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Yeah that's a bit much, he's nowhere near the greats. Not by a long shot.
Adam Lambert's AMA performance, Public Perception, & the Gay Rights Movement
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Yeah that's a bit much, he's nowhere near the greats. Not by a long shot.
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Lambert is the closest thing to a "Rock Star" the gay community has?!! No way! Rob Halford, singer for Judas Priest, has been openly out since '97 but his being gay was known for years by industry folks and the circles they ran in. I mean, he basically took the Greenwich Village leather look and became a Heavy Metal fashion icon. He's just one example that I can think of who is still active and touring. I know some people are thinking who the fuck is Rob Halford and Judas Priest but their following is still really strong. They didn't disappear when the 80's ended. All you would have to do is go to a Judas Priest concert to know they can still draw a decent size crowd every night of any tour they do.
Anyway, I know WT and I disagree alot but I really understand where he's coming from here. Incremental steps is still progress. The all or nothing attitude, while principled and admireable, yeilds slow results. I think that's all he's saying.
Anyway, I know WT and I disagree alot but I really understand where he's coming from here. Incremental steps is still progress. The all or nothing attitude, while principled and admireable, yeilds slow results. I think that's all he's saying.
MercyfulFate
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You read my mind. Elton John even, and the late Freddy Mercury are on levels that Lambert could never, ever reach. He'll be fading away in a year or two.
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what happens to a dream deferred?
does it dry up
like a raisin in the sun?
or fester like a sore -
and then run?
does it stink like rotten meat?
or crust and sugar over -
like a syrupy sweet?
maybe it just sags
like a heavy load
or does it explode?
langston hughes 1902-1967
does it dry up
like a raisin in the sun?
or fester like a sore -
and then run?
does it stink like rotten meat?
or crust and sugar over -
like a syrupy sweet?
maybe it just sags
like a heavy load
or does it explode?
langston hughes 1902-1967
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Funny but the greats that are still living completely disagree with you as do I .
He is vocally already on their level and will only get better and will be around in Rock music for a very long time . Why do you think all the greats are behind him ? Incredible songwriters are giving him stuff to record. His vocal ability and range have no equal in Rock music for our time !!!
HH
lol...dude, he is about as much of a "rock star" as Ronnie James Dio is a gangster rapper.
the kid is a pop singer/personality...not a rock star
Jimmy Page is a rock star...Madame Glambert is not
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Yeah, Madame Glambert....
While that's an original nickname, no doubt, I can't say that it's called for. Actually, it's a bit uncouth. No, it's not mild enough to be called uncouth. Rather, it's vile.
Sir, complain about Adam Lambert's lack of talent all you wish, I won't argue. Talent, and the perception thereof, is a subjective quality. One person may recognize talent in a snail, if he chooses. Please, however, do not resort to attacks of his person based on his sexuality. You may not agree with his "tactics" at the AMAs. You may think it was some publicity stunt. You are entitled to those opinions. You are not entitled to make his sexuality a JOKE. Gays are not jokes. We're real humans, with real feelings (yes, my bleeding heart reveals itself), and we deserve respect.
"Madame Glambert" is simply an intolerable insult.
Yeah, Madame Glambert....
LOL...calling him Glambert, is not vile. he attempts a cheesy glam veneer. it works perfectly well, as you can see with Lambert.
so i assume you do not like the "Madame"
you will be happy to know, that it was not i that thought of it...it was apparently created back in March, by several people, and is used rather liberally by a host of folks, including many gay bloggers.
so take it up with them.
it is perfectly called for...if you want to be taken seriously and not have people call you "Madame Glambert" or "Glamberace" you do not make an album cover like this.
http://www.starsareblind.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/Adam-Lambert-Album-Cover.jpg
if you do not want to be called a nickname for a girl, do not paint your self up to look like a girl.
that being said, i had never heard either nickname up until a couple of weeks ago, which is when i first heard about him after his "performance"
now that i have heard it, i intend to use it all the time.
