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Am I the only one who likes being circumcised ?
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"If you can't take a little bloody nose, maybe you ought to go back home and crawl under your bed. It's not safe out here. It's wondrous, with treasures to satiate desires, both subtle and gross, but it's not for the timid."
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A thread that started out with a simple question has turned into the LPSG version of WWIII - and its outa order!
In this one thread the following crap has been slung by people from both sides -
Rabidly crazed anti-circ brigade
Circ = cruel and unfair parents
uncut = just ughly
circ = child battery
circ = mutilation
foreskin = looks dirty and nasty
circ = sick and twisted practice
circ = rape
foreskin = a burden
circ = sexual abuse
get circ = you are dumb
uncut = weird looking
restoration = lunatics
circ = equivalent to fixing cattle
cric = equiv to a child abusing stepfather breaking fingers
All of the above is in a word - nasty - extreme, innaccuate, childish, inflamatory and abusive. And whats sad is that some of these nasty comments have been thrown about by members who are well educated, caring and normally on other threads really nice people to other posters.
We are all supposed to be adults on LPSG - SUPPORT GROUP note well the words SUPPORT GROUP. Not hate groups or factions - one group, ALL here to support each other.
All this type of extreme nasty behaviour does is inflame and upset people - and put moderate people who also have a right to a view, completely off contributing to the thread which is the biggest shame of all.
In this one thread the following crap has been slung by people from both sides -
Rabidly crazed anti-circ brigade
Circ = cruel and unfair parents
uncut = just ughly
circ = child battery
circ = mutilation
foreskin = looks dirty and nasty
circ = sick and twisted practice
circ = rape
foreskin = a burden
circ = sexual abuse
get circ = you are dumb
uncut = weird looking
restoration = lunatics
circ = equivalent to fixing cattle
cric = equiv to a child abusing stepfather breaking fingers
All of the above is in a word - nasty - extreme, innaccuate, childish, inflamatory and abusive. And whats sad is that some of these nasty comments have been thrown about by members who are well educated, caring and normally on other threads really nice people to other posters.
We are all supposed to be adults on LPSG - SUPPORT GROUP note well the words SUPPORT GROUP. Not hate groups or factions - one group, ALL here to support each other.
All this type of extreme nasty behaviour does is inflame and upset people - and put moderate people who also have a right to a view, completely off contributing to the thread which is the biggest shame of all.
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It's all an illusion
There's too much confusion
I'll make you feel better
If it's bitter at the start
Then it's sweeter in the end
There's too much confusion
I'll make you feel better
If it's bitter at the start
Then it's sweeter in the end
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Sargon wrote:
Wow one sentance and you've made a clinical diagnosis that would have taken a trained professional at least two or three sessions to determine. Hats off to you.
You have provided more than two or three sessions worth of material.
Wow one sentance and you've made a clinical diagnosis that would have taken a trained professional at least two or three sessions to determine. Hats off to you.
You have provided more than two or three sessions worth of material.
Your side REALLY needs to stop playing doctor. Your misdiagnoses are laughable.
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I used to like her, but she hasn't had any good tunes in quite some time.
Damian,
Thank you! I'm totally serious about that. My only criticism is: too much hyperbole, which is your downfall at times. World War III??? Puh-leeze!:biggrin:
I'm officially categorizing you as "neutral," because, to my recollection, no one among the pro-cutters has ever sharply criticized their own. There seems to be an unspoken "Thirteenth Commandment" -- Thou Shalt Not Criticize A Fellow Pro-Cutter! You violated that commandment and therefore you've disqualified yourself from that group.:biggrin:
As for the "simple question," it got a quick answer in post #2:
About the hostility:
The best solution I can devise is for members of each group to police their own. Lately I've been calling out uses of the word mutilation and also for a good while, vile insults. I've even tackled Jerry a number of times; which was personally painful.
I don't think that plan can work, though; I don't think the pro-cutters would or could do it. It would cut out *oops* many of their tactics. Tactics that they apparently think, work. What they seem to think are their best tactics. [Note: The rest of the message is directed to all.] But I'll throw down "The Gauntlet" and present a challenge to the pro-cutters: prove me wrong! I have high confidence they can't. This is one time I'd like to be proved wrong.
Can leopards change their spots?
Thank you! I'm totally serious about that. My only criticism is: too much hyperbole, which is your downfall at times. World War III??? Puh-leeze!:biggrin:
I'm officially categorizing you as "neutral," because, to my recollection, no one among the pro-cutters has ever sharply criticized their own. There seems to be an unspoken "Thirteenth Commandment" -- Thou Shalt Not Criticize A Fellow Pro-Cutter! You violated that commandment and therefore you've disqualified yourself from that group.:biggrin:
As for the "simple question," it got a quick answer in post #2:
... I, for one, am quite glad ...
At that point the question was answered: Matt wasn't the only one. The thread could have ended there. I think the intent was to stir up shit, and if that was the case, it succeeded. No one can disuade me from my belief that the intent was to stir up shit. It's a tread that was never needed.
