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How long did she go along with it until she realised?

A couple months?

What was the reason that it finally clicked?

My wife and I yelling at her about it. It was clearly a scam, but she was lonely after a divorce and wanted to fall for the lie (of a charming architect living in England who found her facebook photo so stunning that he had to get in touch with her to chat and eventually needed some financial help to get his affairs in order so that he could travel the Atlantic to be with her).

It took a few grand out of her pockets before she'd listen to our insistence that it was a fake guy ripping her off.
 
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A couple months?

My wife and I yelling at her about it. It was clearly a scam, but she was lonely after a divorce and wanted to fall for the lie (of a charming architect living in England who found her facebook photo so stunning that he had to get in touch with her to chat and eventually needed some financial help to get his affairs in order so that he could travel the Atlantic to be with her).

It took a few grand out of her pockets before she'd listen to our insistence that it was a fake guy ripping her off.
I'm sorry to hear. Yes, clearly they go for the vulnerable. At least she listened to you in the end.

I've been catfished a couple of times (never to the point where I've been asked for, or given, money though). So I do understand how easy it is to fall into the trap. But after a couple of months there's a point where you realise (and finally force yourself to believe) that their excuses are just lies.

My apathy only really extends to those who let it go on for years and pretty much let themselves go bankrupt, despite their family telling them over and over again it's a scam.
 

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Yeah, people underestimate the power of loneliness (the impact it has on people's life and how it can drive so many people into such destructive situations trying to avoid it :()
Yeah you're right... so I probably can't judge too much.
 
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I found a profile on one of those websites of a girl that didn't want to scam anyone but she was honestly asking for some guy to give her lots of money, buy her expensive things etc. Her wording was something like, "I'm looking for a very sugary relationship... we can reach an understanding that can be beneficial for both of us...". I was both disgusted and impressed by her honesty.
 
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I found a profile on one of those websites of a girl that didn't want to scam anyone but she was honestly asking for some guy to give her lots of money, buy her expensive things etc. Her wording was something like, "I'm looking for a very sugary relationship... we can reach an understanding that can be beneficial for both of us...". I was both disgusted and impressed by her honesty.

There are several sugar baby and sugar daddy websites, so that level of honesty is becoming more common.
 
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I found a profile on one of those websites of a girl that didn't want to scam anyone but she was honestly asking for some guy to give her lots of money, buy her expensive things etc. Her wording was something like, "I'm looking for a very sugary relationship... we can reach an understanding that can be beneficial for both of us...". I was both disgusted and impressed by her honesty.
Men are usually even more honest. I always feel disgusted when they try to tell me about their well paid job or their car. There is never anything subtle about it, and it's a no as soon as they try to motivate me in this way.
 

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Men are usually even more honest. I always feel disgusted when they try to tell me about their well paid job or their car. There is never anything subtle about it, and it's a no as soon as they try to motivate me in this way.
Why does that disgust you?
From a male point of view, all he's trying to do is sell his skills and show what a good provider he could be. If he's successful, that's probably where he focuses most of his energy and it is an important part of his life that he wants to share.
Would there be a less disgusting way to share that information?
 

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I found a profile on one of those websites of a girl that didn't want to scam anyone but she was honestly asking for some guy to give her lots of money, buy her expensive things etc. Her wording was something like, "I'm looking for a very sugary relationship... we can reach an understanding that can be beneficial for both of us...". I was both disgusted and impressed by her honesty.
I've been hit up by a number of men on "normal" dating sites saying they are looking for a sugar baby. Up until about a year ago I had no idea what this was haha... I knew the general gist, but not the specifics. But no thanks.
 
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Why does that disgust you?
From a male point of view, all he's trying to do is sell his skills and show what a good provider he could be. If he's successful, that's probably where he focuses most of his energy and it is an important part of his life that he wants to share.
Would there be a less disgusting way to share that information?
For me, it screams arrogance. I prefer modesty and someone who's not driven primarily by superficial things or status... these guys seem to heavily rely on both.

