Afro Cuban dissident Oscar Elias Biscet and Obama

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  1. Wyldgusechaz

    Wyldgusechaz New Member

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    From the WSJ: Does a black American President have the moral authority to question a white dictator ( Raul Castro) on his jailing of a black dissident?

    Obama did not. Was that correct IYO?
     
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    Since when does Raul Castro's government only have jurisdiction over whites in Cuba's multi-racial society?

    I'll leave the answering of the question: Does "a black" have the moral authority to question "a white" in moral terms to you. :cool:
     
  3. Wyldgusechaz

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    Congressional Black Caucus Urged to Visit Afro-Cuban Political Prisoners and Democracy Activists=

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    A March 2009 report by the University of Miami's Institute for Cuban and Cuban-American Studies revealed that Afro-Cubans represent over 60 percent of the island's population, but only 17% of the senior leadership of the Communist Party and 10% of the senior command of the Cuban Armed Forces. Afro-Cubans also represent 80% of Cuba's massive prison population.

    "If over half of Cuba's population is Afro-Cuban, that means human rights abuses in Cuba are by default racial issues, as the ruling cupola remains almost entirely white," said Henry Gomez, BUCL President. "The CBC should not stick to the program devised by their regime hosts of propaganda, beaches and monuments," suggested Gomez"""

    I guess US liberals only want to argue for equality for American blacks, which of course makes that discriminatory and racist. Cuts both ways.
     
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    First things first. We can get there, just not immediately. Besides, we're in no position to lecture given the percentage of black prisoners in America's penal system versus the percentage of population they represent. Glass houses and stones and all that.
     
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    From the rational thinking people: Did the WSJ have to make this an issue on race? The WSJ did not. Seems as if a right-leaning newspaper is just desperate for attention, and what better way to do it? They know their target audience, and they get them to bark like Pavlov's Dog every time.

    But since asking questions seem to be on trial now, I feel obliged to ask more of them before someone tries to pass legislation against thinking. :rolleyes:

    1. Does a president, regardless of his skin color, have an entitlement to his opinion and is allowed to voice it? Yes. It's called "freedom of speech", you hack. You know, the same thing you claim "libs" are trying to do away with? The same thing we had to deal with when Bush was in office for 8 years?

    2. What did a black man do to you to conjure all of this hate towards them? I'll let you answer this one, because nobody is just born with this kind of resentment.
     
  6. Wyldgusechaz

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    I don't hate black men and I like Obama. Questioning his policies is a fair game. I freely admit I am prejudiced againt black men being academically successful equal to whites and Asians. Thats not hatred. Its a judgement. Right or wrong. Stats say I am right, wishful thinking says I am wrong.


    Concerning the incarceration of blacks: Surely w/o doubt there is a racial bias and a poverty element to black men and their numbers in prison. But IMO there is also something else at play. I would be willing to bet a real pile of dough that blacks have suffered job loss well out of proportion to other races in the loss of manufacturing overseas. Due to my above belief, they are not able to compete for higher end *high tech* jobs so they make there way to low tech crime in order to survive. Why do they sell drugs and form gangs and commit crime? Because their old jobs on the assembly line are long long gone and they have not moved into jobs as electrical engineers and such.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Migration_(African_American)

    If black men do not seize the tool of education you can well expect the prison population to climb. We are simply warehousing men who cannot compete in the new high tech world.

    More data:

    Prison Population Exceeds Two Million &mdash; Infoplease.com

    Black incarceration has grown by 5 times in 20 years, directly correlating to the loss of manufacturing jobs as I postulated. A black man with a good job working the line at GM making $30/hr is not likely to steal or sell drugs. Racism is no where near as severe as it was 50 yeas ago but we have more black prisoners. It isn't racism entirely. Its also inability to compete in the new world.
     
  7. marleyisalegend

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    What does race have to do with this?:confused:
     
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    Isn't it ironic that your freely admitted prejudice against black men also has the ability to prevent you from realizing that you forgot an apostrophe in "that's", "it's" and that you misspelled "against"? I guess that's some of that self-imposed academic superiority you're supposed to have just based on your skin color, right? :rolleyes:

    You do realize that not only are you talking to someone that was a full time METCO student all through grade school, but also a computer nerd?

    The same reason why most poor people, regardless of skin color, also turns to selling drugs. They see it as a quick way to make lots of money when they are struggling to make ends meet for themselves or their family. Most people don't do it for the sport, for the joy of cheating the system, for laziness or any other pathetic piece of racial rhetoric you have tricked yourself into believing. Of course, someone whose dumb enough to try and claim academic superiority using a sentence with more spelling errors and grammar problems than a drug addict wouldn't realize that, now would they? :rolleyes:

    As if "assembly line jobs" are the only option for reasonable employment, and is the benchmark to base their knowledge. LOL! But go on WyldBigot... carry on with your ignorance.

