Afghanistan Government Has Collapse In Taliban Takeover!!

[XAngel97]

Biden has no choice but to stick behind his decision to withdraw troops from Afghanistan.
He does on the point show he was prepared to do what no other president would do.
He is also right to say that it was always going to be messy, however it is that messiness that's caused the biggest problem.
He is wrong to blame the Afghanistan forces or the local government.
He is wrong to so the allies are as much to blame for the chaos as they were fully involved in the decision to pull out.
If he wonders why his ratings have gone down at home and plummeted overseas then he should look to the truth.Trump made a unilateral statement saying the troops would be coming home - without consulting any of the other counties with troops in Afghanistan, Trump spoke so it would be.
NATO and other world forces went into Afghanistan 20 years ago to support the USA following the horror 9/11 terrorist attacks. The USA had the most forces supplemented by troops from round the world without whom the number of troops would have not been sufficient.
We'll forget all the reports, well documented now in the Washington Post and other journals about the failure to tell the American people the truth a bout the war that was not being won and the realisation that the generals didn't really know why they were there.
For some reason best know to the military brass they decided three years ago to ADD to the number of troops and Trump signed off on This, but as was obvious the numbers changed nothing. Just added to the national debt.
The second truth is the Biden musty face up to him giving the order to begin the retreat. Remember the troops leaving at 3 in the morning, not even informing the local militia they were going, not telling the other respective governments they were beginning to pull out. Well Biden, that's what you did so please don't say everybody decided, you made the decision.
Go back to May when it was announced that the USA would finally leave the country by September and wonder what the next most sensible thing to do would be. Oh yes, p,an how to get not military personnel out and then thew troops, this would require a big logistical effort, more so because it would involve members of the support group's families as well any politicians thought the be in peril.
As the inevitable happened, intelligence, if there was any, dried up, the Taliban moved forwards with speed to take over evacuated towns and villages as the administration panicked and what should have been an orderly well planned departure turned int a mad scramble as the realisation that the five months of planning for this day hadn't happened, there were no lists, no names and no ide of transportation requirements. Those not in the forces but ground workers trying to get out have an insurmountable amount of red tape trying to get the right departure papers in place - serviced it must be said by very little in the way of help from the USA
The fall of the Afghanistan to the Taliban has resulted in every country that has supported the USA with troops with the same problems of trying to get people out, the governments of those countries are being blamed for the debacle caused by the USA administration - is it no wonder that the USA once looked on as a world leader is now being regarded as an also ran.
The longer Biden continues to try and pass the buck - which he said stops with him and accepts the chaos was due to USA negligence then the sooner he might be regarded as a man as good as his word.
Yes, at some time the occupation had to end, and yes it was never going to be simple - but this charade should never have happened. It did, so commander in chief, really let the buck stop with you!

From what i saw his ratings didn't go down and mosr approved. It. Blame should be om the military as well.

 

[chrisrobin]

From what i saw his ratings didn't go down and mosr approved. It. Blame should be om the military as well.

THE BUCK STOPS HERE!

 

[swingfun]

Having been in the military this was NOT a well thought out withdrawal. You DO NOT leave all your weapons behind for the enemy to usr. You either blow them in place or take it with you. You also don't leave allies and your fellow countrymen hanging. This could have been done far better.

 

[g_diesel]

Try again, some of us pay attention............

Yes, you pay attention when it comes to criticizing Trump. When it’s Biden, his son, Harris or other inadequates from the Democratic Party - your attention is in a deep sleep.

I’m not going to argue about it in this thread, admins delete offtopic again. I expressed my opinion that Trump would handle withdrawal much better, that’s it.

 

[gallan1]

Lots of things can be true that diverge from party line thinking. Was the Trump administration somewhat to blame for the mess? Yes. Could the Biden administration be to blame for the messy pullout? Yes. Is Biden too old? Yes. Am I glad Trump isn't president? YES! If things go fairly well from here on out I don't think anyone is going to be giving this much thought 6 months from now and even less a year from now.
As a left leaning person I've been trying to listen to the conservative libertarian crowd the past few days. They seem fairly happy about what's going on. I'll add that if a Republican administration were involved in all of this the Fox News crowd would be spinning this as a glorious win and there would be no pearl clutching from conservatives about the fate of the Afghan people. The MAGA folks would say fuck them.

 

[phonehome]

Having been in the military this was NOT a well thought out withdrawal. You DO NOT leave all your weapons behind for the enemy to usr. You either blow them in place or take it with you. You also don't leave allies and your fellow countrymen hanging. This could have been done far better.

