Ageing and sexual decline - be prepared...(part 1)

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    2hands+: Ageing and sexual decline - be prepared...(part 1)

    The way it was:

    Shortly after my 48th birthday in 2000 I began to experience the most fantastic nighttime erections. They were exceptionally hard, like nothing I could remember from before (and I always had plenty of nighttime erections), and seemed to last for ever. These erections were an invitation to masturbate, even in the middle of the night!

    At the same time sex with my wife seemed to be pretty normal and not greatly altered over the years. Sex was basically once or twice a week, and was virtually always initiated by me on waking with an erection. Actually I would normally wake with an erection many more times than we would have sex. Most times I would just nuzzle up to my wife´s back as she lay on her side beside me, and lay my hard penis up against her backside.

    On the days when we had sex I only had to reach my arm over my wife´s body and put my hand on her breasts and I my body would suddenly "shiver" in anticipation of the sex to come. The reaction was strong and immediate and my erection was almost always immediatey ready for action.

    Away from the bedroom my sexuality seemed as alive and well as at any time in the previous 35 or so years. Spontaneous partial erections were a constant part of my life. They could occur at any time, but some of their favorite times were while lying naked on the bad as my wife wandered around the room getting dressed; on getting up; on walking to the breakfast table; while driving; on arriving somewhere after a long drive; driving home after a night at the cinema; while sitting at my desk at work; on waking up after having dozed off in front of the TV; on trying on clothes in the changing cublicle of a shop; on walking to the bedroom at night; on undressing to go to bed, indeed it was very common for me to lie down to sleep with a partial erection. Sometimes these partial erections graduated to full erections, even inconveniently, if pleasurably, in places and at moments when I had to take action to disguise them.

    Basically I was a very sexual person, with strong responses to those things which turned me on sexually, such as large breasts (in a small bikini...or anything else for that matter); some sex scene on TV; a woman breast-feeding (ladies forgive me); women whom I found attractive. Usually my response to this kind of situation would not be a full-blown erection, but rather a happy swelling of the penis acompanied by a powerful set of other bodily reactions such as speeding heart, sweating, general excitement. In general even if it wasn´t really erect or even partially erect my penis always seemed to have a life of its own, expanding and contracting constantly during the day.

    The collapse:

    This was the state of my sex life until just over 3 years ago. I had no idea that those super nighttime erections were in fact the forerunners of what has aparently proved to be a catastrophic collapse in my sexual response system. This collapse began at the start of September 2000 and by February 2001 I would say my sexual responses had reduced to 20% of the level of 6 months before. Today I would say the level has reduced to 10 or 5% of that level.

    The super nighttime erections continued erratically until the last one just before Christmas 2000. I remember the exact time and place where it occurred. I had them for a period of about 6 months in total.

    The last spontaneous near-full erection occurred in the deserted bathroom of an isolated petrol station around midday on the third day of a six day cross-country drive. I remember that moment vividly. My sex life would never be the same again.

    Today I no longer have spontaneous erections of any kind, anywhere, at any time. These finally disapeared about a year ago.

    That "shiver" in anticipation of sex has disappeared too.

    Nighttime erections have also virtually ceased, or if they occur at all are extremely weak.

    My sexual responses (in any shape or form) are now virtually zero. None of the things which produced spontaneous responses in me 3 years ago produces any kind of effect today.

    The most marked feature of this whole process (other that the super nighttime erections, which were really quite extraordinary), was its erratic nature. In fact the super nighttime erections were probably part of this. I have often described what happened as being as if my whole sexual response mechanism became destabilized and began to oscillate erratically both above (the super erections) and below (a virtually total sexual/penile switch off of some three weeks which occurred at the start of September 2000) the original stable normal position. Although there were moments after the start of this process when it almost seemed that things had returned to normal, I can now, after 3 years, say that the overall trend has been steadily, and relentlessly, downward.

    Health and lifestyle:

    By now many of you must be imagining that I am a physical basket case, overweight, with high blood pressure, heart problems, diabetes, taking no exercise, and eating tons of junk food, or that I had been operated for prostate surgery, or am living on some sex-killing drug.

    The sad truth is that today I am in excellent health, with almost perfect weight for my height, normal blood pressure, no known-of heart problems, non-diabetic, take morning walks of 4 to 5 kms. almost every day, and have always eaten a near-perfect diet partly thanks to my wife´s dedication on this matter, but also partially due to a natural preference for a low salt, high fruit, vegetable, and fibre diet. Although I don´t eat much meat I am by no means a vegetarian. Meat for me though is mostly fish and chicken.