It's also just rude to talk about such things.... I can't stand when ppl ask me how much money I earn. It's no ones business.

Also a lot of those guys then turn around and complain about gold diggers. But you reap what you see.
 
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Why does that disgust you?
From a male point of view, all he's trying to do is sell his skills and show what a good provider he could be. If he's successful, that's probably where he focuses most of his energy and it is an important part of his life that he wants to share.
Would there be a less disgusting way to share that information?

You weren't asking me, but I thought I would add my input as a female. If someone, male or female that I went on dates with or was seeing made a point of bringing up how well paid they are, or their fancy car, it would seem arrogant (unless they're a straight up gearhead and just love cars). I would potentially feel like someone thought I could be bought/that they were trying to buy me. Not an attractive thing to me in any way.

People being stable, having their shit together? Fantastic. Bragging, or implying I can be bought, or that they think I (or my gender) are gold diggers? Bleh. I do realize that having a good income does have bearing, especially since you want children, and having a family isn't exactly cheap. But, at the same time, if someone brought up kids on a first date, I would have run for the hills. I have seen wanting children touched on lightly on people's profiles I've seen, which was more than adequate.
 
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You can touch on having a stable life situation, or talk about career goals, love of your job, etc... But there is a clear differentiation between that and the braggadocios twats who make a point of mentioning their income/numbers, typically when it is in zero ways relevant.
 

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I've been on this site long enough to see that women are equally turned off by guys boasting about their monster cocks, many women seem to prefer discovering by themselves. Is it the same reasoning? You prefer nice surprises?
 
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I've been on this site long enough to see that women are equally turned off by guys boasting about their monster cocks, many women seem to prefer discovering by themselves. Is it the same reasoning? You prefer nice surprises?

For me, beyond knowing someone is at least mostly stable and a functional/responsible adult for the things where people need to be responsible... I don't need to know the number breakdown of your income. Not until we're actually a couple does it even start to have any relevance. It's not any of my business, and my income isn't any of their business.

It just comes off as someone trying to buy my affection, and while I may have done cam sex work in the past, I have never been an escort. They can go elsewhere if that's what they want. Plus, there are (as you have found) plenty of women out there who want a sugar whatever.

Personal experience example, I knew my partner did well. I knew he was into firearms and sports cars as hobbies, which I knew were not inexpensive. Beyond that, it wasn't something I thought about too much. I literally just today learned the actual value of one of his cars, with all the aftermarket parts/work done to it. We've been together over three years, and I've known him for about seven. It just wasn't something that came up, and he isn't the sort of person to brag.

In the best light, talking about how much money you make, or how much your car cost strikes me as inelegant. In the worst, someone is trying to buy me, arrogant, or desperate.
 

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I saw this guy on tinder who said something like this on his profile "I have a house, an expensive car and earn over $300k a year. It's not arrogance, it's confidence". No honey, that's definitely arrogance.

I think it also comes down to a guys insecurity where he is so unsure of himself that he thinks his best quality is his money. And tries to buy you, like fade said. I'm not interested in that. I don't want someone thinking that I constantly owe them something either because they are always buying me things to prove how much money they earn.
 

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Here I am showing my age,
Have you tried singles groups at churches, activity clubs and food clubs? Friend of a friend, many women in their late 20s mid 30s have already had a mulligan marriage and are asking their friends for friends.
 
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Why does that disgust you?
From a male point of view, all he's trying to do is sell his skills and show what a good provider he could be. If he's successful, that's probably where he focuses most of his energy and it is an important part of his life that he wants to share.
Would there be a less disgusting way to share that information?
Pretty much this:
I would potentially feel like someone thought I could be bought/that they were trying to buy me. Not an attractive thing to me in any way.
It really does make life difficult because most people are better off financially than I am :D. Another factor is that the power balance would make me feel very uncomfortable. It would be a huge obstacle to having a true partnership and a proper relationship if I felt that my contribution was basically sex and making sammiches. Men have even tried to install me in appropriate employment to counter this, but that seems even worse, and would really undermine my sense of femininity and hurt my pride.
 