    Trust me, honey... I probably know more info about your own computer, how to fix it, how to operate it, troubleshoot any application, piece of internal hardware or peripheral you use on it, and then flip it to create all of the literary, business-orientated, audio, video and multimedia projects I want to make my own money than you even know ways to masturbate to a Miss USA pageant contestant. And to add insult to injury, more than 85% of the things I know about computers was SELF TAUGHT. Of course, you'd probably not even think that because I was too poor to finish college, nor do I have a piece of paper from some overpriced college or trade school that says I do. :rolleyes:

    Please, embarrass yourself further... LOL!!

    Well, all bias and bullshit aside, you're now talking to someone that doesn't fit your scenario. When I freelanced, I made a LOT more than $30/hr. And even now, with the job market thinner than it was a decade ago, I make considerably less yet even I haven't turned to selling drugs. Perhaps the problem is really providing ANY kind of reasonable paying job to poor people so they can take care of themselves, instead of just providing one centralized job circulating around one trade? Ever thought of that?

    Of course not... Mr. "I'm Superior To Thou even though I don't use a spell check" WyldBigot. :rolleyes:
     
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  9. marleyisalegend

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    ^Don't you love how he thinks he can disguise his ignorance and lack of education with phrasing like "Due to my belief" and "correlating" and "postulated." Yes Miss Wyldgusechaz you better work that thesaurus.com! Two snaps girl!
     
  10. Wyldgusechaz

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    You two ain't getting it.

    Blacks are simply part of a larger problem, but we can surely include under educated whites and Latinos. Dissappearance of value added manufacturing. VAM fueled a higher living standard for even the less educated.

    But I know you two are neo rad wing nuts that love liberal education idealogy that cripples the hopes of poor but motivated parents everywhere.
     
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    You all realize, of course, that Guzchaz lives in a 30 year-old Fleetwood single-wide that his trailer court manager has been trying to have condemned for the last 5 years because it fails too many CODE violations and is not in accordance with the CCR's of the trailer court. However, it is true that he is color blind. He doesn't realize that his own white neighbors are cooking crystal meth in the little aluminum storage sheds attached to their trailers' carports. And he's so accustomed to fucking crack whores, he can't tell the difference between them or the malnourished 15 year-old sexually abused child being pimped out by her father in the double-wide across the street.

    That's why he's so smart.
     
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  12. marleyisalegend

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    LOL at a racist talking about education. You're very good at the dramatics but nothing you say has an ounce of substance. I oughta print out this page and wipe my ass with your posts.:tongue:

    By the way, you're pretty fucking self-righteous for somebody with a profile on a big dick site. Shouldn't you be on The OReilly Factor with Bill's nuts halfway down your throat?
     
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    Here's the flaw in your obviously flawed logic...
    Even if you took all of the black men out of the picture, shipped them all back to Africa and made America a "black free zone", you'd still have a MAJOR problem with uneducated people. Another "race" essentially takes the reigns of being the worse, which would force ignorant bigots like you to shift your biases towards the next culprit. And so on, and so on until it gets to your own. Which of course, you'd adamantly deny because you have it set in your mind that you are superior.

    If you had any sense, you'd realize that you can't blame one race as the "larger" problem. The lack of education among American affects people across the board. And BTW, you're a clear example of that. By adopting your screwed up logic, you exonerate every other Latino, Asian, White or any other race who is in the same boat. This has nothing to do with being liberal, or whatever pigeon-holing social term you want to call me today. Keep in mind, I've yet to mention anything about Democrat or Republican on this thread. I'm making this solely about you because it's YOU who is adopting this insanely, socially ignorant stance.

    Trust me, little boy... you're not on my league in this debate so just shut up before you make even more enemies and eliminate any scarce possibility of ever finding a quality, sensible woman on this forum to fuck you. On a more positive note, however, I'm glad that you decided to use spell check this time. At least now, we can put you on a middle-school debate level. :rolleyes:
     
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  14. midlifebear

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    Middle school? Maybe. But it's obvious he's been held back to repeat K6. Don't start handing out any gold stars and creating unwarranted grade inflation.
     
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    I'd like to remind WildGusChaz that everything he says about African-Americans, my great-grandparents said about the Italians, the Spanish, the Irish and the Polish.

    We all know how that thinking has changed. No one today, short of the KKK, would suggest that Italians were non-white.
     
  16. D_Tully Tunnelrat

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    I completely fail to see why race is of any issue in this question. Political dissent is based on politics, not race. Since Cuba is a mestizo culture, race is bound to be less of an issue there, than it, unfortunately, still is here.

    Any freely elected leader has the right to question another on the topic of political dissidents. Since R. Castro is appointed, rather than elected, he does not directly bear the responsibility for any dissident's incarceration. Judging from Fidel's rebuke to Raul's "anything and everything" is on the table for discussion with the US, unfortunately Raul does not seem to have the authority to free any dissident, or do anything of significance.
     
  17. dreamer20

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    ^^What he, et al, said. This is not an issue of race.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36774641/ns/world_news-americas/



    I think WSJ was an abbreviation for the Wyldgusechaz Imaginary Journal as no such WSJ article exists for his OP.
     
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