    When this whole process started I had regularly enjoyed a couple of glasses of wine almost every night for years, would normally drink several tins of beer at the weekend, was slightly heavier than I am now (though I still use the same trousers), and took little exercise, but felt generally fit and little different from years before.

    (continued in part 2)
     
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    2hands+: Ageing and sexual decline - be prepared...(part 2)

    My responses to the collapse:

    My immediate response to my sexual collapse was to drastically reduce my alcohol intake, and start taking regular exercise. These things helped me reduce weight and get in form. Today I can say that to look at me you would probably have no idea that I was as sexually declined as I am. My sexual response level does not fit with the rest of my body (except with the head of gray hair which seems to have been the main colateral consequence of this process of collapse).

    Neither cutting out the alcohol or the exercise, benificial though they probably were, appear to have had the slightest impact on the process of sexual decline. Indeed none of the innumerable small changes we have made in our lives has had the remotest effect. The downhill slide continues steadily on its way.

    What you might ask was my response to all this. Well, the first response was profound shock. This was followed by a deep sense of sadness. This was a turning point in my life for which I was not remotely prepared. I knew vaguely that sexuality declined with age, but simply expected that the very slow decline which had occurred up to 48 years of age would continue at about the same rate.
    Nothing prepared me for the collapse. When it came it was almost instantaneous. It could happen to any one of you tomorrow or next week. Maybe for you it wont´t be so sudden. I hope not.

    One of the most enduring responses was a sensation which I can only describe as being like what I imagine it must be like to suffer an amputation. In all those endless situations in which my body used to respond sexually in some way or other there was suddenly nothing. A kind of physical memory profoundly expected something to happen. Each and every time this happened I was jolted back to my new reality. This sense of physical loss lasted about 2 years. Today that physical memory of what my sexual responses used to be is now almost completely deleted.

    Today I am just a perfectly healthy, otherwise fully functioning guy, with no sexual responses. Nothing else (apart from my hair (and my teeth!)) seem to have aged much at all. Physically I am as fit as 10 or 15 years ago, I don´t use glasses, my skin is excellent, and my thought processes and memory seem just as they have always been.

    The medical industry:

    After the initial 3 week "shutdown" I went running to an urologist. As fast as I said the word erection he said Viagra. That basically sums up the medical industry´s contribution to the situation. The doctors are either not interested, very uncomfortable, ignorant and ill-informed, or simply repeat what they have been told in endless Pfizer seminars. They order up a barrage of tests for Testosterone, Prolactin, Diabetes, prostate problems etc. and prescribe Viagra.

    The last thing they want to hear about are any details of your specific case.

    All my tests proved to be within expected ranges except for the Prolactin which at the start was slightly outside the range, but soon returned to normal. The Viagra gave me an erection, but nothing gave me back my sexuality. A Viagra erection is a very strange thing if your body is not natually primed for sex. It works at times, but is seems a bit like having sex with a dildo, as if your erection is not really part of you. There is much more to sex than an erection. What I miss most now is not the erection itself, but rather the desire for sex which comes before the erection and makes the erection grow from within. That erection which comes with force from within and which won´t stop coming is what I really miss. It went away so fast.

    Time to come out of the closet:

    All I had ever read about this subject, before I became initimately affected by it, were coded comments about how, after a certain age the sexual relationship becomes less physical and more one of companionship. Or some vague stories about a couple in their 50s who separated when the husband could no longer "accompany" his wife as she enjoyed a sort of sexual boost around the time of the menopause. All very coded. Nothing specifically telling it as it is. Why on earth, at the start of the 21st century, can we not tell the truth, and talk openly, about the sexual decline which can devastate the life of a man in his late 40s or early 50s. This is not a sexual disease, or a sexual problem, it is a SEXUAL FACT OF LIFE. On the basis of this I would like to suggest that the moderators of LPSG think about the creation of a new major section for the site, which clearly separates real sexual problems and diseases, and the occasional impotence of early adulthood, from the problems of dealing with the inevitable decline in sexuality which comes with age. These two things are so different. The first is probably temporary, in that it probably has a specific cause, and possibly a cure. The other is a change of life in the same very real sense that the menopause is a change of life. I suggest the name for the new section could be "Aging and Sexual Decline".

