Afghanistan Government Has Collapse In Taliban Takeover!!

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Ex-Official Matthew Hoh, Who Resigned over Afghan War, Says U.S. Mistakes Helped Taliban Gain Power | Democracy Now!

Matthew Hoh's Interview with Amy Goodman Summary + Excerpts:

MATTHEW HOH:

With regard to the media coverage ...to put it simply, you see the same people who have been wrong about the Afghan War trotted out over and over again. The commentary is simplistic. It relies on the narratives. You have commentators who say things about the war, about how Afghanistan, prior to Joe Biden’s withdrawal, was in a period of relative stability, how there had been progress — you know, just complete lies and fabrications that are very easy to fact-check, but aren’t.

And I think this is why Joe Biden could go and speak to the American public on Monday about a war that has devastated millions of lives, caused so much suffering, and Joe Biden can open his remarks by lying about his opposition to the surge in 2009, which he did not oppose — as well as, too, his lie about how the United States was not doing nation-building. There’s a media environment here where Joe Biden and his people knew he could just open up those remarks with those lies, and it would just be accepted.

AMY GOODMAN: Let’s go — let’s go back to President Biden’s address on Monday, when he came in from Camp David as he was being fiercely criticized for the chaos in Kabul and what’s happened in Afghanistan. This is his address about the U.S. mission in Afghanistan.


PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN: I’ve argued for many years that our mission should be narrowly focused on counterterrorism, not counterinsurgency or nation-building. That’s why I opposed the surge when it was proposed in 2009, when I was vice president.

AMY GOODMAN: Matthew Hoh?

MATTHEW HOH: The United States did try counterterrorism. The counterterrorism strategy that Joe Biden is speaking of is the strategy that General Petraeus utilized after General McChrystal left and when the United States switched from counterinsurgency to counterterrorism. And what did that mean? That meant bombing villages and doing night raids, sending commandos 20 times a night into Afghan villages to kick in doors and kill people. And you saw the results of that. The results of that was, every year, the Taliban got stronger. Every year, the Taliban gained more support.

And this comes to the whole folly of what the United States did there. For decades, the United States gave the Afghan people two choices: You can either support the Taliban or you can support this government composed of warlords and drug lords, that is corrupt, undemocratic — because all the elections have been incredibly illegitimate and fraudulent — and predatory. And the United States used a divide-and-conquer strategy to try and achieve its objectives in Afghanistan, just as it did in Iraq with pitting the Shias versus the Sunnis. And so, what you have is, again, this choice: pick the Taliban or this government. And what has occurred in this last year is ... Afghans from all parts of the country, all ethnicities have supported the Taliban, because that’s how bad of an option the Afghan government has been to the Afghan people for these last two decades...











 

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But But But- tell me how the GOP got us in the war? Please dont rely on the LPSG trolls and copy paste google. Tell me from your knowledge on the subject how the GOP got us in this war. Was it the Mujahideen ?

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That is about the most profound statement I've seen on here in years. Sadly true.
 
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You guys are discussing this like we had a set goal of why we stayed there. But please... Continue. Once again: It was not ONE president. It was not ONE person in Congress. It was us. We allowed these bastards to create this Military Industrial Complex machine out of it. We went there to kill folks out of revenge. That is why we fucking went there. Not for "the children" or the "women's rights"... We went there to fucking kill. Then we turned it into a political amusement park in Hell. No... WE fucked up. They were elected by US.
 

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Nailed it. And I go back to my OP: We keep electing these asshats. Over and over. And I agree with Beau in his video. I hold Obama to the fire the most. Why? He is a smart man, he knows better. Yet he "droned up" and cause them to want to hate us more.
Lol bush started this shit, drones were going to be used regardless if obama was in office or not.
 

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For 20 years the top brass of all the administration led about what was going, Bush began the lies, and like Trump believes his lies to be truth Bush was doing it before him, and all the following presidents are guilty of promulgating this fraud.
It wasn't in their interests to say it was all going to the wall because when push came to shove after the original incursion no one had any idea of why they were there, what the end game would be and how long they intended to be spending money willfully.
To admit they were failing would have raised more questions than they could answer - so for all the faults in the current withdrawal Biden was the only one who could see that the plug needed pulling. Had he not followed the flawed Trump plan he to would have been stuck in the never ending war.
So you want to blame someone. Begin at the beginning, question all the doctored reports of "progress" and discover the for progress read regression.
Don't just stop at the presidents either for the entire administration on the Hill over the last 20m years is as much to blame for not questioning some very obviously doctored reports, questions which should have been asked with an insistence on a reply just didn't get asked - maybe because the whole shebang is founded by big business from arms to oil.
So the noises will go on, the troops will come home and the civilians will be forgotten as slowly the chatter will subside as congress gets back to taking cash for questions - sorry - lobbying expenses and no one will be taken to task.
Why, simple, to many high officials are involved, to many already covering their backs and in the end the inevitable answer of "I didn't know/realise/understand".
 

