Afghanistan Government Has Collapse In Taliban Takeover!!

[cycleguy]

Pre-planned by who? Who will "retain power when the dust settles?"

Not sure but there are too many failures of long standing institutions all at once

 

[WilliamG]

I know its really hard for you but... Im not talking about Trump here OK? I simply set the record straight on the US congress and their support or lack of him. Something is going on greater than party here

What's going on is the voters are shut out (I have no idea why). In your fine state you have a governor... Go to his Twitter page. Read ANY of the thousands of tweets to his posts. ANY of them. Every single one calls him out for being a douche bag. Every single one. Yet he has $44 million in campaign cash as of July! Half came from out of state. Something is going on: It's called an Oligarchy. And WE let it happen. Yes. You and I failed.

 

[WilliamG]

Not sure but there are too many failures of long standing institutions all at once

That's how Democracy falls. Very fast. It only takes a glitch, a hint of trouble, some doubt... And boom. Guns and ammunition fly off the shelves.

 

[cycleguy]

That's how Democracy falls. Very fast. It only takes a glitch, a hint of trouble, some doubt... And boom. Guns and ammunition fly off the shelves.

I fear you may be correct.

 

[WilliamG]

And for those worried about "the cost" of the equipment we left them... We were spending $3.6 billion every month there in 2018. Time to get the fuck out and fast.

 

[ConanTheBarber]

I know its really hard for you but... Im not talking about Trump here OK?

You were talking about Trump when you said "Talib said she was going to impeach the 'mother f**cker'" .... because SHE was talking about Trump. The whole paragraph was about Trump.

I simply set the record straight on the US congress and their support or lack of him.

More Trump ....
(I don't say you were only talking about Trump, but he was pretty central.)

Something is going on greater than party here

It's a culture war. Much greater than party.
And a culture war can be conducted in a responsible way.
But that's not what's happening in this culture war.
(We may have to just disagree about this.)

 

[ConanTheBarber]

Ease up with the name calling ...

If I call you a douche bag, that's name calling.
But if you call up images of a "pre planned exercise to bring down the country and ensure a few retain power when the dust settles," I can't think of how one cannot describe it as paranoid.
If you want to say I'm tactless to use the term, I won't give you much argument.

My point is pretty simple. The entire US military leadership, CIA, NSA intelligence agencies, Border patrol not to mention other branches of government have all of a sudden all at once come off the rails. I could see a random failure or breakdown but all at once.

How have they all come off the rails? It's fair to ask for a detailed account from you.

Im sorry but party politics aside anyone with any critical thinking skills should be starching their head.

My still-black hair is my sole victory against aging. I will not starch it.
This is obviously a difficult moment. But to see a kind of orchestrated, organized effort behind it is a bit self-indulgent, in my opinion.
Shit happens. Shit comes and goes. But projecting a nameless, unidentified, probably hooded collectivity behind it, seeking to "bring down the country and ensure a few retain power when the dust settles," is not helpful.
It's actually quite self-indulgent.

 

[Tight_End_SC]

20 years is enough! Not political in this post but bring our troops home. Those contractors who were making HUGE bucks wanted to stay behind but they did think there would be some type of protection for them. Russia, now the US, perhaps CHINA will be the next to fight them. At this point I have to focus on me and the crap going on here. I don't give a flying F about Afghanistan at this point.

BLUNT!

 

[phonehome]

And for those worried about "the cost" of the equipment we left them... We were spending $3.6 billion every month there in 2018. Time to get the fuck out and fast.

Not to mention the fact that then plan all along was to leave all that stuff there anyway, there and in Iraq as well, all that stuff we sent there, the Humvees, "up armored" or not, all those MRAP'd all those "duece & 1/2 type trucks all that stuff that we sent there for OUR use was either going to be given to the Iraq or Afghan government or just driven out into the desert and left to bake in the sun because supposedly it was "too expensive" and/or "not worth the trouble" to bring back here, to refurb/refit and places like Anniston and also if it was here it would "compete" with the need for buying newer versions of what ever it is which NOW DOD "wants' to buy because they say they "need" them

 

[Player_01]

Afghanistan War Unpopular Amid Chaotic Pullout: Poll | HuffPost

"Roughly two-thirds said they did not think America’s longest war was worth fighting, the poll shows."

