Al Franken owes $50000 back taxes and penalties!!

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  1. Wyldgusechaz

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    Hey what a funny guy and a typical Democrat

    Newsmax.com - Al Franken Admits $50,000 Tax Debt

    Contras this with a truly great American, Dick Cheney:

    Bush, Cheney?s taxes made public - Politics- msnbc.com

    And read this in fine detail:

    The White House also released the 2005 tax return filed by the Cheneys. They reported adjusted gross income of nearly $8.82 million, which was largely the result of exercising stock options that had been set aside in 2001 for charity.

    According to the return, they have overpaid their taxes this year and are entitled to a refund of about $1.9 million.

    Certainly not a Democrat
     
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    Oh, shut the fuck up. If anyone has made a science out of not paying taxes, with bogus tax shelters, loopholes, off-shore accounts and operations, etc., it's rich Republicans. A few Democrats are getting caught merely because they don't have as much practice conning the IRS as Republicans do. As for Dick Cheney, well, at least Al Franken isn't a war criminal. Yes, Cheney hasn't been charged yet, but that doesn't mean he's not guilty. And what was his latest approval rating with the U.S. public? Something like 15%. No national politician in the last 75 years has had a public approval rating that low. Even moderately conservative Republicans couldn't support the guy by the end.
     
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    You said he hasnt been charged yet, and that doesnt mean he's not guilty? Isn't that exactly what it means?

    Also...don't forget 9/10 of the richest Senators are Democrats. The knife cuts both ways.
     
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    this is complete nonsense. grow up.

    "rich republicans" are hardly the "only" people who have made a "science out of not paying taxes"

    republicans *AND* democrats, with money, take as much advantage as possible of paying as few taxes as possible, without breaking the law.

    That is what tax planners, estate planners, law firms are *FOR*...to save as much money as possible within the law.



    "A few democrats are getting caught because they don't have as much practice conning the IRS as the republicans do?"

    how old are you, twelve?

    loopholes, off shore accounts and operations, are in fact perfectly legal...that is why they operate. if you do not break the law relating to those accounts, loopholes and operations, then you are not "conning" anyone...you are being smart and taking advantage of the law as much as possible without breaking it.

    the Kennedy family...you know...the Kennedys? paid 135,000 dollars *TOTAL* on an estate of 300-500 million dollars when Joseph P Kennedy died in 1969...because it was held in trusts and foundations all tied together.

    Of course, the fact that when Kennedy purchased Merchandise Mart, (Chicago real estate firm) in 1935...he split the ownership among family members and established the trusts...offshore...in FIJI.

    i would say the democrats have just as much knowledge about tax avoidance as the republicans do in terms of congressmen, and i would certainly say that wealthy private democrats get the same advice as republicans from estate planners, accoutnants and tax lawyers on the best way to minimize federal and state taxation without breaking the law

    if a "bogus tax shelter" is used, then it is illegal...but a legitimate tax shelter is not illegal, pal.

    what "bogus tax shelters" were you referring to that the republicans have conned the IRS over?

    you should take a few minutes to learn the very important difference between tax *AVOIDANCE* and tax *EVASION*

    and as for Dick Cheney...what do Al Franken's taxes and Cheney's involvement in prosecution of the war have to do with one another?

    Nothing.

    you may have heard of this small thing we have called the "presumption of innocence". Yes, in fact it does mean he is not guilty. He will only be considered guilty when he is charged and proven in a court of law to be guilty of what you say. If that happens, then that will be the case.

    Say what you want about Dick Cheney, but whether or not you believe he is a "war criminal" has no bearing on Al Franken not paying his taxes on time.
     
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    1. Newsmax. Really?

    2. What is it with Republicans shouting things in gigantic type these days?
    3. Not cited from the article was the time frame involved: The Franken story is almost a year old. It's dishonest of you to write "owes" and not "owed" in the subject line. And for all the noise Republicans made about it then, Minnesota voters still chose him over Norm Coleman.
    4. Al Franken never shot a guy in the face.
     
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    seaninvestor, is that you?
     
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    Well the word overpaid in reference to taxes is not much in vogue with liberals.



    Of course its old news but you have to admit its comical how many activists liberals are neglectful of their civic duty to pay taxes. But of course this is the most joyless place on earth and in no place are the fun police out in force as they are here.

    You are right about the face shot. And Dick Cheney never drowned a girl in his car and lie about it. Funny about that isn't it?
     
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    Wow. given the fact that taxes are public record i can't believe franken's republican opponenet didn't check into this during the campaign and make a huge deal about it.
    i find it interesting that a tax issue on the part of a republican is very loudly talked of by democrats, but when the same thing happens to democrats somehow it is almost like "oh well, my bad" and then they go on their merry way. i can't recall anyone following up on it to see if the tax issue has been resolved.
    it seems to be there does seem to be a double standard with republicans and democrats regarding being held accountable for tax issues.
    if Al Franken owes the taxes, then pay the taxes and be done with it!
     