    Like others I have decided to post here because I find it is a forum in which ANYTHING can be said. No subject is taboo. That is very healthy. We must talk openly about sexual decline so that future generations can learn from our experiences and prepare themselves better for this moment.

    Recommendations:

    Cut down drastically on your alcohol intake as soon as you can. Alcohol is the only thing which I may have consumed in excess. If alcohol was responsible for my accelerated sexual aging then it is almost criminal that the warnings that go with cigarettes are not also associated with alcohol.

    Incorporate regular exercise into your life style. This was the major thing which I did not do in excess, when maybe I should have.

    Other than these two things I have no idea why I should have aged sexually so much sooner that others. The only thing I can think of is that perhaps nobody is telling it like it is, and that many, many, others are in the same situation as myself, but because of the pressures of society they go on pretending that they have not suffered any kind of change. Like I said before, you can´t tell the level of a person´s sexual responses just by looking at them. Maybe millions of guys are just acting as if nothing has changed because that is what society expects.

    Lets talk about this...

    One last thing:

    Measure your testosterone and prolactin etc. now, while things are working normally. These will serve as a reference in the future and help eliminate certain causes of any future problems in this area.
     
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    wvalady1968: Okay, first, during the medical part of your story, you stated that your tests came back "normal" or something to that effect.

    Did you have the assay done for Testosterone or for Free Testosterone? The Free, or unbound, test. is the form that readily enters cells and does its job. It's possible to have normal levels of Total Test. and low levels of the Free form. This could cause the decline you describe.

    Second, see an endocrinologist. Please. This is not normal. My parents are in their late 50s and are still having sex about every other night, according to Mom.

    Sure, a family physician is gonna throw Viagra at you automatically. See a specialist. You deserve another chance or three.

    Wishing you luck!
    Allie
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    2hands+: Thanks for the positive response Allie/wvalady1968, but i´m afraid we have exhausted just about every avenue possible.

    My results from several exams between 2000 and 2002 are as follows:

    Total Testosterone
    Pg/ml
    Result range
    3054 2410->8270
    6230 2500->9500
    4440 2410->8270
    3760 2500->9500

    Free Testosterone
    Pg/ml
    Result Range
    21,90 15->40
    20,45 7,2->23
    14,90 11->50

    We´ve seen endocrinologists, neurologists, urologists, sexologists, you name it. I´ve had ultra-sound to check the blood supply to my penis, a brain scan, and even a lumbar puncture to examine my spinal fluid. None of these exams revealed anything wrong. Added to this my wife and I spent 1 year meeting with a relationship/sex therapist. This cleaned up some ragged edges in our relationship, but in the end just served to drag out the agony. Sex was a very important part of our relationship and its near total absence is like a huge weight over us. We continue with our lives together but, at a moment when we otherwise have everything to enjoy life together, we cannot crown it with the healthy sex we used to have.

    Once in a blue moon, and usually when we are away from home, I manage to produce an erection from somewhere, and we manage to have sex. These moments are months apart however. In a way I see these moments as a kind of continuation of the erratic decline I referred to in my original post. These moments, weak as they are, are now the highest points of my sexual response. They work because we are as relaxed as possible and in a conducive environment. Basically they are moments when I am able to maximise the minimal sexual response that remains to me.

    My problem really does not seem to be fundamentally one of having erections. I don´t have them, not because I can´t, but rather because my body doesn´t want to. On those moments when there is this erratic peak, the erection still does appear, can be almost as hard as normal, and last almost as long as normal. Aside from such moments my sexual response mechanism really does seem to have been almost literally switched off. Today the situations which might have stimulated some sort of response in the past trigger, at the very most, a faded glimmer of a response, that rapidly disappears. So different from 3 or 4 years ago.

    I guess everyone is different, and not everyone has the luck to have a long sex life. Somewhere in the life I have lived up to now, or in my genes, must lie the answer to my particular conundrum. The problem is that modern medicine is not really as all knowing as its practitioners would have us believe. Sex still seems to be a sort of black box. No-one really seems to understand how it works or what affects it.

    Thanks for your comments, anyway. It would be great if someone could help, but my intention was really to provide a warning to others that they should never take their sex life for granted. It is much more fragile than they might imagine.

    C
     
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    wvalady1968: WOW. That sounds like you've done a pretty thorough job of investigating. And it's great that you're trying to spread the word; it really is.

    I'm a firm believer in the great advances being made in all scentific fields, and I hope you keep looking. And I hope you find the person out there who's discovered how to help you.

