potential to undo the damage done by the patriarchal heterosexual male- dictated notion that female homosexuality is somehow acceptable where male homosexuality is not.

    Adam Lambert has my respect. He's one to watch. He's one clever lad.

    ABC? Go fuck yourself.
     
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    OK, we get it Stronzo, America is still Homophobic. But, wheres the news in that ???? That aint about to change anytime soon. Two men kissing is somehow threatening, although Italians, Greeks and most european cultures have the men kissing all the time, and they dont burst into flames. Its natural for them. I think America will have universal health care long before they will accept man-on-man. And we all know how the health care issue is progressing. So nuff said.
     
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    We also have to take into consideration that ABC is also in conjunction with Disney. To see this kind of reaction to Adam Lambert from a network regarding a same sex kiss and a gyrate is expected.
     
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    Stronzo, you are such a knucklehead. :rolleyes:

    this clown is not some Rosa Parks...

    he is a reality show runner up, and he just admitted that he did not plan to do this, so it was not so "clever".

    "Adam (again though I don't particularly like his singing) has tremendous potential to undo the damage done by the patriarchal heterosexual male"

    and as he said:

    "I admit, I did get carried away, but I don't see anything wrong with it, I do see how people got offended and that was not my intention. My intention was just to interpret the lyrics to my song and have a good time up there."



    wow...what a crusader...he starts crying and backtracking, obviously once his PR flacks explained to him that he got himself in to a bad situation that is way above his level of intellect.


    seriously stronzo, what color is the sky in your world?


    he is just another in an endless series of entertainment hacks, who cannot provoke with his songs or lyrics, so tries to do it with shock value.

    zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz


    i didn't even know who this guy was until last night...now, i can happily ignore him for the rest of time without thinking i have missed something important.
     
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    i've never heard adam lambert sing nor have i seen him perform before this AMA performance. but after watching it, i totally love him!

    if people don't like him, they don't have to watch his performance. he is who he is and he shouldn't have to change for anyone. 'nuff said.
     
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    what eminem lyrics were about rape ( just a question, not a point)

    What it shows is that America can accept rape as something that happens, whereas homosexuality isnt. And had this happened in the UK i think the reaction may have been similar, if not as big.

    Funny how the world accepts sexual predatry (sp.?) as natural but not someones sexual preference...
     
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    Well, as far as I knew she didn't participate in American Idol. :rolleyes:

    Come on, now... you can't honestly believe that 100%?
    Practically no performance on live television is done spontaneously. There are plenty of rehearsals that go on before the actual live performance. He could have decided to do something, but you can bet it wasn't something he didn't contemplate beforehand.

    I don't see it that way at all.
    He's giving people who were whining about his performance a little lip service to appease them. If you're a celebrity, you need to do this every so often. At the same time, he's not being 100% apologetic about this. He's not pulling a Chris Brown, showing up on interviews in light blue bow ties and sweaters in an attempt to repair his image.

    The fact that ABC/Disney/GMA overreacted and cancelled his interview just gives more ammunition to Adam to make a statement. Much worse has been seen on this network. I mean, you've seen episodes of "Hi Honey, I'm Home!" have you? If not, consider yourself lucky.

    He's done quite a few performances before this, and they're all viewable on YouTube. Including one when some hack threw a dildoe at him on stage. Whether or not he will have any lasting value in the music industry remains to be seen.

    May I suggest more TV and less porn!!! :wink:
     
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    As Adam Lambert has explained, this story is a non-issue. He did what many guy-girl couples have been doing onstage at award show performances for years, except this time around the genders were the same. Had it been a guy and a girl kissing instead of two guys, nobody would have batted an eyelash or cancelled a thing.

    Also, his performance was aired during the 10:00-11:00 pm hour, which is considered late night, hardly a time for the kiddies to be channel surfing and asking their mummies questions.

    The entire controversy rests on the fact that some "conservative" or uptight americans are homophobic (this is a precise definition, by the way, when you would call up to complain about a guy/guy kiss with gyrating, though not a guy/girl kiss with gyrating).

    The show attracted more than 14 million viewers, and there were approximately 1500 complaints to ABC (about one ten-thousandth of the viewing audience) , which sounds to me to be the size of one medium mega-church.

    At any rate, "Good Morning America" cancelled his appearance, but CBS' "The Early Show" picked him up to perform.

    A parental advocacy group, the Parents Television Council, which monitors tv shows and was upset at Lambert's performance, has said that ABC's reaction (the GMA cancellation) was, in fact, an "overreaction" and "too harsh".

    Tempest in a teacup.
     
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    Interesting. This seems like a cop-out since he is a perfectionist on stage and has everything choreographed.

    Kris Allen wouldn't have lied.
     
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    Maybe not everything is choreographed all the time.
     
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    LOL!!!! :biggrin1:



    exactamundo



    ...and ruin all the dexterity he's developed in his right wrist?:eek: For shame! :cool:

    I live in eternal hope.
     