Not that the way Biden did it is popular but overall "52% approve of Biden on national security."

 

[ConanTheBarber]

Afghanistan War Unpopular Amid Chaotic Pullout: Poll | HuffPost

"Roughly two-thirds said they did not think America’s longest war was worth fighting, the poll shows."

Not that the way Biden did it is popular but overall "52% approve of Biden on national security."

After the Vietnam pullout, Gerald Ford's popularity took a dip, but he had more than recovered a month later.
I don't know what will happen with Biden in this case.
We'll just have to see.

Did you know that even Abdul Ghani Baradar, a co-founder of the Taliban considered by some the most likely future leader of Afghanistan, has expressed surprise at the speed of the takeover?

I don't think the administration had nearly enough sense of urgency in processing the refugees. But why did Congress set up an unwieldly and time-consuming 14-step process?

No one's eye was on the ball.

There was no sense of consequence anywhere.

 

[phonehome]

After the Vietnam pullout, Gerald Ford's popularity took a dip, but he had more than recovered a month later.
I don't know what will happen with Biden in this case.
We'll just have to see.

Did you know that even Abdul Ghani Baradar, a co-founder of the Taliban considered by some the most likely future leader of Afghanistan, has expressed surprise at the speed of the takeover?

I don't think the administration had nearly enough sense of urgency in processing the refugees. But why did Congress set up an unwieldly and time-consuming 14-step process?

No one's eye was on the ball.

There was no sense of consequence anywhere.

Because the Tucker Carlson's of the world and all the other "great replacement" alarmists NEVER WANTED THEM ANYWAY !!

 

[b.c.]

Because the Tucker Carlson's of the world and all the other "great replacement" alarmists NEVER WANTED THEM ANYWAY !!

Exactly. And a few of them have actually SAID so, out loud.

I don't think the administration had nearly enough sense of urgency in processing the refugees. But why did Congress set up an unwieldly and time-consuming 14-step process?

No one's eye was on the ball.

There was no sense of consequence anywhere.

Lindsey Graham was on this evening's news being a HYPOCRITE as usual in his commentary about Afghan refugees.

So apparently the GOP plans on RABBIT HOLING their involvement in sabotaging the visa process, just like they've attempted to rabbit hole TRUMP'S actions that ultimately led to what is NOW unfolding:

Advocate for Afghan translators says Trump administration 'purposely destroyed' visa program

Ex-CIA analyst and Afghan vet says Stephen Miller is 'complicit' in the deaths of Afghan interpreters and 'should be held accountable for war crimes'

GOP Rep. Lauren Boebert slams Biden's Afghanistan withdrawal but voted against visas for Afghan partners last month

Last month, 16 Republicans voted against helping our allies in Afghanistan. Let’s name names
.

 

[ConanTheBarber]

Because the Tucker Carlson's of the world and all the other "great replacement" alarmists NEVER WANTED THEM ANYWAY !!

Well, that is certainly true.
Carlson had warned about the horrors of allowing Muslims, even ones that had risked their lives in service to American forces, into the country.
And Steve Cortes, who used to work for Trump and is now a host on Newsmax, tweeted that now-famous picture of hundreds of Afghan refugees on a huge American military cargo plane and asked: "Raise your hand if you want this plane landing in your town?"

I would hate to think that Biden was influenced by the political optics here, but who knows?

 

[ConanTheBarber]

So apparently the GOP plans on RABBIT HOLING their involvement in sabotaging the visa process, just like they've attempted to rabbit hole TRUMP'S actions that ultimately led to what is NOW unfolding.

In terms of hypocrisy, you think they've gone as low as they can — and then the bar always gets lower. And we are inured to it.

B.c., these articles are shockers. I knew there had to something like this, just hadn't come across it yet. There was no way the Trump administration was doing anything to take care of those little brown people who put their lives on the line to help American forces.

Everyone should read these pieces.