    Don't stop looking, okay?

    Allie
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    2hands+: I received the following message from jumbo747jet, and decided to quote it here as he raises a question which I didn´t cover in my original posts.

    The answer is yes. Something did change in the year before the start of the collapse. But it was, apparently, a positive thing. That year saw the final successful completion of a major academic project that my wife had been working on, off and on, for nearly 10 years, and in which I had been intimately involved during the last 2 years or so. This took a huge load off our lives.

    This project had generated a great deal of general stress, and a good deal of inter-personal friction between us. At no time, however, even in the most highly stressed moments was our sex life affected. In fact it was the relief valve for our relationship.

    Removing this weight from our lives should have made things easier, not worse.

    If the stress during these preceding years is to be considered as the cause for my sexual collapse, then be very, very, careful of stress. The evidence I have at 3 three years after the start of this process of sexual collapse, is that there is no return, no path back. If this is the result of stress, then the damage caused by stress appears to be permanent.
     
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    rtyuii: The answer is yes. Something did change in the year before the start of the collapse. But it was, apparently, a positive thing. That year saw the final successful completion of a major academic project that my wife had been working on, off and on, for nearly 10 years, and in which I had been intimately involved during the last 2 years or so. This took a huge load off our lives.

    This project had generated a great deal of general stress, and a good deal of inter-personal friction between us. At no time, however, even in the most highly stressed moments was our sex life affected. In fact it was the relief valve for our relationship.
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    Herein may lie the answer to your problems:
    You say that sex served as a "release valve" for the general stress in your relationship...
    Is it possible that you conditioned (not purposefully) your body to operate sexually only in response to stress???
    Cognitive behavioral therapy may be beneficial for you, but I would certainly recommend seeing a psychiatrist or psychologist before giving up completely.
    It seems to me that if the unconditioned stimulus was stress and the unconditioned response was sexual excitement, then the conditioned stimulus was an erection with the conditioned response being intercourse.
    Thereby, a removal of the unconditioned stimulus can lead to decreased sexual excitement and decreased sexual functioning.
    It seems to me that you have just given us the biggest clue of all.
    Hopefully, this can shed some light in your problems...
     
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    2hands+: rtyuii,

    a few questions after your interesting post:

    rtyuii wrote:
    What kind of professional is qualified to administer 'Cognitive behavioral therapy'?

    You suggest either a psychiatrist or a psychologist, but surely they are not really the same thing. Which is more likely to be familiar with 'Cognitive behavioral therapy', or is any such professional equipped to take on a case like mine?

    How would 'Cognitive behavioral therapy' attempt to reorient my sub-conscious behaviour?

    What sort of success rate can therapy of this kind be expected to achieve?

    Would you like to give us a short lesson on the subject, explaining the concepts of unconditioned stimulus, unconditioned response, conditioned stimulus, and conditioned response, and how the theory explains how they interact, and how they can be reoriented?


    Over the last three years my wife and I have sometimes, almost humorously, commented that perhaps what I really need is for my wife to start a new thesis, so the idea you suggest here is not completely strange for us. What we really hadn't considered is that there could be a theoretical basis for this idea or a therapy to counter it.

    I can't really say that our sex-life always occurred in an atmosphere of stress and tiredness, but I can remember notable times when we had excellent sex at the successful end of a very long and stressful day of working together on the thesis. At other times I remember vividly how sex was the key that broke a bad climate between us after some row or other. Other than this I cannot say that I was ever conscious that stress was in any way a necessary ingredient for our sex. The possibility of the existence of a link of this nature really only started to appear when, in relationship therapy, we began to analyse our past sex life.

    Perhaps there really is some truth in what you propose.

    Thanks.
     
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    You've brought to this forum a most unusual situation.

    Your own personal story of anguish, frustration, and
    (really) great horror. Being almost your age, I can only begin to imagine (and, then yet, I cannot) what you must be going through.

    You've also pointed out to each of us, regardless of our ages, what a precious gift our sexuality truly is. We tend to take it for granted ...amongst all of today's cultural "high-jinks" over sexual topics. But, the topic of sex so quickly boils down to serious stuff though... when our sexual nature no longer "is there" to the degree we remember it.

    I wish I had a quick-fix solution for you....some brilliant "insight" as to what really happened. I do not.

    I'm writing to welcome you to this forum and, I want to thank you for an (obviously) painful and most personal discourse and exchange which came from so very deep within you. I'm impressed with your candor; your willingness to share with all of us here in this manner. I'm also impressed with the compassion of your wife (from all indications you have given us). Afterall, she is in this situation, too and she is apparently VERY supportive and there for you in so many, many ways.