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    He did. It came out last fucking April and there were attack ads and all of that shit.

    Where were you?
     
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    You are all missing the point I think. Don't you people ever get tired of your "gotcha" politics? It's disgusting and accomplishes nothing.
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    Yeah, there are just as many thieving Democrats as there are Republicans just like contrary to what they say, the Neo-Con led Republican party is JUST as socialistic as the Democrats, if not more.

    Instead of pointing fingers at one party for actions taken by both, why not just realize the Republicans and Democrats are just two sides of the same corporate coin. We need to boot them ALL out, IMO, of BOTH parties.

    Yeah, Al Franken is a scumbag, I've always hated him. But that doesn't mean I'm a fan of Dick Cheney either. Why is it always either or with you morons?

    It boils down to this, both parties are lying to us. If you choose one over the other that means you are just easily manipulated and lacking in the brains department. I don't care if you support some gay and minority hating Republicans, or if you support Mr. Populist Obama bailing out the rich on Wall Street leaving the working class holding the bill. The wool is being pulled over your eyes either way. Wake the fuck up.
     
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    Oh for the love of god, shut the fuck up. Do you have any idea how complicated out of state tax laws are? Especially if the guy is traveling around making a buck here and there night after night.

    My family's company has locations in seven states and I pay taxes in each. But I know that in advance so it's a given. There's no way Franken's accountant can keep up with changing tax laws in all the states in which he earns income. As for the figure, I guarantee you it's primarily interest and penalties; so what?

    As for the ever so patriotic Mr. Cheney, anyone who gets a refund check has OVERPAID their taxes. Big fucking deal.
     
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    That's okay. He's a Democrat.
     
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    So, Dick Cheney's accountant is incompetent and we're supposed to cheer? You think Dick Cheney did his own taxes? (I notice that he's not generous enough to let the government keep the difference.)

    As for 'overpaid' and 'liberals' -- read on, my friend:

    You're mischaracterizing: Franken never neglected "his civic duty to pay taxes". He paid taxes regularly and on time, but did so incorrectly because he was reporting income to his home state instead of in the state where he earned it:

    From MPR (bolding is mine):

    And what was that I heard you say about the word 'overpaid'? Oh, the irony slays me.

    So, Wyldgusechaz: First, you stated that he "owes" taxes instead of "owed"; second of all, you called it a "neglect of his civic duty", when in fact, he reported his entire income and paid taxes on the full amount every year.
     
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    And you wondered why I lumped you with the other hyper-Conservatives on this forum, Flashy?

    These are the only things I ever see you post in this forum.
     
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    Or made the victim of said accident apologize.:wink:
     
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    excuse me, how is stating that Republicans and Democrats both in the public and private sector use every possible legal means (and many illegal means) at their disposal to avoid taxes indicative of being a hyper conservative?

    The original idiot poster made it seem like the republicans were the only ones capable of doing this. Pointing out that the first family of democratic politics was in fact one of the largest tax avoiders was in fact a direct contradiction to the absurd contention made by the poster i criticized. Nowhere did i defend what republicans do...i simply stated the fact that democrats are equally culpable, and to attempt to hold democrats blameless while the republicans are the only ones doing things wrong is absurd and ignorant.

    And suggesting the difference between the fact that even a slime like Cheney has the right to the presumption of innocence when faced with potential "war crimes" indictments, hardly smacks of being pro-conservative, does it?

    Or do you believe that we should do away with due process? In which case i think you would have alot more in common with many of the conservatives you critique than i do.

    Either way, someone bringing in Cheney's possible actions during a war, and Al Franken potentially having tax problems is in fact not a republican/democrat or conservative/liberal issue.

    Even Cheney has the right to be judged fairly under the law.

    It is a retarded and irrelevant comparison.

    If he wanted to compare something similar there are plenty republican examples of tax problems to draw a proper comparison.


    I do not know any "hyper conservatives", who, like i do, believe absolutely in:

    -Legalization of Marijuana
    -Legalization of hemp production for business purposes
    -Full conversion of the US economy to being powered by renewable energy within 20 years
    -Massive government spending program to build wind,solar, hydro, nuclear plants and a country-wide maglev train system with federal funds.
    -Stricter conservation laws
    -Ban on drilling in ANWAR
    -Full government health care
    -Pro-Choice
    -Anti-Death Penalty
    - Stricter and heavier fines, restrictions, and laws regarding corporate polluters
    -Tighter Gun Control
    - More beneficial prison programs for lesser offenders to reduce return to crime
    - Path to citizenship for Illegal Immigrants
    - Ending the "war on drugs"
    - Support of Gay Marriage
    - Support of unrestricted stem cell research
    - Support of a higher minimum wage
    - opposition to school prayer

    and a host of other issues

    so spare me your obnoxious baiting....i guess the only things you see, are rather selective...you obviously missed my stances on gay marriage, the environment, drugs, illegal immigration, religion and government, health care, and a host of other issues so please point out to me where "hyper conservatives" support the measures i do, please?