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    actually, the entire controversy does not rest with "some" conservatives...

    and you clearly omitted the man on man simulated oral sex...or did that not count in people having a right to get upset?

    last i checked, people flipped out when Madonna rolled around back on stage in the 80s...and they flipped out when Madonna kissed Britney and whoever...there is a difference...that was on *MTV*

    the fact is, this is not cable TV...and, as such their boundaries of censorship for their programming are different. He knew that and you know that.

    the main free TV channels have certain policies regarding "lewd" behavior and don't be surprised if you choose to break them and they choose to censor you.

    you know the rules, you break the rules, then you whine about it as being unfair.

    sorry, focus more on making music instead of trying to shock people.

    you want to simulate oral sex on a dude, do it on a channel that you know does not have rules against that kind of thing.

    :rolleyes:
     
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    wow...funny.

    i happen to be lefthanded...so, wrong again, Stronzo.
     
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    Blasphemy!! :eek:
     
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    Flashy: I'm sure there are many other underlying factors at work here. Being that this is his first album, we have to keep in consideration that he's under a strict contract with the record label. If they told him to jump, he'd better do it or else face being dropped by them and endure whatever financial fees and penalties in the process. Lambert is probably being forced by the label to play some level of damage control, and it wouldn't be the first time this ever happened either. It may seem cowardly on the outside looking in, but he's handling it in a way which shows he's not completely caving in.

    As for the backlash? The fact that he's openly gay is going to hinder his sales already. This was known going into this, so a performance that was called shocking by ABC/Disney isn't going to do much at all. As for the comparisons to Freddy Mercury... that was dreamed up by folks who watched American Idol. That certainly wasn't Adam Lambert's intention, nor was he trying to recreate his persona. But if we need to compare apples to oranges, Freddy wasn't openly gay to the public eye. So as much as he was influential to the music scene, Adam has already did one thing that he would never have.

    The album is officially out as of today... let's see what happens. ;)
     
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    Simply because one or two posters choose to post irrelevant subjective opinion does not negate the fact that the Adam Lambert knows precisely what he's doing.

    What he said ^ up there. Yup.
     
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    i was not aware this was his first album( since i had not even heard of him until this whole incident)

    it just seems to me, (from a personal standpoint) that one would want their first ever album to make it or impress based on the strength of the music, not some silly statement that the artist claimed he was making (then claimed he was not making)

    as for Freddie, while he was not "openly" gay to the public, that is not really true at all. pretty much everyone i knew, (and i was about 9) believed he was based on what we heard from older kids who liked Queen and the interviews we read

    as some have said, his sexuality seemed to pass right over the heads of many fans, or it simply was not an issue....

    but Freddie was in fact openly gay, he just chose not to discuss it and make it public as a point of who he was as an artist...

    i knew he was gay, as i said, because he said it publicly on the record on several occasions

    he referred to himself as gay in a 1974 interview with New Musical Express.

    and one of his favorite quotes was "I am as gay as a daffodil, my dear"

    he was married to a woman but he was openly bi- during that whole time and it was well known throughout the music industry that his wife was his best friend, more than his "lover".


    my favorite example of this naivety of some of his fans and the public in general was (way after the fact) in the Borat movie, when he asks "Is Freddy Mercury homosexual?" which always makes me laugh.
     
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    if he knows precisely what he's doing, then why would he be backtracking and apologizing?

    one would think he didn't know that his record company would go nuts and the network too. :rolleyes:

    in which case, it is not a brave stand to take at all...he chose to do something dumb and provocative, and, in stead of planning for the backlash he knew would be coming and declaring openly "too bad", he is parsing statements, equivocating and whining and trying to make it a freedom of expression issue.

    it isn't.

    simply because you choose to post your irrelevant and subjective opinion, does not make you right...and, in fact, his behavior in the aftermath refutes your opinion, in that he is neither a great artist, or a crusader, if he knew ahead of time he was going to take such a backlash, would have to apologize and bow to the record companies.

    knowing precisely that you are going to cause this big dumb incident, and that you are going to get slaughtered for it, and then will have to apologize and have to play nice and make excuses, is hardly a great stand or "Standing Tall" as you so foolishly called it in the title to this thread.

    it is hardly a coup to do something you know you will have to prove contrition and sorrow for, and then to do that.

    "Standing Tall" is you called it, would have involved him telling everyone they could take a hike.

    as such, he did nothing but pull a cheap, tasteless stunt, that he knew he was going to do ahead of time, and then acquiesce to his record company to apologize for it and act sorry, which he knew he'd have to do ahead of time, and is whole explanation for it was that he got "carried away". what a joke...he took the "dog ate my homework" way out...if you don't want to do your homework, to make a statement to the teacher and the class, at least have the guts to walk into class and say you did it on purpose to show the unfairness of doing homework you do not like, as opposed to blaming it on canine accomplice.

    you need to redefine "standing tall" because this certainly isn't it.
     
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    It's a good album. And I don't care what you say, the dude has some fucking BALLS to go up there and do what he did. He will be around far longer than a lot of you haters would like. Long live Adam Lambert.
     
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