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Billions in US weaponry seized by Taliban
Rebecca Kheel 2 hrs ago


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Billions of dollars of U.S. weapons are now in the hands of the Taliban following the quick collapse of Afghan security forces that were trained to use the military equipment.

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© Getty Images Billions in US weaponry seized by Taliban
Among the items seized by the Taliban are Black Hawk helicopters and A-29 Super Tucano attack aircraft.


Photos have also circulated of Taliban fighters clutching U.S.-made M4 carbines and M16 rifles instead of their iconic AK-47s. And the militants have been spotted with U.S. humvees and mine-resistant ambush protected vehicles.

While it's virtually impossible to operate advanced aircraft without training, seizing the hardware gives the militants a propaganda boost and underscores the amount of wasted funds on U.S. military efforts in Afghanistan over the last 20 years.

"When an armed group gets their hands on American-made weaponry, it's sort of a status symbol. It's a psychological win," said Elias Yousif, deputy director of the Center for International Policy's Security Assistance Monitor.

"Clearly, this is an indictment of the U.S. security cooperation enterprise broadly," he added. "It really should raise a lot of concerns about what is the wider enterprise that is going on every single day, whether that's in the Middle East, Sub-Saharan Africa, East Asia."

The United States spent an estimated $83 billion training and equipping Afghan security forces over the last two decades.

Between 2003 and 2016, the United States transferred 75,898 vehicles, 599,690 weapons, 162,643 pieces of communications equipment, 208 aircraft, and 16,191 pieces of intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance equipment to the Afghan forces, according to a 2017 Government Accountability Office report.

From 2017 to 2019, the United States also gave Afghan forces 7,035 machine guns, 4,702 Humvees, 20,040 hand grenades, 2,520 bombs and 1,394 grenade launchers, among other equipment, according to a report last year from the Special Inspector General for Afghanistan Reconstruction (SIGAR).

As of June 30, Afghan forces had 211 U.S.-supplied aircraft in their inventory, a separate SIGAR report said.

At least 46 of those aircraft are now in Uzbekistan after more than 500 Afghan troops used them to flee as the government in Kabul collapsed over the weekend.


Video: US Political Figures React To Taliban Taking Control Of Afghanistan (Newsweek)




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US Political Figures React To Taliban Taking Control Of Afghanistan

  • It is unclear exactly how many weapons have fallen into the hands of the Taliban, but the Biden administration has acknowledged it's a "fair amount."

"We don't have a complete picture, obviously, of where every article of defense materials has gone, but certainly a fair amount of it has fallen into the hands of the Taliban," White House national security adviser Jake Sullivan said Tuesday. "And obviously, we don't have a sense that they are going to readily hand it over to us at the airport."

Still, Sullivan defended President Biden's decision-making in leaving the Afghan forces with high-end equipment.

Even as the U.S. military was withdrawing from Afghanistan, the United States kept aircraft flowing to the Afghans, in July touting plans to send 35 Black Hawk helicopters and three A-29s.

"Those Black Hawks were not given to the Taliban. They were given to the Afghan National Security Forces to be able to defend themselves at the specific request of [Afghan] President [Ashraf] Ghani, who came to the Oval Office and asked for additional air capability, among other things," Sullivan said.

"So, the president had a choice. He could not give it to them with the risk that it would fall into the Taliban's hands eventually, or he could give it to them with the hope that they could deploy it in service of defending their country," Sullivan continued. "Both of those options had risks. He had to choose. And he made a choice."

Pentagon press secretary John Kirby on Wednesday also held there was a "very deliberate" process as U.S. forces withdrew in deciding what equipment to destroy, give to Afghan forces or redeploy elsewhere in the Middle East.

While the Taliban may be "keen" to use some of the more advanced U.S. weaponry, including the aircraft, the militants likely would not be able to keep them in the air for long even if they could coax former Afghans pilot into flying for them, said Yousif of the Center for International Policy.