Sir, he sucks.
there is no attack based on his sexuality...sir...it is based on him making himself up to look like a woman, that obviously caused people to coin the phrase months ago.
nowhere does that talk about his sexuality...it talks about his *APPEARANCE*...and if that is what he chooses to portray to the public, as his image, then it is fairgame...
there was no reference to his sexuality. get over yourself
oh, it wasn't a publicity stunt? yes, grinding a dude's face in your crotch, kissing a dude and a woman, then giving your audience the finger could not *POSSIBLY* be a PR stunt, could it?
actually, i am entitled to make his sexuality a joke...joking is not illegal. However i did not make his sexuality a joke...I made his appearance a joke, and that is not something uncontrollable, like his sexuality.
if you are gay, that is not something to be insulted...if you are a man, and you dress like a woman for attention, image, and publicity, don't be surprised if a joke is made about it.
indeed, gays are not jokes...indeed gays deserve respect...but attention whoring, publicity hungry "stars" deliberately trying to be "provocative" by acting like an idiots are fair game to have the act they choose to do, and the appearance and image they choose to exhibit, criticized and made fun of...whether it is Beyonce and Britney wearing stupid hair extensions, or Madame Glambert making himself up to look like a woman on his album, do not deserve respect...it is fair game if they choose to make themselves ridiculous.
sexuality and deliberate appearance fabrication are two totally different things...sexuality deserves respect, dressing stupidly, does not.
being gay does not mean you have to dress like a woman. he made a choice. deal with it if that was what you want to portray.
then don't tolerate it...but it is perfectly acceptable.
I will continue to refer to him as that, since it has nothing to do with his sexuality, and has everything to do with his deliberate projection of a female persona, even though he is totally male, and even though he deliberately has projected, at his own initiation.
Madame Glambert is not an insult...it is a joke, about a silly person, and has nothing to do with his sexual identity or gayness...it has to do with his absurd assimilation of a diva type persona and making oneself up like a girl.
my friends who are hetero receive the same type of ribbing when they behave in a "bitchy manner"...they get the insult about having "sand in their vagina"
stop being a baby.
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Ahh I see your problem with ADAM now . Well according to like 99% of the music industry you are sadly mistaken ! His verion of WHOLE LOTTA LOVE was incredible , as good as the original just not as raw !
HH
oh, i see...you have surveyed 99% of the music industry?
and if he is such a rock star, how come is album is still not selling so well?
oh...and your absurd assertion, that his version of Whole Lotta Love was "incredible" and "as good as the original"...exposes you as a silly clown.
Led Zeppelin is my favorite band...i have dozens of bootlegs and have been a fan for 30 years...
his version is *NOWHERE* near as good...and here is just a little info for you... he is nowhere near Jimmy Page as a "rock star"...not even remotely close. the fact that you would even *ATTEMPT* to put this absurdd personality
http://hotcelebs.today.com/files/2009/03/adam-lambert-top-13-american-idol-party-blue-highlights.jpg
even remotely near this musical *GENIUS*, *GIANT* and true *ROCK STAR*
http://www.stryder.de/pics/page_dragon09.jpg
is laughable
you are on some kind of drug to even make the statement it was "as good as the original". laughably so. his was a cheesy, posed, contrived effort at edginess, the lame sneer, and a garbage abridged piece of dung
the simple fact that there are a bunch of ridiculous teeny boppers going wild over this nonsense, while most have probably never even heard *ANY* other Led Zeppelin songs in their lives is more than enough.
i'd really like you to watch this absurd joke:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3U4AIObPsfA
and then, listen to the *REAL THING*, live, without a bunch of prepackaged BS...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hL781hmfDYY&
and even attempt to justify your statement that it was "as good as the original just not as raw"
your absurd and desperate desire to raise this guy to "rock star" status is ridiculous, especially considering he is a pop star, and his music is pop, not rock.
just because he did a cheap, pop, karaoke version of Whole Lotta Love, does not make him anymore rock, then Nirvana doing "Where did you sleep last night" made them Blues.
you should not even be allowed to listen to Led Zeppelin for making such a stupid comparison between arguably one of the Top 2 most influential bands of all time and a glorified karaoke singer who has been famous for about 6 months.
