Alan Grayson is my hero

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  1. B_VinylBoy

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    It's good to see at least ONE person in Congress with some balls.
    YouTube - Rep Grayson On GOP Health Plan: If You Get Sick, Die Quickly
    YouTube - America Is Sick Of You Republican Party! You Are A Lie Factory! Congressman Grayson

    Even if parts of his message is just as exaggerated as ones from his dissenters, it's STILL good to see someone look them dead in the eye and call them out for the nonsense they engage in.

    Comments please... and yes, I already know the usual comments from the peanut gallery will follow.
     
  2. Florida Boy

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    Thanks for posting this. I will admit to not listening to his entire speech or all the other rhetoric. However, occasionally, our representatives make me feel proud to be in Florida. that sums up their plan. In short, don't bother us.
     
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    The part about "Lie Factory" rang true.
     
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    Part of why this guy is so important is:

    the republican party is supplying PLENTY of opposition to any of the healthcare bills working through congress.

    They supply "OPPOSITION" by the yard, by the mile. They supply new opposition every day and rework the old opposition.


    Yet. They appear to have absolutely no interest in SOLVING THE HEALTHCARE problem, the real issue, reform of the current. existing unworkable system's status quo, which is so inextricably bound up with the nation's economic health.


    "No. No. No." - This is what a child does. "You lie!" Offering no solutions to replace the reflexive "opposition". Party of No. Divert attention and focus on non-issues and red herrings that will help to sink any possibility of reform.


    That's where we're at. Though there are a couple hopeful signs this week that congress is coming together for (a few republicans are now showing interest in) some type of alternative public option.
     
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    republicans the best congress money, as in insurance companies, can buy and throw in a handful of democrats too.
     
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    Wow, there for a minute I thought you were talking about how the Democrats responded to Bush's push to reform Social Security.

    As to the video: I sincerely had hoped that there was more intellictualism on behalf of liberals in congress than was demostrated on this forum. I am again stunned and amazed at how little the left thinks.
     
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    That's true... there was a good piece on MSNBC about some of the people blocking the procedure from the Democratic side as well. When it comes to the influence of money, no party is immune. All of them are just puppets for the insurance companies. Still, it's good to see someone on the House floor pointing out at least some of the bullshit going on out there. It's a good wake up call to anyone who is actually for reform.
     
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    Republicans should be upset about a Dem showing some backbone. Who knows, it could be contagious. Not likely but possible.
    Dave
     
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    Absolutely agree. The easiest (and most common and banal) thing in the world is putting down or wrecking whatever others are doing without having any ideas yourself.
     
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    Yes, God bless him.
     
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    Yes Social Security certainly needed 'reforming'. What the Republicans have always wanted to do is dismantle the New Deal. Social Security just happened to be the first in line.
     
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    It takes 60 votes to pass the Healthcare Bill, There are 60 Democrats D,oh !
     
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    It only takes 51 votes to pass a bill in the Senate, but 50 will suffice since Biden would break the tie on the Dem side.
     
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    It should, if you are recalling Obama's campaign promises.

    How's that GITMO closing going?
     
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    That also means 60 different brains containing 60 different opinions, with no requirement for all of them to be the same. So much for individualistic thinking. Although in the case of health care reform, I wouldn't mind if the Dems actually acted like lemmings and played "follow the leader".
     
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    To be honest, the GOP has presented various plans but none of them address the issue. Their proposals involve reducing Medicaid fraud, denying federal funds for abortion, requiring insurers to cover preventative care, and giving tax credits to low-income families.

    The problem with that last one should be pretty obvious. If you're going to pay out-of-pocket for health care premiums, then what good is a tax credit if you don't pay enough in taxes to cover the premiums? It sounds good in theory, but insurance premiums for a family can easily run over $15,000 a year. Low income people won't pay that much in taxes to begin with so all the tax credits in the world aren't going to help them afford insurance.

    Something else too. You know those federally-authorized supplementary health care spending accounts? You can't use the money you put in them to pay for health insurance premiums but your trophy wife can use it toward getting her face lift. Nifty, eh?

    Requiring insurers to pay for preventative care doesn't help either. That just drives-up premiums because there's nothing to prevent an insurer for passing along those costs to the policy holder and frequently those costs are the least onerous. You may well find your premiums hiked more than the actual costs of paying for most preventative care out of pocket if you're already younger and healthy.

    Defunding abortion will only increase costs as right now Medicaid only covers funding for abortion in cases of rape, incest, and when the life of the mother is endangered. Are they seriously proposing defunding abortion for these circumstances or are they simply re-legislating existing law? In any event, defunding abortion will only increase costs as one abortion costs far less than covering a child's birth and health care during his or her minority.

    Reducing Medicaid fraud is a good idea but how are they proposing to do that? Are present laws not enough and will it add to the paper work already drowning doctors' offices?

    What the GOP proposals do not do is get the uninsured covered or get them out of medicaid-induced poverty which is precisely what we need to make this country more prosperous and cut medical costs. Insurance companies add no value to the health care system. They exist to make a profit off of it. I don't begrudge profit. Certainly doctors, technicians, nurses, and other health care providers are entitled to make money for their skills but insurance companies neither cure nor produce anything that improves health. They need to be excluded from the picture except for supplementary policies as they do in other countries. Life and death decisions need to be in the hands of doctors and patients, not health insurers. That's the ultimate necessity of any reform.
     
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    Bravo, that man.
     
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    Awesome post, jason_els. :biggrin:
     
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    That strikes me as being the most pragmatic and sensible summary I've seen yet.

    Or, as the saying goes, cut out the middleman.
     
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    Ah you got it ! This bill is flawed and needs major revamping,the Republicans have some good ideas, but they are defeated every time they try to bring it up for a vote.Talk about lemmings !,We have the majority,you WILL,do as we say. The left defeated a motion about the healthcare bill only being for american citizens.741 little pet gifts were attached to the bill.This is the same ole crap by the same ole individuals.
    The bill is modeled after the Massachusetts plan which is a failure and bankrupted .We need compromises to make this a"workable" package.
     
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