I was in the Military, 22 years and spent plenty of time in that AOR

They did NOT leave all those weapons and equipment "for the enemy to use" they left them behind FOR THE AFGHAN ARMY to use. Had we destroyed all that stuff or taken it with us the same people whining about how we left it their would have been saying how we "abandoned" the Afghan Army and left them with "nothing to fight with.

Is it supposed to be our fault that the Afghan Army appears to have had little to no interests in resisting the Taliban?

Not even a little bit ?

The Afghan's it is a little bit different story but I have little sympathy for any American who is still in Afghanistan, the State Department over a month ago said that any and all Americans in Afghanistan should leave so if you were still there 10 - 14 days ago that is your own dam fault.

They had at least a week to see the Taliban making advasnces when commerical flights out were still available., if the contractor you worked for, the Haliburton's KBR's of the world had wanted they could have sent in charter flights to get their employees out, had they wanted to do it, had they gave dam. If the company they worked for didn't do that, did not give dam, took a F--K you you are on your own attitude that is/was supposed to be the US governments fault ?

If you were an American in Afghanistan you were working for the US government, maybe 2 or 3 steps removed through a contractor or maybe some kind of NGO but one way or another the US government was picking up the tab and you had to know or should have known that was all going to end end by next month, 9-11 3 weeks from now, so what the f--k were you still doing there ?

 

[phonehome]

Lots of things can be true that diverge from party line thinking. Was the Trump administration somewhat to blame for the mess? Yes. Could the Biden administration be to blame for the messy pullout? Yes. Is Biden too old? Yes. Am I glad Trump isn't president? YES! If things go fairly well from here on out I don't think anyone is going to be giving this much thought 6 months from now and even less a year from now.
As a left leaning person I've been trying to listen to the conservative libertarian crowd the past few days. They seem fairly happy about what's going on. I'll add that if a Republican administration were involved in all of this the Fox News crowd would be spinning this as a glorious win and there would be no pearl clutching from conservatives about the fate of the Afghan people. The MAGA folks would say fuck them.

Plenty of MAGA folks, the Tucker Carlson's of the world are saying "fuck them" now anyway.

 

[chicagosam]

Plenty of MAGA folks, the Tucker Carlson's of the world are saying "fuck them" now anyway.

That was the plan from the beginning. They put big “durn” wheels on the Trump/Miller/MAGA xenophobe bus “‘cause they’s reel ‘Muricans” and Afghans”ain’t”.
Afghanistan Government Has Collapse In Taliban Takeover!!

 

[bar4doug]

Lots of things can be true that diverge from party line thinking. Was the Trump administration somewhat to blame for the mess? Yes. Could the Biden administration be to blame for the messy pullout? Yes. Is Biden too old? Yes. Am I glad Trump isn't president? YES! If things go fairly well from here on out I don't think anyone is going to be giving this much thought 6 months from now and even less a year from now.

Four presidents are to blame. This much is clear. Arguing who is to blame more doesn't solve the problem, nor does it help the people most impacted by the withdrawal.

It is unfortunate that the primary function of a politician elected to high office is to make sure they get elected again. They employ their team and contacts to control the narrative / discussion, in an attempt to ensure this outcome. So they do what their backers want to do, even if it may not be the "right" thing to do in the short term...

So, as I see it, sitting in my blue 1970's office chair that belongs on the Mike Douglas Show, all these politicians failed to protect the people on the ground in Afghanistan, and ensure safe extraction. We all agree that this endeavor was futile and a mistake, but to abandon the people on the ground who were trying to make it work, they deserve better - both the Americans still on the ground, and the Afghani citizens who assisted us...

 

[Klingsor]

^^^ I'll agree with you. This one time. Ever.

Too bad it's on such a sad topic.

 

[swingfun]

I was in the Military, 22 years and spent plenty of time in that AOR

They did NOT leave all those weapons and equipment "for the enemy to use" they left them behind FOR THE AFGHAN ARMY to use. Had we destroyed all that stuff or taken it with us the same people whining about how we left it their would have been saying how we "abandoned" the Afghan Army and left them with "nothing to fight with.

Is it supposed to be our fault that the Afghan Army appears to have had little to no interests in resisting the Taliban?

Not even a little bit ?

The Afghan's it is a little bit different story but I have little sympathy for any American who is still in Afghanistan, the State Department over a month ago said that any and all Americans in Afghanistan should leave so if you were still there 10 - 14 days ago that is your own dam fault.

They had at least a week to see the Taliban making advasnces when commerical flights out were still available., if the contractor you worked for, the Haliburton's KBR's of the world had wanted they could have sent in charter flights to get their employees out, had they wanted to do it, had they gave dam. If the company they worked for didn't do that, did not give dam, took a F--K you you are on your own attitude that is/was supposed to be the US governments fault ?