    I will spare you all the suggestions you might typically expect from one like myself who tries to encourage and get others to look at the "bright side". It's not easy to find a "bright side" in this matter so important to a man.

    To date, it seems you have covered basically every angle to discover what went wrong. But, at the same time, I will implore you however, to not give up in finding the answer, the real "culprit" to this situation. There IS one and, it could be anything, too---hidden deep beneath the surface.

    Stay just as open to being willing to learn and investigate ALL the possibilities as much as you have had the courage to open up to us here about this chapter of your life. Whatever you do, don't give up.

    I want to say (and believe!) that this period of your life too, shall pass and you can return to better days.

    And, for the record, I will hand it to you as well--it often seems the men (and women) of modern day medicine don't always want to hear the whole story about such personal health disorders. That fact doesnt' help the patient one bit! I've had my moments of frustration with several of them over "male matters".

    Finally----and, I don't know how this will go over.
    But, I'm going to suggest it nonetheless. I'm a great believer in prayer. Your sexual dysfunction is as much a cause to seek "healing" as any other bodily disorder.

    Just something for you (and any others) to think about.

    And yes, most certainly... I'll be praying for you. ;)
     
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    HUMONGOUS: i would truly like to hear a response from gigantikok on this matter. i am sure he can add something of value to this thread. gig can we hear from you.? :p ::) ;D
     
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    ruscular: I have heard another person a few years older than me warning about men changes when they get older. He is sexless and no desire to be with woman, and he was also a heavy drinker during his military years.
    I have also known 80 years old still enjoying sex. I know that the body start to degenerate after you hit around the age of 30. the hgh level start to decrease and free radical starts to take over.

    I would suggest a HGH percursor supplement and OPC supplement for the free radical elimination. Cant guarenteed that it will cure anything but I have heard alot of success stories about OPC supplement.
     
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    2hands+: Hi guys,

    thanks for your posts.

    Yes, the whole situation has really been an enormous stress on our relationship. Somehow we are still together, and yes I really have to confirm that my wife has been incredibly supportive, even if at times she gets irritated with the powerlessness we both seem to feel, and the frustration at the total lack of an explanation. We really don't have a notion of where to turn next.

    benderten2001, you recommend prayer. I have all the respect in the world for those for whom this makes sense, but it is so far from my perception of the world that I really wouldn't know where to begin, or even be able to take it seriously. I sometime suspect that those of you who believe in such things really do have an advantage over those of us who do not, in the sense that your faith allows you to offload many of life's problems on a 'higher authority'.

    ruscular, I really wonder if, at the end of the day, the previous 10 years of regular alcohol consumption is the root cause of all this. I am not a big guy, about 64kgs/140lbs and 5'7", so perhaps the alcohol took a bigger toll on me than it might on other bigger guys. For years I felt a real NEED to drink. This need came on most nights about 6pm, and was mostly met by several glasses of wine spaced out over the evening. The several glasses could easily add up to half a bottle or more of wine. I didn't drink EVERY night, but with the inevitable beers at the weekend or on nights out, the end effect was that there weeks at a time when my body was never totally free of alcohol. I was conscious of this at the time, and from time to time I would deliberately stop drinking for several days to 'dry out'. I virtually never drank to excess, and virtually never drank anything but wine and beer, almost never spirits. I would rarely, virtually never, have reached the stage of being drunk. Instead I reached a state of alcohol induced relaxation, with many nights seeing me doze of in front of the TV, in a slight haze, only to wake up in the early hours of the morning (sometimes even as late as 3 or 4 in the morning) and take myself off to bed. Often on waking during these naps I would find myself with a partial erection. This was a kind of routine, especially during the last 5 years or so before the problem started. My wife at this time was working heavily on her thesis and often took herself off to bed long before me, exhausted.

    Clearly there are potential causes for problems here. What is shocking, however, is if this pattern caused permanent damage. One of the first things I changed after the problem started was to cut down radically on my alcohol consumption. The evening drinking pattern stopped about 2 years ago. For a while I cut out alcohol virtually completely, but, as this seemed to have no perceptible effect on my condition after 6 months abstinence, I have slowly allowed myself to drink once in a while at weekends etc., or with a meal. What is most interesting is that the NEED to drink seemed to decrease as the sexual decline increased. Today, just as I no longer feel the NEED to masturbate or have sex, and now find it extremely difficult to find any kind of sexual response sufficient to produce an erection, I also no longer feel the NEED to drink.

