Allow Parents To Excuse Students From Pe Showers?

[Janet]

Originally posted by John_McWilliams@Sep 22 2005, 10:00 PM

For those who believe that I'm making up the whole thing, I've given you the date of the issue. Furthermore, it is Volume 10, number 2 of Life Magazine. Go to the library and check for yourself. While there, you may also wish to read the subsequent issues and read the letters to the editor about this article.

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John,

I just pulled and read the January 13, 1941 issue of Life magazine article at my local library. It's clear PE and school showers were very widely supported in the US at the time of the article. (In my school district, there still widely supported today; though I'm less sure about other communities)

Thanks for the reference.

 

[Freddie53]

When I was a teen in the sixties, a guy that didn't want to get into the communal shower nude was a "queer," which was the terminology at that time. Today, it seems a guy is gay if he does want to take a shower nude in a communal shower.
Back then the coaches took showers with the guys. Today, that is considered by many to be sexual assault.

Times change and our false perceptions change as well.

Who knows what then next few decades will bring!

 

[jonb]

Yeah well, in a lot of schools, the jocks call everyone else fags too. Even the wrestling team, which is the most homoerotic sport ever.

 

[KinkGuy]

Originally posted by jonb@Sep 27 2005, 09:51 PM
Yeah well, in a lot of schools, the jocks call everyone else fags too. Even the wrestling team, which is the most homoerotic sport ever.

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Hey!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Who you calling a homo?!?!?!? I was a wrestler in HS and College and I ain't no homo.....wait....well....ah, oh never mind.

I showered buck ass fuckin' naked with all those other guys, so I guess I ain't a fag? Now I am completely confused. I DO shower I'm queer, I DON'T shower I'm a fag? Geez, no winning this one.

All I DO KNOW? Is that stinky, sweaty, smelly fucking guys SHOULD be showering after gym.

Oh, that's right, how horrible.............SOMEONE MIGHT SEE MY COCK AND BALLS !!!!!! AHHHHHHHHHHH !!!!!!!

 

[thkbeercan]

wow there certainly is a lot of disagreement over what seems to be a simple matter of basic hygiene. and my guess is that most of the people who support
the idea that children in high school should be allowed to decide for themselves what is hygenically best are, for the most part, children in high school themselves or of similar age/mentality.

high school gym class oftens involves more than just a quick run around the track.
frequently swimming is involved. in that case, a nude shower should be mandatory beforehand out of courtesy for the others in the pool. stinky unwashed people don't have a right to enter a swimming pool with others. the pool is not a bath tub. in the real world outside of high school, gyms and health clubs require this of people using a jacuzzi for the same reason. i have been in more than a few 'hot tubs' where other men 'criticized' those entering the jacuzzi who had just taken a shit and not showered afterwards for the same reason-it is unclean, ignorant and disrespectful of the others who use the facility. and the criticism went like this 'get out of the fucking jacuzzi asshole, you just left the shitter and this isn't a bathtub!' nobody cared about their right to not shower, you see....

as far as modesty goes, or embarassment (and i suppose dick size can be an issue here), the student could face the wall when showering or perhaps shower when others had left the shower rooms. but i sure as hell wouldn't want to share a locker with the 'modest' guy who refused to shower after gym class for whatever reason. if you can't stand the heat (shower) get out of the kitchen (get excused from gym class).

the idea that 'personal freedom' enters into this i find ridiculous. a student might believe that he/she has a 'right' to have head lice. but the school authorities act quickly and force removal of the student if lice are discovered until the unclean infestation is cleared up. and rightly so.

in my high school, the gym teachers put up with no bullshit from students on this matter. if you suited up for gym, you took a shower before you dressed in street clothes again. period. for some students, this was the only bathing that occured in their life....

one last thing...earlier in this thread someone said the military was an exception because that is a matter of personal choice (ie, you join the service if you want to)...we happen to have a weak volunteer army right now. but this can (and unfortunately, probably will) be changed with the stroke of a pen, folks. when i was a teenager there was a draft and thousands of young men were called up to go to vietnam. their modesty about showering in front of others or allowing other men to see their naked penis (oh my&#33 disappeared with the innocence of childhood when the bullets started flying...

 

[BruceSter]

Originally posted by KinkGuy+Sep 27 2005, 10:03 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(KinkGuy &#064; Sep 27 2005, 10:03 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-jonb@Sep 27 2005, 09:51 PM
Yeah well, in a lot of schools, the jocks call everyone else fags too. Even the wrestling team, which is the most homoerotic sport ever.