"They may be able to manage a flight or two or to operate them in some really limited capacity in the short term, but without long term sustainment, maintenance, servicing, that sort of thing, it wouldn't turn into a robust or useful military capability," he said. "It took the Afghans and the United States a long time to develop an indigenous air capability, and even then, they were reliant on the United States to keep those planes in the sky."

A more immediate concern, Yousif said, is that so many small arms were left behind.

"They are easy to maintain, easy to learn how to use, easy to transport," he said. "The concern for all small arms is that they are durable goods and they can be transferred, sold. We've seen this before where a conflict ends and the arms that stay there make their way to all parts of the world."

On Wednesday, more than two dozen Republican senators demanded a "full accounting" of U.S. military equipment given to Afghan forces over the past 12 months, what's been seized by the Taliban and what plans there are to either recapture or destroy the equipment.

"As we watched the images coming out of Afghanistan as the Taliban retook the country, we were horrified to see U.S. equipment - including UH-60 Black Hawks - in the hands of the Taliban," the 25 senators, led by Sen. Marco Rubio (Fla.), wrote in a letter to Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin.

"It is unconscionable that high-tech military equipment paid for by U.S. taxpayers has fallen into the hands of the Taliban and their terrorist allies," they added. "Securing U.S. assets should have been among the top priorities for the U.S. Department of Defense prior to announcing the withdrawal from Afghanistan."

Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Mark Milley on Wednesday declined to comment on the possibility of destroying equipment, saying the military's focus right now is on evacuation operations. Still, Milley told reporters that "we obviously have capabilities."

"We don't obviously want to see our equipment in the hands of those who would act against our interest or the interest of the Afghan people and increase violence and insecurity inside Afghanistan," Kirby said in his own briefing. "There are numerous policy choices that can be made, up to and including destruction, and what I would tell you at this point is those decisions about disposition of that level of equipment in Afghanistan haven't been made yet."
 

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For 20 years the top brass of all the administration led about what was going, Bush began the lies, and like Trump believes his lies to be truth Bush was doing it before him, and all the following presidents are guilty of promulgating this fraud.
It wasn't in their interests to say it was all going to the wall because when push came to shove after the original incursion no one had any idea of why they were there, what the end game would be and how long they intended to be spending money willfully.
To admit they were failing would have raised more questions than they could answer - so for all the faults in the current withdrawal Biden was the only one who could see that the plug needed pulling. Had he not followed the flawed Trump plan he to would have been stuck in the never ending war.
So you want to blame someone. Begin at the beginning, question all the doctored reports of "progress" and discover the for progress read regression.
Don't just stop at the presidents either for the entire administration on the Hill over the last 20m years is as much to blame for not questioning some very obviously doctored reports, questions which should have been asked with an insistence on a reply just didn't get asked - maybe because the whole shebang is founded by big business from arms to oil.
So the noises will go on, the troops will come home and the civilians will be forgotten as slowly the chatter will subside as congress gets back to taking cash for questions - sorry - lobbying expenses and no one will be taken to task.
Why, simple, to many high officials are involved, to many already covering their backs and in the end the inevitable answer of "I didn't know/realise/understand".

Interesting perspective but not entirely accurate for the following. The executive branch does not declare war, the Congress does and more importantly the President is powerless without funding which comes from the Congress. I would estimate 85% of what is wrong today is directly linked to the inability or unwillingness of the Congress to do their job. The only thing they do well with support of a biased media is point the finger at Executive branch all while covering their asses and keeping their jobs, perks and fat retirement plan.
When it comes to progress and regression Id say to see that fairly one would have to begin in 1917 with the poorly written Balfour Declaration where the borders divided tribes and started the fury against the West.
Its easy to criticize the US right now but important to be honest the failure in the withdrawal rest with the current Administration but the last 20 years is a failure of the West. Remember America and our allies invaded a country with congressional approval to get WMD's based on UK intelligence which was fiction.
 