    If drinking did this to me, my best advice to you all is: stop drinking right now.

    By the way, ruscular, could you tell us what HGH percursor supplement and OPC supplement are? What do HGH and OPC stand for?

    I was going to stop here, but I have now decided to share something else with you which may, or may not, ring bells for some of you and may, or may not, have something to do with my problem. Only time will tell.

    As what I have finally written is (once again) very long it follows in part two.

    Part 2 follows:
     
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    2hands+: Part 2

    Let me tell you now about one remotely "potential" cause of my whole sexual decline problem which has been kind of lurking in the background for ages, and which I have not yet mentioned in this forum. I have never mentioned this before because I can find very little evidence to confirm that it could be the cause of my problems. Instinct, however, suggests that it may well be linked in some way.

    This potential cause is microwaves; the type that emanate from mobile phone towers.

    Since at least 1995 (that is 5 years before the start of the problem) or so our house has been in the shadow of a 40 m high microwave tower with about 5 different kinds of antennas pointing directly over our house. At least 2 of those antennas are tall thin devices about 2m high and maybe 20cms wide. This tower is about 150 m from the house, and its base is about 5 m below the level of our bedroom.

    Sometime in 1997 or 1998 (that is 2 to 3 years before the start of the problem) a second larger tower was constructed behind the first tower. This second tower is about 50 m high, and around 350 m from the house. Once again the antennas point directly over our house. In this case too there are several antennas, except that this time the largest one pointing in our direction is one of those cylinder-like dishes of maybe 1 or 1.5 m diameter (it has a twin pointing in exactly the opposite direction).

    The house continues to be in the line of fire of these towers up to today. There appears to be nothing we can do about this.

    Why do I think these towers could be related to my problem? Firstly because I have symptoms which I believe are linked to the towers, and secondly because my exposure to the signals from these towers has been almost constant now for 8 years. This near constant exposure comes from the fact that I work most of my time at home. For all these years I have worked in the same room as that in which we sleep, which is unfortunately on the side of the house nearest the towers. In this room, awake or at sleep, there is only a thin brick wall between my head and the towers. In fact as microwaves pass through most things except metal I am actually exposed in some way or other anywhere in the house. Actually I am exposed virtually anywhere and everywhere at all hours of the day or the night: in the house, in the garden, and even while I take my morning walk along the road which passes in front of the house and both the towers.

    During this period the only time in which I spent a significant amount of time away from the house was while I was at work at a firm where I worked for about half of each week between the start of 1997 and early 2002. After the sexual problems started, and I began to wonder about the towers, I suddenly realised that even when I was at the offices of this firm I was in the line of fire of another mobile phone tower. Once again the tower was at about 150 m from my desk, with only a thin brick wall between the antennas and my head. The tower was low, with the antenna set clearly visible from my first floor office, rising just over the top of a 4 floor building.


    I believe I have two symptoms which are closely linked to this microwave exposure. The first is a constant singing inside my head which I never had in the past, although I cannot say when it started. This singing is in fact a single constant high pitched tone, which never seems to go away completely, and only seems to vary in volume. On the very few occasions on which I have managed to spend more than 24 hours at a place very far from any microwave source the volume and insistence of this tone seems to fall considerably, almost disappearing at times.

    The second symptom is a sensation of trembling or vibrating which I feel on waking in the middle of the night. This symptom seems to depend on my being motionless or near so for some time before it takes affect. Obviously sleep is the perfect condition for this symptom to set in. Once I have awoken with this effect I find that as soon as I lie motionless again trying to get back to sleep again the sensation returns. The result is that I end up changing position minute after minute to try and make my head calm down. Usually I manage to sleep after a while, until I awake again a couple of hours later with the same effect.


    I believe the microwaves are constantly stressing my body (especially my head/brain, where I am most conscious of the trembling) and that the consequential disturbance of my natural body rhythms, and sleep, is seriously affecting all those repairing actions which are supposed to occur during good sleep. In fact it is now extremely rare for me to have dreams, and I have not had a sexual dream for several years, although I used to have powerful sexual dreams. The constant nocturnal erections which always used to accompany my sleep are now as rare and weak as my dreams.