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Hey&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; Who you calling a homo?&#33;?&#33;?&#33;? I was a wrestler in HS and College and I ain&#39;t no homo.....wait....well....ah, oh never mind.

I showered buck ass fuckin&#39; naked with all those other guys, so I guess I ain&#39;t a fag? Now I am completely confused. I DO shower I&#39;m queer, I DON&#39;T shower I&#39;m a fag? Geez, no winning this one.

All I DO KNOW? Is that stinky, sweaty, smelly fucking guys SHOULD be showering after gym.

Oh, that&#39;s right, how horrible.............SOMEONE MIGHT SEE MY COCK AND BALLS &#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; AHHHHHHHHHHH &#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

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Point made&#33;

 

[Dr Rock]

Originally posted by warmsunshine@Sep 24 2005, 04:02 AM
Boring does as boring is.

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you said it.

 

[KinkGuy]

Originally posted by BruceSter+Sep 28 2005, 12:06 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(BruceSter &#064; Sep 28 2005, 12:06 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'>

Originally posted by KinkGuy@Sep 27 2005, 10:03 PM
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@Sep 27 2005, 09:51 PM
Yeah well, in a lot of schools, the jocks call everyone else fags too. Even the wrestling team, which is the most homoerotic sport ever.

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Hey&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; Who you calling a homo?&#33;?&#33;?&#33;? I was a wrestler in HS and College and I ain&#39;t no homo.....wait....well....ah, oh never mind.

I showered buck ass fuckin&#39; naked with all those other guys, so I guess I ain&#39;t a fag? Now I am completely confused. I DO shower I&#39;m queer, I DON&#39;T shower I&#39;m a fag? Geez, no winning this one.

All I DO KNOW? Is that stinky, sweaty, smelly fucking guys SHOULD be showering after gym.

Oh, that&#39;s right, how horrible.............SOMEONE MIGHT SEE MY COCK AND BALLS &#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; AHHHHHHHHHHH &#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

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Point made&#33;

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So, was that a "point made" in agreement...or a "point made" in the opposing?
Do we? Don&#39;t we? Should we? Must we? It&#39;s a damn fuckin&#39; shower for fuck&#39;s sake.

 

[Adam875]

Just picked up on this 4 1/2 year-old thread, so entirely irrelevant by now. I knew of a boy at Manchester Grammar School in the UK, who was excused swimming (in the days of speedo briefs only) and showering. He was famous as having the biggest dick in the school ... a foot long, of course, was the story. OK, I never saw it, but a friend of mine who went there did. No one was ever sure quite why he was excused these things (officially on 'medical' grounds), but 'big dick embarrassment' was suspected.

 

[boatman49]

My heck whats the big deal about showering after P.E if you want to stink all day long and have others not want to sit by you hell go for it.

I used to have to shower in Junior high and high school and so did all my other buddies and we all turned out ok.

I feel that all experiences in school help to develop a child socially and mentally and spiritualy.

I feel badly for people that are so self consicious of there bodies that they cant feel comfortable with taking a shower in front of other men or women.

But personaly I feel it was a help to me to be able to shower early on in life, and know that it was perfectly ok.

Gees lets all get a life and grow up.

 

[Jupiter511]

At my high school, we had showers but no one ever used them. We changed, but didn't shower. There was only like 4 minutes between periods.

I didn't change and I wouldnt've showered anyway, because I did *NOTHING* in gym class. We always had choices and I always did the easy stuff, like the "walking unit" or going to the fitness room (which really just means gossiping with your friends around the machines while looking busy). When we all had to participate in one activity, like volleyball, I just stood there and hardly participated because I felt it was ridiculous. I played badminton, though, because it required like no effort.

I also played dance dance Revolution in gym class my senior year. Got me kinda sweaty but not enough to smell bad for the rest of the day.

I got a 100 every 4 quarters in every year of high school for doing nothing.

So yeah, required showers would be lame. Not to mention inefficient; I mean, in a class period of 44 minutes, 10 of which is spent changing and calling attendance, there's no time for a shower.

 

[Phatdick]

Well , thats the Muslim culture for you , also they would like you to respect their fasting in Ramadan and not to eat in front of them , as well as they would like to be excused for Wash and prayer (They pray 5 times a day )
and thats all fine and dandy but don't push you fucking believe on , go practice your fucking faith some where else ...or go blow up something..


by the way I was born a Muslim and lived among them in the middle east for 10 years , Trust me there is so much Boy fucking going on its unbelievable .
Most of the Rich ones head to Thailand for a lady boy or child prostitution .