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flashy, have you watched his performances from the American Idol season? I'd be interested in your [hopefully] unbiased critiques of some of these performances, maybe you could be the next Simon Cowell? Please don't mind the condensed youtube sound.
Mad World
Ring of Fire
Tracks of my Tears
Satisfaction
Born to be Wild
If I Can't Have You
Adam Lambert took the show in a new direction. Every other singer has been 100% karaoke, at least he had the balls to change the songs up and make them sound fresh. He made it entertaining because every week you tuned in, love him or hate him, to see what he would do. The show will never be the same.
I think what hunghuge is saying is that Lambert is as close as this generation will ever have to a rock star. So let us revel in it a bit, he may be no robert plant, but he may be our only hope, because mainstream rock is dead. You have to go LOOKING for rock these days.
Just so you can have an idea, this is some of Adam's work before he was "discovered" on Idol (I still believe he was a plant by the producers);
Crawl Thru Fire
Very reminiscent of early 90's rock, I kind of wish he heads in this direction once his Idol album contract is over. But no one else these days, in this generation, does shit like this anymore. Look man, you grew up in a generation of rockers when music actually rocked, so you have to understand when us youngsters get a glimpse of someone who can rock today we get excited. Kind of like when Van Halen III came out when I was in high school. All the old school VH fans hated it but I didn't care, I was just grateful that Van Halen came out with an album while I was in high school. Crawl Thru Fire live Who else these days, or in the last decade, can pull off the rockstar motif better than him? The dude from Faith No More was pretty bad ass, but he's disappeared.
Here is another glimpse of his vocal prowess pre-idol in a play with Val Kilmer, I advise watching the entire clip but he starts to get cooking at 2:35 until the end. His talent can't be denied. Is Anybody Listening?
Mad World
Ring of Fire
Tracks of my Tears
Satisfaction
Born to be Wild
If I Can't Have You
Adam Lambert took the show in a new direction. Every other singer has been 100% karaoke, at least he had the balls to change the songs up and make them sound fresh. He made it entertaining because every week you tuned in, love him or hate him, to see what he would do. The show will never be the same.
I think what hunghuge is saying is that Lambert is as close as this generation will ever have to a rock star. So let us revel in it a bit, he may be no robert plant, but he may be our only hope, because mainstream rock is dead. You have to go LOOKING for rock these days.
Just so you can have an idea, this is some of Adam's work before he was "discovered" on Idol (I still believe he was a plant by the producers);
Crawl Thru Fire
Very reminiscent of early 90's rock, I kind of wish he heads in this direction once his Idol album contract is over. But no one else these days, in this generation, does shit like this anymore. Look man, you grew up in a generation of rockers when music actually rocked, so you have to understand when us youngsters get a glimpse of someone who can rock today we get excited. Kind of like when Van Halen III came out when I was in high school. All the old school VH fans hated it but I didn't care, I was just grateful that Van Halen came out with an album while I was in high school. Crawl Thru Fire live Who else these days, or in the last decade, can pull off the rockstar motif better than him? The dude from Faith No More was pretty bad ass, but he's disappeared.
Here is another glimpse of his vocal prowess pre-idol in a play with Val Kilmer, I advise watching the entire clip but he starts to get cooking at 2:35 until the end. His talent can't be denied. Is Anybody Listening?
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now i have watched them. all. i had seen tracks of my tears and mad world, before, and found them completely unmoving.
color me totally unimpressed. he has a great voice with lots of range....but that is not enough.
standing on the shoulders of giants, having a musical arranger change the music, and taking credit, does not make him great nor did it make the songs sound fresh, IMO. it makes him a cover artist, like the rest of the "Idols" are on that show...and it is still very karaoke...granted with a lot of polish, live arrangement, and showmanship
there are *PLENTY* of singers out there with great voices...many of them have been on the American Idol program...but that does not make them stars.
that was not what he was saying at all. he clearly knows what he said and has said it twice now.