If you were an American in Afghanistan you were working for the US government, maybe 2 or 3 steps removed through a contractor or maybe some kind of NGO but one way or another the US government was picking up the tab and you had to know or should have known that was all going to end end by next month, 9-11 3 weeks from now, so what the f--k were you still doing there ?

First...thank you for your service. I think we were there trying to do what America is famous for. Trying to nation build. They didn't want it. After Bin Laden was taken out we should have left Afghanistan and came home. All we did after that point was lose good service members and wasted tax dollars while fattening defense contractors bank accounts. I feel very sorry for the sacrifices made and the families that lost loved ones.

 

[Industrialsize]

8000 people got out on flights yesterday, so pretty good assumption there is some process (with the chaos). That the military and embassy are not telling us does not mean it isn’t happening. It means they are playing smart. 8000.

 

[Jjz1109]

Spin. Spin. Spin.

 

[Jjz1109]

8000 people got out on flights yesterday, so pretty good assumption there is some process (with the chaos). That the military and embassy are not telling us does not mean it isn’t happening. It means they are playing smart. 8000.

And we all know one who left the chaos and got on a flight. To Singapore.

Harris laughs at, shuts down questions as she says Afghanistan is her highest priority

 

[deleted1149118]

Afghanistan was a costly and useless foray into the middle east. So many dead civilians and so many dead service members, only to create another power vacuum.

 

[BillM]

Woman fleeing Taliban says militants are searching for sex slaves and having sex with dead bodies: Report
Matthew Miller 4 hrs ago

A woman who fled the Taliban in Afghanistan reportedly said militants are searching for sex slaves and having sex with corpses.

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The woman was a police officer in Afghanistan before fleeing to India following the group's insurgence into Kabul, she said.

Women were either taken or shot, she added.

“They rape dead bodies too," the woman told News 18, according to a report from India’s North-Eastern Chronicle. "They don’t care whether the person is dead or alive. … Can you imagine this?”

HOW THE US IS HANDLING CORONAVIRUS IN KABUL AMID AFGHANISTAN EVACUATIONS

“When we were there, we received numerous warnings," the woman, only identified as Muskan, continued. "If you go to work, you are under threat. Your family is under threat. After one warning, they would stop giving any warning."

She said the Taliban wanted to "get their hands on every woman from every family," according to the report.

Though Taliban leaders have said they would respect women's rights in Afghanistan, reports of Taliban militants beating people for wearing Western apparel surfaced this week, as well as a report of a woman being killed for not wearing a burqa.

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One woman was “put on fire because she was accused of bad cooking for Taliban fighters,” said former Afghan Judge Najla Ayoubi.

 

[dreamer20]

Afghanistan veteran DESTROYS Trump advisor Stephen Miller on air

 

[chrisrobin]

With the window of escape rapidly shutting, there is deep apprehension among those who fear persecution by the Taliban that they will be abandoned, trapped in the country isolated from the outside world.
In a 90-minute video summit of G7 nations, several leaders – believed to include French president Emmanuel Macron and the European Commission’s Ursula von der Leyden as well as the prime minister – voiced concern that thousands of people under threat from the fundamentalist Taliban regime will be left behind because of Joe Biden’s self-imposed 31 August deadline.
But the US president would not budge
Biden cited heightened security risks to troops as he defied calls by Boris Johnson and other G7 leaders to delay his August 31 exit date from Afghanistan
Thousands upon thousands are still trapped in this no man's land - behind them the Taliban, in front of them soldiers who have to decide who stays and who goes.
The hours are counting down towards the 31 August deadline for withdrawal, and they know it.
There are no good options left to them - stick this out, try to get the family through and onto a flight but risk failure, or go home and await whatever may happen at the hands of the Taliban and hope it's not fatal.
Those who once stood shoulder to shoulder with the USA hope for a miracle otherwise the blood of thousands will be on the hands of the President of the United Sates.

 

[b.c.]

8000 people got out on flights yesterday, so pretty good assumption there is some process (with the chaos). That the military and embassy are not telling us does not mean it isn’t happening. It means they are playing smart. 8000.

According to recent reports more than that. Roughly 10,000 per day. Being flown out now by military and commercial airlines.

Republican Congressman slams Trump/Pompeo: Appeased the Taliban. Started the Afghanistan fiasco.

We defeated ourselves’: Trump’s national security adviser says Pompeo signed ‘surrender agreement’ with Taliban
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[Industrialsize]

Not one sentence about the 70,000 evacuated in yet another doomsday write-up