Here they are again, thanks to the indefatigable b.c.:

Advocate for Afghan translators says Trump administration 'purposely destroyed' visa program

Ex-CIA analyst and Afghan vet says Stephen Miller is 'complicit' in the deaths of Afghan interpreters and 'should be held accountable for war crimes'

Biden isn't smelling very good right now. He left too hastily. Though it would have been damn difficult, he could have done more to help those courageous Afghans who had earned the right to American support.
But he would have had to make up ground that the Trump administration deliberately gave up.
Those articles detail how the whole refugee process was slowed down, how no doubt thousands of potential and very deserving refugees lost their best hopes of living long and relatively carefree lives after risking everything in an American-led fight for democracy and modernity.
Above all else, the articles show the malevolence and the inhumanity of the little rat-shit Stephen Miller, a man who is the living embodiment of the lower, darker half of Trumpian ideals, a man whose own family has disowned him.

.

 

[b.c.]

In terms of hypocrisy, you think they've gone as low as they can — and then the bar always gets lower. And we are inured to it.

B.c., these articles are shockers. I knew there had to something like this, just hadn't come across it yet. There was no way the Trump administration was doing anything to take care of those little brown people who put their lives on the line to help American forces.

Everyone should read these pieces.

Here they are again, thanks to the indefatigable b.c.:

Biden isn't smelling very good right now. He left too hastily. Though it would have been damn difficult, he could have done more to help those courageous Afghans who had earned the right to American support.
But he would have had to make up ground that the Trump administration deliberately gave up.
Those articles detail how the whole refugee process was slowed down, how no doubt thousands of potential and very deserving refugees lost their best hopes of living long and relatively carefree lives after risking everything in an American-led fight for democracy and modernity.
Above all else, the articles show the malevolence and the inhumanity of the little rat-shit Stephen Miller, a man who is the living embodiment of the lower, darker half of Trumpian ideals, a man whose own family has disowned him..

The honor is mine, Conan.

And there are a number of other articles along similar lines, including one that ran in Huffpost (on Tuesday) in which national security adviser Jake Sullivan explained why Biden had little leeway with the peace agreement Trump signed with the Taliban in February 2020,

all hush-hush-like.

That's why many (including a number of political analysts, historians, observers, commentators et al) have, on numerous occasions, described the Trump administration, the present day GOP, and their cohorts, accomplices, and collaborators as a growing cancer in America.

Because while they create a lot of noise on one front, they continuously and INSIDIOUSLY work in the background, in a coordinated effort orchestrated via the supreme court's shadow docket, and by wealthy right wing financiers and the behind the scenes architects of right winged ideology and policy-making (i.e. those who I call the REAL "deep state")... all working toward a common end-game.

They - Trump, his GOP and their accomplices (and for all practical purposes, it IS STILL his GOP) just don't WANT US to know about it.

And they sure as HELL don't want us TALKING ABOUT IT.
.

 

[chicagosam]

Trump Attacks Biden For Afghanistan Chaos After Giving Taliban The Deal That Ensured It | HuffPost​

“As the Taliban continue to consolidate their grip over Afghanistan and begin dealing with the international community, they can do so with endorsements and praise from an American president.

No, not current President Joe Biden but his predecessor, Donald Trump ― the one who agreed to the “peace” deal so heavily skewed in favor of the terrorist group that it essentially assured its returned to power.”

Where have we seen this Trump self projection before?

 

[ActionBuddy]

Advocate for Afghan translators says Trump administration 'purposely destroyed' visa program
Ex-CIA analyst and Afghan vet says Stephen Miller is 'complicit' in the deaths of Afghan interpreters and 'should be held accountable for war crimes'
GOP Rep. Lauren Boebert slams Biden's Afghanistan withdrawal but voted against visas for Afghan partners last month
Last month, 16 Republicans voted against helping our allies in Afghanistan. Let’s name names.

May they all burn in Hell!

Dracarys!

A/B

 

[seventiesdemon]

The Afghan Taliban are not on the list of US Terrorist organisations. The reason being is that they are engaging in political discussions. The problem is because Afghanistan is made up of so many groups Afghanistan is a multiethnic and mostly tribal society. The population of the country consists of numerous ethnolinguistic groups: Pashtun, Tajik, Hazara, Uzbek, Aimaq, Turkmen, Baloch, Pashai, Nuristani, Gujjar, Arab, Brahui, Qizilbash, Pamiri, Kyrgyz, Sadat and others.

