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Al-Qaida Backs McCain as President

Discussion in 'Politics' started by 1BiGG1, Oct 22, 2008.

  1. 1BiGG1

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    I hope he wins too so he can exterminate this vermin plague and look very close at their friends in Iran while he is at it. Obama doesn't have the balls to do what is needed here I'm affraid ...

    Al-Qaida-linked Web site backs McCain as president

    WASHINGTON (AP) - Al-Qaida supporters suggested in a Web site message this week they would welcome a pre-election terror attack on the U.S. as a way to usher in a McCain presidency.

    The message, posted Monday on the password-protected al-Hesbah Web site, said if al-Qaida wants to exhaust the United States militarily and economically, "impetuous" Republican presidential candidate Sen. John McCain is the better choice because he is more likely to continue the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    "This requires presence of an impetuous American leader such as McCain, who pledged to continue the war till the last American soldier," the message said. "Then, al-Qaida will have to support McCain in the coming elections so that he continues the failing march of his predecessor, Bush."

    SITE Intelligence Group, based in Bethesda, Md., monitors the Web site and translated the message.

    "If al-Qaida carries out a big operation against American interests," the message said, "this act will be support of McCain because it will push the Americans deliberately to vote for McCain so that he takes revenge for them against al-Qaida. Al-Qaida then will succeed in exhausting America till its last year in it."

    Mark Salter, a senior McCain adviser, said he had heard about the Web site chatter but had no immediate comment.

    The message is credited to a frequent and apparently respected contributor named Muhammad Haafid. However, Haafid is not believed to have a direct affiliation with al-Qaida plans or knowledge of its operations, according to SITE.

    SITE senior analyst Adam Raisman said this message caught SITE's attention because there has been little other chatter on the forums about the U.S. election.

    SITE was struck by the message's detailed analysis—and apparent jubilation—about American financial woes.

    "What we try to do is get the pulse of the jihadist community," Raisman said. "And it's about the financial crisis."

    Al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden issued a videotape just four days before the 2004 U.S. presidential election directly addressing the American people.
     
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    It makes sense that Al-Qaida would want a President that would followed the same failed strategies in Iraq and Afghanistan. They can continue to expand their membership and continue to hide in Pakistan.

    Hasn't Obama not ruled out attacking Al-Qaida in Pakistan?

    The last thing the terrorists want is for the US to get it's shit together under a strong leader.
     
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    Republicans need terrorism to win elections. Without 9/11 the Republican party would be fucking NOTHING but crooks and liars. Instead, the terror attacks allowed an opportunity for them to portray themselves as the true patriots of America... it was a clever ruse... kind of played out, but effective nonetheless.

    In the absence of terror, the Republicans are seen as the crooks that they have always been.

    What the Republicans need is a good ol' terror strike... they need to draw blood and for people to die in order for them to win. I am sure that we will get one in a week or so.
     
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    Jezuz, Tri. That's pretty harsh.
     
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    I doubt the general population in Iraq or Afghanistan agrees with you on alleged “failed strategies” in fact, I’m certain it’s quite the opposite.

    The extremist religious wacko’s have been expanding worldwide for quite some time and this has nothing to do with George Bush or anything he did = he is the reason there are fewer in power and that precedent needs furthering, not abandonment.

    And no, Obama has not ruled out action in Pakistan last I heard.
     
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    LOL! Not to mention alleging that republicans are any different in the “crooks and liars” department was good for a smile but maybe he’s running for Liberal-Apologist Poster Boy or something. :wink:
     
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    Anyone who even cares what a terrorist group thinks and allows them to sway his voting decisions is no longer an independent thinking person.
     
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    How are you certain? What are your sources?
    From what I've read, and certainly in Afghanistan, where there are issues with famine and errant air strikes, your statement is not true. Even Seth Jones has admitted there is an issue of discontent with average Afghanis.
     
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    He's got the balls to end the futile war in Iraq (but likely stay in Afghanistan where the terrorists actually are), and save thousands of American and Iraqi lives. In fact, he should go over there and teabag Bin Laden to death.


    QFMFT.

    This war that was was going to take a 'few months' is an embarrassment to America and it's military. Of course Al-Quida wants this farce to continue. They aren't getting any poorer or losing any ground, but the Coalition is spending $billions per month on this fiasco and getting nowhere.
     
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    There are very few independent thinking persons left in this country to begin with.
     
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    It was probably the harshest thing I've ever said on this site... I agree that it was nasty... but that is how I feel most of the time.

    Yeah but... isn't truly independent thinking impossible unless we live in a vacuum?
     