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Interesting perspective but not entirely accurate for the following. The executive branch does not declare war, the Congress does and more importantly the President is powerless without funding which comes from the Congress. I would estimate 85% of what is wrong today is directly linked to the inability or unwillingness of the Congress to do their job. The only thing they do well with support of a biased media is point the finger at Executive branch all while covering their asses and keeping their jobs, perks and fat retirement plan.
When it comes to progress and regression Id say to see that fairly one would have to begin in 1917 with the poorly written Balfour Declaration where the borders divided tribes and started the fury against the West.
Its easy to criticize the US right now but important to be honest the failure in the withdrawal rest with the current Administration but the last 20 years is a failure of the West. Remember America and our allies invaded a country with congressional approval to get WMD's based on UK intelligence which was fiction.
I don't disagree at all but would like to pint out that in the last presidency Congress didn't act independently but only acted according to the voice of the president. Perhaps not properly sated but the voice of the president is the one that's heard, the president could have and should have acted on the information passed on regardless of it being bad news. However no president of either party would have liked to deliver a message that there had been a total failure and no Congress would have acted against the voice of the president - mainly because they are to lickspittle scared and only interested in preserving their places.
 

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I don't disagree at all but would like to pint out that in the last presidency Congress didn't act independently but only acted according to the voice of the president. Perhaps not properly sated but the voice of the president is the one that's heard, the president could have and should have acted on the information passed on regardless of it being bad news. However no president of either party would have liked to deliver a message that there had been a total failure and no Congress would have acted against the voice of the president - mainly because they are to lickspittle scared and only interested in preserving their places.

For the first two years of the Trump Presidency the GOP held all houses of Government and nothing was accomplished- nada legislation passed unless via Exec order. The reason is old guard GOP members like Romney, Cheny, McCain and Speak Ryan and their party allies would not support him as Trump wasn't really Republican in many ways mainly fiscally. However the pesty problem which still exist today is the majority of the people voted for him.
They went against him all the time- Talib said she was going to impeach the "mother f**cker" a completely baseless threat. Congress acted with one voice which was and is for whats in their self interest not that of the people or country.
We have one party which is quickly moving to establish a Mexican style of multi party government where only one is allowed access to the platform- just like the PRE.
The chaos unfolding now in Afghanistan, at our borders, with the Covid vaccine and in our elections is a pre planned exercise to bring down the country and ensure a few retain power when the dust settles.
 
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The chaos unfolding now in Afghanistan, at our borders, with the Covid vaccine and in our elections is a pre planned exercise to bring down the country and ensure a few retain power when the dust settles.
Pre-planned by who? Who will "retain power when the dust settles?"
 

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The chaos unfolding now in Afghanistan, at our borders, with the Covid vaccine and in our elections is a pre planned exercise to bring down the country and ensure a few retain power when the dust settles.
I have to ask: Do you have one single shred of evidence for any of this?
This is just paranoid.
This is the tragedy of what has happened to the American right.
 

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I have to ask: Do you have one single shred of evidence for any of this?
This is just paranoid.
This is the tragedy of what has happened to the American right.

Just open your eyes! It's all around you! Do your own research!

We don't need no stinkin' evidence.
 
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Just open your eyes! It's all around you! Do your own research!

We don't need no stinkin' evidence.
Hear that a lot. And it's scary. And it's growing. It's not a movement toward truth. It's a movement toward hysteria. And it's gaining momentum. It's cresting. And it just may take the American experiment down, and soon.

I hope I'm embarrassed, in a year or two, to read what I've written above. But I dunno. I just dunno.
 

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Talib said she was going to impeach the "mother f**cker" a completely baseless threat.
Funny. I thought he was impeached twice, the only president to be so honoured.
His first impeachment was the first bipartisan impeachment in American history — the first time a member of the president's own party voted in the Senate against him.
And in his second impeachment, the count of Republican senators voting against him swelled to seven.
Some "baseless" threat.
 

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I have to ask: Do you have one single shred of evidence for any of this?
This is just paranoid.
This is the tragedy of what has happened to the American right.
Ease up with the name calling-
My point is pretty simple. The entire US military leadership, CIA, NSA intelligence agencies, Border patrol not to mention other branches of government have all of a sudden all at once come off the rails. I could see a random failure or breakdown but all at once. Im sorry but party politics aside anyone with any critical thinking skills should be starching their head.
 

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Funny. I thought he was impeached twice, the only president to be so honoured.
His first impeachment was the first bipartisan impeachment in American history — the first time a member of the president's own party voted in the Senate against him.
And in his second impeachment, the count of Republican senators voting against him swelled to seven.
Some "baseless" threat.
I know its really hard for you but... Im not talking about Trump here OK? I simply set the record straight on the US congress and their support or lack of him. Something is going on greater than party here
 

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Pre-planned by who? Who will "retain power when the dust settles?"

That is the basis yet the great fail of conspiracy talk. Always a "master plan". But just as you say, who retains the final power?