About the hostility:
The best solution I can devise is for members of each group to police their own. Lately I've been calling out uses of the word mutilation and also for a good while, vile insults. I've even tackled Jerry a number of times; which was personally painful.
I don't think that plan can work, though; I don't think the pro-cutters would or could do it. It would cut out *oops* many of their tactics. Tactics that they apparently think, work. What they seem to think are their best tactics. [Note: The rest of the message is directed to all.] But I'll throw down "The Gauntlet" and present a challenge to the pro-cutters: prove me wrong! I have high confidence they can't. This is one time I'd like to be proved wrong.
Can leopards change their spots?
My favorite Star Trek line of all time!
Here's another, about this thread: "I'll chase him round the moons of Nibia and round the Antares maelstrom and round perdition's flames before I give him up!"
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Dude - thats very fair what you have posted. Like you I just got a bit tired of all the needless nastiness from both sides of the debate. You are very reasoned in your comments - and you will notice that none of the nasty comments I listed came from any of your postings because you are always reasoned and use research and discussion rather than bullying and abuse. Sadly others are not, and some of the comments in this thread are just totally out of order on both sides. Yes the WWIII comment was hyperbole but it made the point...
To be fair Matt Cohen DID NOT mean to stir up shit. Hes a nice genuine guy and just had a happy circumcision experience and wanted to share this and also see if there were others out there who were happy being circumcised.
His question was very simple and did not slag off any uncut dudes. The slide into the mud slinging that has followed has just taken the whole thread completely off course and got extreme and nasty as i know you agree.
Also - you need to differentiate between "happy being circumcised" and "pro-cutters" - whilst im "happy being circumcised", im certainly not some sort of rabid "pro-cutter" and as you know would let any son of mine make up his own mind and would advocate anyone with a foreskin problem to go to the doctor and try and keep it, unless like Matt Cohen and others they actively wanted to be circumcised by choice. These were not ALWAYS my views, but i have listened to what you and others have posted and been open to seeing other sides to the issue and not just my own happy status.
Where i think you and i differ (correct me if im wrong), is that im happy for circumcision to continue being practiced by parental choice and have no issue if a parent makes a private individual descision and wishes it for their own children, i know that you and Jerry hold the opposite view on this matter. I think we just need to agree to differ...
At the end of the day, after all the words and postings, this is to my knowledge supposed to be a SUPPORT GROUP, not a series of abuse / bullying groups.
DJ
Damian, did the term "neutral" sink in?:smile:
You're correct that we differ in the following:
Edit note: I deleted the line "I don't put you [Damian] in the "pro-cutter" group" because the paragraph it referred was completely changed by an edit.
You're correct that we differ in the following:
Jerry and I do differ about "parent choice" and that's one thing that defines an Intactivist. Remember, Intactivism is a cause: we trying to overthrow an Established Order. Even though it's bloodless, overthrowing an Established Order isn't pleasant nor polite.
Edit note: I deleted the line "I don't put you [Damian] in the "pro-cutter" group" because the paragraph it referred was completely changed by an edit.
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OK DUDE
They key thing - is that if someone is happy being circumcised and if they are happy being un-cirucumcised - both viewpoints should be respected - and neither viewpoint is a crime. There are many people out there like me who are happy to be circumcised.
Also circumcision in the US whilst being popular is not a universal dictatorship - there are a lot of happy uncut guys out there too and an open debate on the issue which is healthy and how anything of this nature should be dude.
Extremism - from both sides - is what frightens people....
Bravo!! Bravo!! It is MY favorite quote!! I have so many. Q had so many. Another one : "Why? Why, to give you a taste of your future, a preview of things to come. Con permiso, capitan? The hall is rented, the orchestra engaged. It's time to see if you can dance."
And then way way down the list at post #3 the 'team' jumps in to take the happiness Matt felt and make a U-turn into negativity about being circumcised. Then takeoff....we have cleared the runway for another long battle. All hands battlestations....all hands battlestations....we have someone happy with circumcision at coordinates 5.30. This is NOT a drill. Battlestations. Annihlate them. Whip them out.
I know I can't count sometimes but #3 looks FIRST to me. No one should go to threads were people are happy with what they are and tell them they shouldn't be. Nor complain about being what someone says they are happy being. Because you are in essence robbing that person of their personal joy and acceptance with themselves.
Question of The Day: What is ANYONE who hates disapproves with circumcision doing in THIS thread anyway? It should be full of people who are happy with it. Those who disapprove should be in another thread.
Sargon, for the record, I didn't approve of Mr Finn's comment and still don't due to the "theme" [my term] of thread.
Likewise, pro-foreskin and foreskin restoration threads have had much worse injected into them.
I see no remedy to any of that in a "open" lightly moderated forum. Only the members could do something about it. I think the first thing to do is to end the vile insults. I say again, I have profound doubt that even that can be done; even though I assume all parties would agree it should be done.
Likewise, pro-foreskin and foreskin restoration threads have had much worse injected into them.
I see no remedy to any of that in a "open" lightly moderated forum. Only the members could do something about it. I think the first thing to do is to end the vile insults. I say again, I have profound doubt that even that can be done; even though I assume all parties would agree it should be done.
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