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    The strategy in Afghanistan has not captured bin Ladin, the Taliban are resurgent, coalition soldiers are still dieing, opium production is up. Why? Because Bush and Co. took their eye off the ball decided to go after Saddam. Thereby diverting resources and out of the Afgan theatre and letting the enemy regroup. They continued to tolerate the pro-Taliban elements in the Pakistani goverment and security services.

    Saddam and the Bathists were sworn enemies of religious fantic terrorists. Islamic fundamentalism was supressed in pre-war Iraq and the 911 commission found no crediable evidence of a connection between Al qaida and Saddam.

    I shed no tears for Saddam. I am glad he is dead. But when it comes to the realpolitik of terrorism and the middle east, practical, rather than ideological notions should govern the actions of the west. We should have used and manipulated that SOB to our own ends.

    But this has all been thrashed round and round here before and there is not much point in discussing it. Opinions are set in stone and won't change.

    If Al Qaida is favoring McCain, then they must fear Obama more. Simple logic. They would rather have a stupid, erratic opponite than a smart one.

    I won't be surprised at all to see an attack somewhere in the world in the next couple of weeks. I hope the dumbasses in the White House have the security forces on heighten alert.
     
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    I wrote pretty much the same thing about wagging the dog here:

    http://www.lpsg.org/78933-the-war-in-iraq-4.html#post1314173
     
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    Afghanistan is a wasteland that suffered far worse under the warring factions like the Taliban before NATO’s arrival. This is Afghanistan today …

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/afghanistan/afghan-survey2007.html
     
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    amazing how we sit around, half-a-world-away and think we have a friggin clue what life in Afghanistan, or any other country, is like day-to-day.
    "we" love to pontificate based on narrowed vision and insistance that things are "just as we believe" "I saw this online or in other media" "I selectively chose these ideas to subscribe too..."
    We should discuss things we actually know, not what we "think" or "convince" ourselves about....
     
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    I don't believe Al Qaida exist.
     
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    bin Ladin is somewhere in the world thumbing his nose at the west and planning more attacks. Bush and Co. have failed to bring him to justice for Sept 11. Maybe they don't want to. Maybe they need an enemy so they can keep pouring contracts into their friend's defense businesses. I don't know. Without an enemy they are fucked.

    You keep blaming Clinton. Or the UN or France or Russia. Or Motherfucking Goose, but never Cheney or Bush. Why is that?

    That game can keep on going back further and further in history. Blame the Zionist's why not? Or the Brits. Or the Ottoman's. Or why not the Crusader's for losing thier wars and letting the arabs have Palestine.

    They went into Iraq with too little force to control the situation. If MacArthur had tried to occupy Japan with a couple hundred thousand guys they just MAY have tried something in time. But you know what? He wasn't that stupid.

    You are totally irrational and in deep denial Big. Face that facts man. Bush and Cheney and Rummy FUCKED UP. History will not absolve them.

    They are leaving a hell of mess for President Obama to clean up.
     
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    I'm sorry, but Afghanistan was far from a wasteland before the Taliban.
    It was culturally rich, admittedly with a strong hierarchal society, however education and Westernism where the norm, including for women, in many provinces. Please read material on Sima Samar, Lila Abu-Lughod, and others who have a deep knowledge of life in Afghanistan beginning pre-Taliban.

    Further, this is a reference for a slice of the current state of affairs in Afghanistan:
    http://foreignaffairs.house.gov/110/Jon04022008.pdf
     
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    QFT!
    Thank you and thanks Tripod,Vince and others for your astute vision of what is really going on in this country.
    Hey Big 1 what about the religious and extremist's wackos in this country like good ole' Pat Buchanon and yourself who continue to support this failed,funky-assed president? :rolleyes:
    cigarbabe:saevil:
     
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    This is spot on. I'm not defending the Taliban whatsoever, but they actually did police the country, very well. They largely responsible for keeping poppy growing low. Ever since we went there, tore the country apart, and moved on to Iraq, the Afghanis have been going downhill, fast. There is no infratstructure, yet we're trying to rebuild Iraq's. There are no jobs, forcing farmers to grow the only thing they can, poppy. When the Afghan military comes around, they destroy these crops, leaving the majority of Afghans with no means of making money, since there are no other jobs. Thanks to us and the distraction posed by Iraq, Afghanistan now produces 90% of the world's heroin and opium. That is a huge problem. If we would have stayed in Afghanistan, instead of shipping our troops to Iraq, the country would be stable. The Iraq war was an idiotic choice made by an idiotic leader. We should have completely secured Afghanistan BEFORE going into Iraq. Common sense 101, don't start a war until you finish the one you've already started. Republicans want to bitch about "not losing in Iraq, coming home in victory, and bringing our troops home with dignity" Well, guess what...we're losing in Afghanistan, and we are about to lose for good. Hypocrisy.