That it is in itself always a power struggle between tribes. The west does not, nor it will understand ancient tribes from one of the most ancient places on the planet.

The US had to deal with two sides in it's Civil struggle.

The Pakistan Taliban are the Terrorists. The fracture group.

The allies knew this before setting foot on their soil. We disrupt their evolution like we always have, with the introduction of capitalism, capitalism under the disguise of democracy. Every western government is guilty to allow this to persist.

We in the west have a hard enough time separating the two, look at the boards here. Disagreeing and being banned for mere words. We always, always take the totally wrong and disastrous approach to problems in other nations by trying to incite populations with our own beliefs, with no time to allow them to "catch up". Give them a taste, that is what it's always about. Cause dysfunction in society.

The US went in because Bin laden was being protected by the nation. No other reason. They were protecting a Terrorist. They fucked up, but is it any different than the US protecting Nazi scientists experimenting in eugenics which was the cause for sterilization of thousands of US citizens because they were thought to have offspring that would be classed as " Idiots". (Look it up) This went on to the late 60's, early seventies.

We are all to blame.They fucked up. Yet we as the west don't tolerate fuck ups by others. We wish to make them as perfect as we are, at light speed. We are far from perfect, we think we know better. Tell that to those who invaded the Capitol building. They were perfect, everyone else is not. Vice Versa.

The US and it's allies should have left in 2011 when Osama was found out, killed in Pakistan.

I agree with Womens rights........but they did not happen overnight in the west, did they?, it took a generation or more. Women there need support, it will change, rights will be abused, their struggle supported. Their heroes of the fight remembered like ours are, their oppressors remembered for who they are. They should be left at least to write some of their own history without our constant influence from all parties to constantly correct their rights and wrongs for them.


Yayyy Seventiesdemon for President hahahahahahhaaha

Slogan...Make America The United States Again

 

[Industrialsize]

Trump’s Deal With the Taliban Draws Fire From His Former Allies
The former president and his secretary of state, Mike Pompeo, are attacking President Biden over Afghanistan even as their own policy faces harsh criticism.

WASHINGTON — Days before the anniversary of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks two years ago, President Donald J. Trump had a novel idea. He would invite leaders of the Taliban, the group that harbored Osama bin Laden in Afghanistan as the founder of Al Qaeda plotted his strikes on America, to join peace negotiations at the Camp David presidential retreat in Maryland.

The notion of any presidential meeting with the Taliban, let alone one close to Sept. 11, stunned many of Mr. Trump’s top advisers. But Mr. Trump was eager to engage with the militant group, which the United States had been fighting for almost 20 years, as he pursued his goal of removing American troops from Afghanistan by the end of his term.

Months earlier, at Mr. Trump’s direction, the State Department had begun face-to-face talks with the Taliban in Qatar to negotiate an American exit. Mr. Trump called off the Taliban visit to Camp David after an American soldier was killed in a bombing in Kabul, the Afghan capital, but the peace talks continued.

They culminated in a February 2020 deal under which the United States agreed to withdraw in return for Taliban promises not to harbor terrorists and to engage in their first direct negotiations with the Afghan government. Mr. Trump’s secretary of state, Mike Pompeo, attended the signing ceremony in Doha and posed for a photo alongside the Taliban leader, Mullah Abdul Ghani Baradar, which resurfaced this week on social media. Mr. Baradar is widely expected to become the head of a new Taliban government based in Kabul.
Some former senior Trump officials now call that agreement fatally flawed, saying it did little more than provide cover for a pullout that Mr. Trump was impatient to begin before his re-election bid. They also say it laid the groundwork for the chaos unfolding now in Kabul.

“Our secretary of state signed a surrender agreement with the Taliban,” Mr. Trump’s second national security adviser, H.R. McMaster, said of Mr. Pompeo during a podcast interview with the journalist Bari Weiss on Wednesday. “This collapse goes back to the capitulation agreement of 2020. The Taliban didn’t defeat us. We defeated ourselves.”
Trump’s Deal With the Taliban Draws Fire From His Former Allies