    Now, about a month ago we spent a night on an extremely isolated farm. This place was more distant from mobile phone towers than any place I have slept in for years (the nearest tower is at least 15 kms from the farm). The one night on that farm was very revealing. The night passed almost as normal (that is for since this whole story started) with me waking several times during the night. What was surprising each time I woke, however, was that I wasn't vibrating or trembling or anything. I mentally searched my body, and found nothing. I was just lying there super-relaxed. When I finally woke the next morning I felt a great sense of relaxation and commented to myself on the total absence of the vibrations and the greatly reduced volume of the head tone. Although I had had no erections during the night that I had been aware of (which would normally depress me a bit as the very weak nocturnal erections which I occasionally have are virtually the only spontaneous penile activity I still have) I was greatly impressed at how different the night had been in other ways. I even had a long vivid dream, which, even though it was not sexual in an way that I can remember, was exceptional for simply having happened.

    Suddenly lying there in bed beside my wife with seven o'clock light flooding into the room, and in a way that hasn't happened since this whole story started, I began to have an erection. It started timidly, but what was extraordinary was that it kept coming, and didn't stop until it was hard. I moved to my wife to let her feel what had happened, and we started to make love. Before we moved to penetration my wife had to go to the bathroom, and all the while she was there my penis continued happily erect in a way it had not done for ages. When she returned the sex proper began, and virtually everything worked like normal (or rather like it had until 3 years ago). I even remained erect, or at least partially erect after we came, just as I would have until 3 years ago.

    Now this might seem like a normal event, but for someone in my situation this was extraordinary. I literally cannot remember having had a session remotely like this for at least a couple of years, and for months both before and after this session it was the now normal situation in which I NEVER have an erection which INSISTS on arriving, and rarely even have weak nocturnal erections, much less sex.

    The whole event was so different that we have resolved to try and find a way for me to spend a longer period in a similar isolated situation to see if we can get a more definitive fix on what happened that night.


    This sensation of vibrating or trembling started a long time ago, though it would be impossible to talk in terms of years. I never did anything about it as it almost seemed like I was imagining it. As I never read anything about others having such sensations, and as at the time it did not appear to have any consequences, I learned to live with it. Strangely when I look back I remember having had a similar sensation in another house, in another place, way back at the start of the 1990s when mobile phones first started to appear where I was living.

    It all makes one wonder just what we are all being exposed to without our permission. I don't even use a mobile phone!
     
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    ruscular: I wear hearing aids and when I walk near the huge powerline it renders my hearing aid useless until I am far enough away from them. Same for those microwave dish. I had a friend that lived near them and I couldn't stand being there cause I couldn't hear him. Well that convince him to get a new rental. His health improve considerable. There has got to be a special case in court base on this. Most of the time when a company install them they get the neighborhood to sign a release form to waived them of all health related resposibilty of putting in one in your area, and a cash offer.
    I would look into this, maybe contact a lawyer.

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    Market America company was the first that hook me up with the stuff. Its costing me a little over $100 for one month supply of the HGH percursor supplement. But there are others out there.

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    tomarctus: My experience is different but it distresses me too. I noticed a strong decline in arousal last year around my 47th birthday. I, too, had been experiencing stress with my work for about 2 years prior. I have also been hiv-positive since about 1980 and on medications since 1990. I always get my testosterone and thyroid levels checked and take hormone replacement therapy.
    In addition to the low arousal I noticed weak erections. Eventually I went through the battery of tests and it did turn out I had no nocturnal erections. My docs boosted my testosterone and that helped. My urologist suggested Viagra but it does nothing for me. I'm not sure Caverject, Muse or Tri-mix would be any better. Beside, a hard on without arousal is'ne fun at all.
    Then my life entered high stress mode. My partner decided he wanted to be single again the weekend after our 10th anniversary. We had an open relationship so no affair was involved. I didn't even see this coming so I was in a state of shock. We lived together, and slept in the same bed, for the next 5 months while working out the separation, finally moving to our own respective places in January this year.
    I naturally suffered from strong depression and worked on it aggressively in therapy. The antidepressants, however, can reduce sex drive, alas.
    As soon as I moved I got seroiusly ill for 4 months and couldn't work. Finally colon cancer was ruled out but it was frightening. Sadly, because of this illness, I went through all the money from the sale of our house.
    I eventually recovered enough to finish my last project at work. In October I finished it. The next step was closing my shop after 24 years and suspending my 29 year career. Since then, at the advice of my doctors, I have applied for disability. They hope a period of disability will help me recover from all these major life changes.
    My health is fair but, as with many long-term aids survivors, compromised at times. Right now I have peripheral neurpathy in my legs and arms. I first noticed the symptoms in April but it could have been in the works long before. This condition affects the nerves and can contribute to erectile dysfunction.
    Right now I do have successful erections and ejaculation but not as often as I wish. I can't get hard at will any more :( . Gosh, how I wish I could do that! I still have a low sex drive. I've tried to have sex with another guy 3 times in the last year and couldn't stay hard or cum.
    I accept, finally, that my life has had major stressors that contribute to this: hiv, closing a business, ending a career, ending a long realtionship, moving. Yet I am so stubborn I still sometimes think I can will or wish it away. Most of the time I am able to accept it for what it is.
    My hope is that after a time of rest and recovery my sexual health will improve. I know of men in their 80's who are active and I hate the thought of losing it at 48. I still have enjoyable sexual thoughts, it's my body that refuses to join in. Beside's, I'm still good looking and a nice guy.
    By the way, I always play safe.
     