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Here I am showing my age,
Have you tried singles groups at churches, activity clubs and food clubs? Friend of a friend, many women in their late 20s mid 30s have already had a mulligan marriage and are asking their friends for friends.
I have joined some groups on Meetup.com but haven't been to any meetings yet :p
You're right, it's a great way to meet new people and will probably increase my chances of overcoming the age issue because physically, I look 10 years younger than my actual age.

I was thinking that since I've already payed for 3 months on that dating website, I'll just use it to practise my seduction techniques, treat it like a game and see what happens.
 

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I was thinking that since I've already payed for 3 months on that dating website, I'll just use it to practise my seduction techniques, treat it like a game and see what happens.
You should probably just be yourself as opposed to trying out "seduction techniques". Same goes for playing games... if you genuinely want to meet someone I don't understand why you would treat it like a game. That just puts you in the same category as 98% of the other douches on dating sites that I wouldn't waste my time on.
 

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Funny you should mention that, I was checking out Anastasiadate.com and Eurodate.com during the last few days. You are bombarded with babe after babe who want's you. I left the sites after reading the reviews, they are basically milking desperate men out of as much cash as possible. There are some real single girls on the sites to make them seem legit but there is also an army of people and translators who are tasked with making you stay chatting as long as possible - you have to buy credits which equal a certain amount of time to communicate. Some guys ended up traveling to Ukraine and the girls they'd been chatting to for months at great cost were nowhere to be seen.
Eastern Europeans are the most beautiful women on the planet in my opinion and they are open to hooking up with a much older man if he can help her leave Ukraine or whatever country she's from. The guys there drink way too much and many die young from car accidents etc. There are more women than men in some areas so there are genuine girls looking abroad for happiness.
I joined the Russian Facebook - VK.com where you can contact girls directly. There is also a free dating site: http://russian-personals.com/ where the small ads look more authentic however you have to be aware that there will probably be scammers.

The problem with such girls is the permanent doubt that above all, they just want to escape life in their country and maybe you're just a useful idiot. Then again it might work out fine and I'd have a stunning girlfriend, with grade A ovum :p, who loves me.

Brother, the choice is yours. Most of the repsonders to your post have limited knowledge of the situation. I spent five years working in the former Soviet Union (Russia, Kazakhstan, Ukraine) and visited Ukraine many times. Even when it is completely legitimate, it is expensive- flight, hotel, dates, gifts, and often a translator. The best thing to do, if you chose a Ukrainian site, is to go slow, write to several girls (letters are cheaper than chat), and narrow down your options.
Take your TIME. You say you are 45 and you think you are old? You might be 50 before you father any kids. Don't say you cannot afford to wait, because this means you are desperate and will take any girl who will have your baby. Yes, you can be a dad at 50. It is really OK. I am 61. Relax, buddy, you ain't old. Yes, on-line ANYWHERE it is difficult to assess sincerity, not just in Ukraine.
Regarding standard of living in eastern Europe, yes Poland and Hungary are not bad, but Ukraine is in desperate straits. There is a small war in the eastern provinces. If you go, however, I strongly recommend Ukraine (no war in Kiev, Odessa, Lviv, Nikolaev and many other cities). Do NOT expect to make this process last only 3-6 months. It can take years, unless you are independently wealthy and can fly there every month.
I have a smashingly gorgeous girlfriend, who speaks English, has her own career, and has traveled internationally. Yes, MOST women seek some level of financial security from a man. So? Most men seek sex from a woman. Simple reality. If you can find a girl who loves you for YOU, and who enjoys sex with you, then you have a gem. I have my gem. She has solid character and a sharp mind, is beautiful, has a 34DD natural bust and a 24 inch waist, and she likes me for me . It took years and many hard lessons and many trips. When I worked in the Eastern Hemisphere it was much easier to travel there, so not quite so bad for me. For an American, it is quite a hike to travel there. Good luck.
 
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