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I've been following this thread and have seen a number of opinions about the situation described. However, there's only one opinion that really matters. That of the 16 year old. If he felt comfortable enough to accompany his father into the steam room and then that's his descision to make. Even though it was a non-sexual situation a 16 year old has enough brains to know what he wants to see or doesn't. Society places so much emphasis on the physical age of 18 as the "legal" age for things such as seeing nude images, or engaging in sexual activity, but let's face it I'm betting that 99% of the guys here were looking at "dirty" magazines or net porn etc. long before they turned 18, and at least 25% probably more like 50% had engaged in some sort of sexual activity with another when they were still under 18, and none of them, myself included have had any negative results from those experiences. Don't judge the young man, his father, or the gym unless you were that 16 year old once and had a severe traumatic experience from it. Oh and about opinions, they're a lot like @$$holes, everyone has one, and they all stink.
 

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Guy@naPrince said:
I'm not taking it personally at all, really. You're pissed at str8 people, pissed at America and taking all of your frustration out on me. It's payback time for Stronzo, and I'm in the crossfire. Why would I take that personally?

I'm 'pissed off' at stupid people only. If that happens to describe a goodly portion of those affecting public policy in this land just now that sentiment is certainly not without good foundation. Why do you see yourself as some 'crossfire' victim in this? Don't. Just learn from the exchanges here on this board.

Relax and let go of pre-conceptions imposed on your psyche (largely without your knowledge or permission I might add) and you'll see the world in varying shades of perception.

It's tremenoudly helpful to the effort toward peace. I've seen people conciously choose to remove the yoke (impositions?) of the past and watched the catharsis that follows in turn. It's a joy to watch.

Judging from the conviction of your post, I've no doubt you would do something, if you saw some kid being fondled, molested or abused; of course, you would. You would not stand idly by and watch this.

If I saw some guy with his hand up some screaming child's skirt or some woman with her hand down some playground chap's knickers would I "have at him"? Of course I would.

But rather than being "all about child abuse" I'm more "all about human abuse" if you get my meaning.

Plus I'm a scrappy fag.

Beyond that I'd encourage you to read up on Baron von Gloeden. His life had depth and purpose and he was an aesthete of a very unique order. Much can be learned from those who follow that "road less travelled".

rayray?

Someone hand me my specs. I think I'm seeing the light.....:rolleyes: clever aren't you?:tongue:

Chuck216 said:
I've been following this thread and have seen a number of opinions about the situation described. However, there's only one opinion that really matters. That of the 16 year old. If he felt comfortable enough to accompany his father into the steam room and then that's his descision to make. Even though it was a non-sexual situation a 16 year old has enough brains to know what he wants to see or doesn't. Society places so much emphasis on the physical age of 18 as the "legal" age for things such as seeing nude images, or engaging in sexual activity, but let's face it I'm betting that 99% of the guys here were looking at "dirty" magazines or net porn etc. long before they turned 18, and at least 25% probably more like 50% had engaged in some sort of sexual activity with another when they were still under 18, and none of them, myself included have had any negative results from those experiences. Don't judge the young man, his father, or the gym unless you were that 16 year old once and had a severe traumatic experience from it.

Precisely what "Chuck" said up ^ there. Yup.
 

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It's odd how society contradicts itself over and over, it conciders the natural nudity of young people to be taboo, I'm not talking sexual porn just things such as teens showering or being in saunas etc as taboos. Yet what is concidered the greatest work of art in the world the "Statue of David" by DaVinci used a 15 year old boy as it's Model.

Or take this into concideration. About the "pawing" issue. What if the situation was reverse what would you do if you saw say a 15 or 16 year old teen with his hands all over a 21 or 22 year old young man? Things are a matter of perception.
 

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There is no reason to ban minors from gyms: there is (or should not be) any sexual situation there. Regarding showing off, i like showing what i have in locker rooms, and obviously i avoid to do it when there are kids or boys around. The purpose of locker rooms is not showing off, so i we have to comply with situations when showing off is not morally/legally acceptable.
 

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i dont see any harm being done.. RELAX. It only makes the lil dude more comfortable with himself and sexuality perhaps. If you lock him away from ever seeing other dick or a side of sexuality then later in life he may have an issue that he normally wouldn't have. Plus you said it. PRUDE :)
 

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I go to a gym were the majority of patrons are men. I dont really think that there is any one that does not sauna or walk around naked. Well lately I have gone and this man is there playing raquet ball with his son. When I walk in to the sauna there are like two other guys pretty hung nude in the sauna...and then there is me...after a while the dad comes in with the son...the son cant be over 16. Am I a prude but I dont think that you should bring your kids unless they are 18. I feel like bringing it up to owner of the gym since we are friends but really dont wanna cause drama at the place that I go to relax and unwind. What do you all think. Oh and I better mention ..the kid is never exposed himself.

If a gym allows anyone in under 18, they're going to be nude at various times. Shower. Changeroom. Sauna. There's nothing sexual about it.

I think you might be being a bit of a prude.

The boy's father is wise to expose his son to casual male nakedness, regardless of the boy's age. There is nothing for anyone to be ashamed of in the natural circumstances you describe. Good for dad. Better for son, who will have fewer hangups.

It would be different if there were open cruising going on or overt sexual acts being performed.
I would listen to the 2 guys above and another thing is that you say the young boy is covered himself, so there's no concern about pervs getting their kicks off of his nudity, therefore no problem.

I wonder if he will ever make a decision, he doesn't post after making his OP in this or that thread.
So what we have here is repeating topic syndrome.
 

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You HAVE to be american - only in the USA people have so much problems dealing with teenagers nudity ;)

Of course there is NOTHING wrong about the dad bringing his 15-16 yo son to the sauna!! And I don´t understand why you can consider it a problem....ONLY IN AMERICA LOOOOOOOOOOOL
 

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I really don't understand where the problem is. There was no sex, just casual nakedness. I was 13 when I first went into a sauna in the gym, and well I was not traumatised by that ... There is nothing wrong about young childeren being naked with adults, as long as there is no sex involved. You Americans should really stop to freak out about that. I go to naturist beaches and see childeren from all ages, from 1 to 18 years old. And guess what, I do not get horny from that. I just think, nice that everybody can enjoy the freedom of being naked. Really no reason to freak out...