mainstream rock has been dead for a long time, but there are still decent bands around, though not great ones...and as long as Queens of the Stone Age are around, i really cannot look at this poser as "rock's only hope". the Black Crowes have been excellent for a long time though they have been semi-retired for awhile.
sorry...did nothing for me. i didn't find it very reminiscent of anything except someone who arranged it for him trying to relay a rock image.
no they don't...but neither does he. much like you said, probably correctly that he was a "plant", that is what he is trying to do now...he is a pop singer trying to position or "plant" himself as a rock star. Rock stars are not born on American Idol.
i would agree, but i cannot imagine that your generation (which is only in your case about 11 years behind me) can be so lost from when rock was real that you would be snookered by this guy as someone "who can rock".
if you were born in 1982, you caught grunge, at a very young (9-13) and then the post grunge phase, and Oasis, early Radiohead, Stone Temple Pilots, smashing pumpkins, foo fighters etc...and while they were not as gigantic as 70s bands, i know from my youth that the music that hits you between age 7 to age 17 or so, is usually what forms you, which means that you caught the last wave, (luckily) of quality to be seen in rock...you were old enough to have gone to see Pearl Jam, STP, Oasis, etc. and other bands that if not the greatest rock bands, were churning out some great stuff and were in their prime...not to mention, you were old enough to catch some of the old acts getting out and touring (Page/Plant, Stones, Clapton, etc.)
but this is what i am talking about...you were being suckered...that was not Van Halen...Gary Cherone?
you were graduating from high school in roughly 98-00 (IIRC)...so Page/Plant were coming around for their second time, Pearl Jam was still touring, the Black Crowes were still banging away, the Stones were coming every three years)
as for VH...i *LOVED* VH...i went as David Lee Roth for Halloween from the time i was 10 to when i was 13.
i saw them on the Fair Warning tour at age 10, the Hide Your Sheep tour at age 12, and the 1984 tour at 12 again...
and when Hagar came in 1985, VH ended.
what i am saying is, don't be grateful for getting ground beef as a substitute for when folks used to be given chateuabriand....better to push the plate away, i say.
but that is just the point...being a rock star is not a "motif"...a "fashion" an "image" or a persona to be created...you are either a rockstar, by the force of what you are...or you are not.
Jimmy Page, as i used the example, did not craft an "image"...his own personal style, beliefs, talent and actions, screamed "rock star".
he was perhaps the apex...
you have an occult obsessed, musical genius, who lived in haunted houses by Loch Ness, practiced "magick" was obsessed with Aleister Crowley, dressed the part of an occult magician in concert, was a genius song writer, had 50 cars, yet did not know how to drive...i am not saying that is a requirement, but it was not contrived...he and the rest of Zeppelin, rarely ever gave interviews...a mystique sprung up around them...much like it does with other legends...
Eric Clapton did not offer himself as "god"...but during is career, i remember walking on the streets, and at least a dozen times in my life, saw graffiti that said "Clapton is God" in at least three cities.
that type of spontaneous devotion, in an era with virtually nothing in terms of mass media marketing...(the only thing being rock magazines, record stores, and radio) says volumes.
I saw Pink Floyd "The Wall" live in 1980 at age 9...i saw them again in 1988, without Roger Waters, and though the light show was great and i had taken mescaline, i had the distinct feeling i was seeing something less.
all i am saying, is do not except lower quality, in the absence of higher quality and lie to your to convince yourself about what you are receiving.
indeed...his talent for the stage and for that number and other plays shows he would make a fine stage actor/broadway singer...
but that does not make him a rock star, or even close to it. IMO
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who knows...we might not...we haven't had any big rock stars come up in a long time, and those that did, did not want to be ones in the classic sense (Cobain, Vedder)
but to say that in the absence of real rock stars, we should accept contrived mediocrity, faux posing, the false article and PR stunts, is, to me, a very disappointing possibility.
Yeah, we already get enough of that from real rock stars. Amy Winehouse for example. Like her, but what a moth to a flame.