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    Your experience sounds a bit extreme.

    At some point in my mid to late 40s I experienced a decline in sexual drive. Normal for me was 3 - 5 times a week and sometimes twice in the same day. That was down from my late 20s.

    In any case I was concerned and spoke to my urologist. Because of kidney stones I had a urologist. When I explained my situation, he listened patiently and discussed several things. His conclusion was stress. Probably job related. He also had several patients of a large employer in the area and indicated they had similar problems, stress related. Some time later (don’t remember how long) things got better.

    Once I had a testosterone injection. That did not make any difference. A testosterone test was performed and it was slightly on the low side of normal, but within range. I don’t remember the numbers.

    One of the things the urologist suggested - the concern for my concerns could be contributing to my problem. Thoughts of failure tend to be self fulfilling. I don’t know how I over came it,

    A couple of years ago, my wife and I got away for a week. Great nightly sex. Since then, she has been content with sex on a much less frequent basis. A couple of times a week I wake up with significant erections. They are not “raging” but not far from it. My problem – getting my wife interested. I figure I’m good for at least 3 - 4 times a week but don’t get the opportunity.

    At 62, maybe my wife is trying to preserve me? I don’t know. She is just behind me.

    Alcohol has not been a part of my life. I’m in average shape and need to exercise. Several years ago, I did exercise vigorously. My wife complained and suggested I should move furniture around the house instead of exercising.

    I think the most significant thing from my discussions – anticipation and self concern. The urologist also mentioned depression can have a significant influence.

    Your spontaneous erections in your earlier years were quite consistent with mine then.

    Good luck!

    Above written before reading about the microwaves. Don’t get me started about them. Use your favorite search engine for cell phone radiation and microwave radiation.

    At the extreme end of the radiation issue - I worked with some folks from the Korean war that worked around very high power radar. On occasion they would pulse the unit when birds were sitting on lines many feet away in front of the antenna. According to them the birds would drop dead after the pulse.

    In the US the ABC television network wanted to do a story on the effects of cell phone radiation. They could NOT find any company in the US that would perform tests. They had to go to Europe for the tests. There were effects measured.

    Search the net for more information.

    For starters, this may help -

    http://croetweb.com/links.cfm?subtopicID=339

    http://www.buyamag.com/about_emf.htm

    http://infoventures.com/emf/currlit/bu12899.html
     
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    anonymous_pole: I have many points I'd like to touch on regarding this, but I'll have to keep this brief for the time being. This may be a difficult read since I can't see through the tears and I'm not familiar enough with the keyboard to type when I can't see it. Reading your experience refueled the pain I've been blocking out for the last couple years. Your first 2 posts in this thread describe my recent life nearly word for word. The only notable differences are my age(29), the fact that I haven't the means to visit a doctor,and I am alone... so at least my problem isn't dragging someone else down with me. The main purpose for me replying right now is to communicate what I believe to be the root of my problem...as it could possibly be a major factor with you, too. I have been severely sleep-deprived for about 10 years now and it has taken a major toll on my entire life. My thought processes are extremely messed up...for an example, all you have to do is look at how poorly this(or any other post I've made here) is written...quite ridiculous with an IQ of 163. Anyway, since you have been waking up so much through the night, you are undoubtedly sleep-deprived to some extent and that screws up your entire system.Whatever you do,get some sleep...it may quite possibly save your (sex)LIFE. I guess Allie summed it up best when she said "MOVE! NOW!!"
     
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