 

[jaketaz20002]

7x5.5: I think it should be encouraged but not required. Also, I agree with religious exceptions. When a person of religion comes to live in a country, they should adhere to said countries law - but outside of written laws, constitutions etc they need not compromise their religious beliefs, especially when it is not harming anybody. Showering after activity is not a federal law - therefore if one is against it for moral or religious reasons it is their choice to abstain.

If someone chooses not to shower a spray of deodorant is usually an adequate temporary solution until they get home for a proper wash.

I do like what you had to say
but everyone is saying that he dose not want to shower
they are just asking for him not to be nude and wear swim trunks
which i dont see anything wrong with that
when i was in high school we were not made to shower you can if you wanted and you did not have to be nude

 

[D_John Arhea]

When I was in High School, showers were not required.

I don't see why they would have been, because (at least in my school...) real exercise was not a requirement either.

Also, some people seem to think that just because you participate in a little PhysEd you're going to reek afterward. Yea...Not true. Any guy in his right mind can put on some Deodorant before and after and not smell in the least.

I think it's kinda weird how some of the guys on here would even think to make showers mandatory. The "be normal like me" attitude that they seem to have is pretty stupid because a normal person in my experience isn't bothered just because other people don't want to do the exact same thing as them. If you want to take a shower, hell, take a shower. I do not, however, see how it would affect you in the least if other kids didn't take showers.

Also, don't even give me that "but omg kids would have to sit next to them and they reek!!"

Sorry that you can't be mature enough to tell a dude that he smells and suggest that he takes a shower, or uses deodorant. You don't have to be mean about it, you don't have to force him, but most guys would be either smart enough or embarrassed enough by the comment to figure it out and stop smelling.

Seriously though? Again, not everyone smells bad after gym class. Just because some people sweat profusely during workouts doesn't mean that everyone is the same in that way.

Also, religious and medical reasons should always be allowed. Duh, and just because you may not have the same faith as another person does not mean that you can't just respect them and their beliefs. Once again, shouldn't affect you.

Also, this is just me being paranoid maybe but if showers are going to be going on there SHOULD be supervision, and what if the gym teacher is a woman/gay guy.

A school can't discriminate against a person because of their sex/sexuality, so what if there are mandatory showers and the supervisor is someone who gets off on guys?

 

[ShortandSexy]

When I was in high school I did not have to shower and neither did the rest of my classmates. But I will tell you I wish we did. The way we would sweat after playing basketball, I would have risked the embarrassment if it meant not having to smell those smelly bastards.

Then you could do what I do. I would imagine that since I don't stare at their dicks that they wouldn't stare at my dick. You wouldn't know if you didn't look either.

 

[OCMuscleJock]

I purposely scheduled my PE class for the last class of the day so I didn't have to shower. Then again...I didn't go thru puberty till I was 22. SOOOOOOOO I would have felt like a lil kid in a room full of men. I'm talkin' no body hair what so ever as well... none. So I was embarassed. I guess you grow outta things eventually.

 

[ElDorado77]

oc, you look great. seems it was well worth the wait!

 

[D_Cock_Hudson]

In the UK if you did not allow a parent to have their child opt out (or at least have enclosed showers) there would probably be a big fuss made or even legal action. When I was at school it was compulsory and there were some boys for whom it was a great trial.

 

[Kenyth]

There shouldn't be any exceptions made. If nude shower is compulsory for everyone in this school, then everyone must shower in the nude.

People should not be ashame or embarrass of their bodies. If they are, they need to learn not to and be more accepting of others, whether big, small, skinny, fat, white, black, etc.

We are all born without clothes, that is our natural form, clothes are unnatural, why is it such a big deal to be nude.

Hygiene is important, showering in the nude is just common sense. Showering with others is to learn the important value body image acceptance. People need to know being nude is not a sin. It is also about bonding and being equal with your peers.

If people's religious values contradicts the values of this school, they can choose to go to a different school or live in a different country in fact. Don't go into someone else's home and start changing other people's rules to fit yourself. Fit yourself where it belongs.

They do group nude showers in the military as well, this is to ensure everyone is the same, with same core believes, values, no hidden agendas, and a time to bond people together in their most natural form. Also to ensure people accept not only who they are but others as well.

It upsets me when people always bring up the religion card to make exemption from rules. Unlike some other places, most of the Western world cherish having & maintaining the rule of law. Rule is a rule, there can only be changes to a rule but not an exception. It's like that Indian sikh guy who changed years of Royal Canadian Mounted Police's uniform tradition by wearing a turban instead of the usual uniform quoting religious reasons. If his religion stops him from becoming a Royal Canadian Mounted Police than blame his religion, don't blame the Royal Canadian Mounted Police!