    Since there are only perhaps 5-6 conservatives here and they rarely debate on issues i have mentioned above, what else is there to criticize them on?

    I have already gone out of my way to call Bush a terrible President on about a hundred occasions.

    The difference is that the overwhelming number of far lefters on here are just as far up their own asses as the conservatives are, and as prejudicial as many conservatives come off, they are equalled only by the same fanaticism and sheer delusions of those here on the far left.

    When you point out to me where the conservatives here talk about the issues mentioned above, you will find my responses against them....the difference being that people like yourself spend your time looking to seize on all the places where people *DISAGREE* with you rather than agree.

    Because i agree with conservatives on perhaps a grand total of 5 issues, mostly related to economics and foreign policy/military/terrorism and disagree with them on about 20 issues, related to civil, social and environmental, does not equal your brilliant "lumping in" of me with hyper-conservatives.

    The only lumping you have succeeded in doing is showing yourself to being an astute and passionate defender of an "all or nothing" approach to politics and issues.

    Ironically...you have alot more in common with George W. Bush and the Rush Limbaughs of this world than i do...you are very much wedded to the idea of "you are either with us or against us".the mantra people of your ilk use to deride the idiotic Bush administration as being inflexible and inexcusable is actually quite apropos for people so far in the opposition of the other end, that it is your mantra too without even realizing it.
     
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    I didn't read your whole post. It was needlessly long, as usual.

    Again, all I see you post here is in agreement with the Conservative standpoint. If you can't accept that that's the impression I get from you here, there's not much I can do about it.

    You asked me how I could lump you with those people before. Here it is.
     
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    I would expect that from you.

    it took about 2 minutes to read a comprehensive refutation of yourblanket indictment.

    You may find it cute and think that brevity in making prejudicial and despicable mischaracterizations is somehow an intelligent means of debate.

    You then manage to conveniently avoid a comprehensive, factual, point by point refutation of your despicable, prejudical, not to mention, totally incorrect lies.

    In the previous post of mine that you deemed "needlessly long" was an issue by issue counterpoint, of your, as usual, needlessly brief blanket condemnation of my views without any facts at your disposal and without deigning to take the time to learn the facts under the guise of length and proper illustration of information.

    If you had bothered to actually read someone's actual views, instead of only viewing 10% of those views where someone agrees with another who is not of your particular persuasion, then ignoring the rest, you are indeed perfectly as despicable as Rush Limbaugh.

    I did ask you how you could lump me in with those people...and the answer is by not bothering to examine the facts.

    Brevity does not determine one's political beliefs. Facts do.

    Just because you do not like facts and a comprehensive review of the issues you are stating against me, under the guise of "needlessly long" does not equate to my views being different.

    Your willingness to lie, be incorrect, mistate someone's views and be deliberately obtuse and incorrect under the guide of lack of time is pathetic.

    Agreeing with the "conservative" standpoint on perhaps 5 issues, while disagreeing with 20, does not make one a conservative, you fool.

    you said that "If you can't accept that that's the impression I get from you here, there's not much I can do about it"

    which frankly, is your whole problem. You prefer to take a snapshot on 5% of what you see and ignore the rest because it is too difficult for you to read or concentrate.

    That is called prejudice, not to mention ignorance and stupidity.



    there it is, indeed.

    don't bother to respond until you can actually read all the facts before pathetically condemning people for views they don't hold.
     
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    Jesus Flashy! You have a MASSIVE problem with being succinct. You need a GD editor. Why the hell do you need to respond with 800 words to a few sentences? I am absolutely tired of reading your unnecessary, bandwith hogging responses! I have a response of yours that is sitting in my word processor... it is near fucking 3000 words! I am kind of scared to respond to it 'cause you will most likely type a 5000 word response as your retort and there is no way in hell that I am responding to a 5000 word post.

    Your system of baffling your opponents with so many words that they are scared to respond is novel indeed. It makes it look like you win arguments when your opponents don't respond to your epic web novels because they don't have an hour or three to burn.

    I want to respond to your posts, but I don't wanna have to read thousands of words and reserve a couple of hours to respond to them.

    It's just absolutely ridiculous... say what you need to say, but just make it more succinct or easier to digest. Meditate on the words proportionate response.
     
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