    On top of that, it isn't the troops fault if we lose. It's the fault of the commanding officers, who obviously lack the knowledge to win a war. We went into Iraq underfinanced, with as few troops as possible, relying on the rest of the world to have our back in a war they already condemmed before it started. Terrible strategy. You want to win a war oveseas? Send 3 times as many troops as we did, and we would have won in Iraq 2-3 years ago. Besides, Bush declared we won the war 3 years ago, and that it was over. Overstatement of the century. Every war in the past has been "won" by removing the leader from power, and replacing him with someone we like. Well, we've done that, so what exactly constitutes as winning in Iraq now? It's a lose lose situation, either way you look at it. I would have much rather seen a video Bin Laden hanging from a rope on than Hussein.
     
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    One reason for the GOP's obligation to start a wars is because their largest campaign contributors are usually arms manufacturers. From Lockheed to Northrop, The GOP can guarantee these business a long, protracted war. If there is no country that poses an appreciable threat, then one of the following must be done:
    1. Wag the dog and construct an invisible enemy. Reagan was incredibly proficient at this -- getting Americans to spend $1 trillion on the Star Wars project to protect America from Soviet ICBMs. This venture was bogus and didn't accomplish anything. It astounds me that Americans were gullible enough to pay for nothing but $3,000 toilet seats. Since the budget was top secret, we'll never know who really got rich; It certainly wasn't the American people.
    2. Choose a poor country with a small military on the other side of the world. Spin their appearance and make them into a threatening "rogue state." Of course, the Geneva convention and the U.N. won't permit the U.S. to attack for no good reason. Make some cartoon diagrams and get a credible looking guy like Colin Powell to claim that this small, poor country is a huge threat to the world.... and hope that France keeps quiet.
    I am all for the Iraqi pullout, but I don't think that it will go smoothly; Saddam was a tyrant, but he used his iron fist to keep relative peace between the Sunnis and the Shiites. If the Americans pull out, there needs to be a U.N. peacekeeping force installed that will prevent an Iran-backed civil war in Iraq.

    As thousands of Iraqi civilians die each month, Bush continues to insist that he knows exactly what he's doing in Iraq. Of course, he also said that the war would last "a few months," that the war was good for the economy, and that there were WMDs in Iraq. As he said himself, history will prove his laudability.
     
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    And if he was dead there is a long list that would be taking his position. His radical faction is not the only one out there also.



    Maybe they know exactly where he is and always have and use him for gathering intelligence.




    Because I agree with Bush attacking Iraq. Clinton did the same only he didn’t go far enough setting a bad precedent.



    Past wars are a non-issue. Today radical Islam has power, gigantic checkbooks and the means to obtain easily available weapons including WMD. We are bringing them to US in the Middle East instead of waiting for them to pay another visit here.



    We have military strategists and tacticians that are among the finest in the world if not the finest but nobody is perfect. WWII or any other war we participated in wasn’t perfect by any means either.



    The facts here imo anyway are they did he right thing bucking the crooks in the UN who’s job it was to do the right thing but of course didn’t, as that would interfere with their dirty deals with Saddam. Besides that, if any other country shoots missiles at our jets flying over legal territory I hope we attack them as well.



    The thoughts of that guy running a McDonalds scares me.
     
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    If they can easily get WMDs, why haven't they? If it's so easy, why don't they do it? I could probably get a WMD before any of them could...and I'm not talking about my dick
     
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    I was talking about the mess after the Soviet Union pulled out.
     
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    Your friend Obama spent 20 years here ...

    YouTube - Rev. Jeremiah Wright hate
     
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    Damn, that's a legitmate trademark now
     
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    I didn’t comment on your prior post regarding Afghanistan but you should stay away from that subject in the future.

    Regarding WMD, “they” have computers, recipes, ingredients and means of delivery for all kinds of nasties. I would imagine the only reason they haven’t used them is they are afraid George will turn their homeland into glass.
     
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    Really though, do you actually understand why they want McCain elected? In case you don't, I'll fill you in.

    A)McCain wants to stay in Iraq.
    B)Al Queda knows they cannot bring the war to American soil, it's just not possible.
    C)By staying in Iraq, they can kill more Americans than they can by us leaving. It's that simple. It's not rocket science, it's strategy.
     
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