You have skewed what I was saying enough, that all I will say is that that is not what I was saying, it is completely misinterpreted, and I won't be responding to your posts any more.
Am I the only one who likes being circumcised ?
- Thread starter Matt Cohen
- Start date
You have skewed what I was saying enough, that all I will say is that that is not what I was saying, it is completely misinterpreted, and I won't be responding to your posts any more.
Wow... 107 pages!
And all of it filled with the usual obsessive-compulsives that can't sleep knowing someone out there doesn't despise, loath and detest circumcision. VinylBoy it's a fucking 24 hr job. The Fox News of circumcision. 24/7 dis-information.
Quite likely true for cultural reasons. But in cultures that don't circumcise, the opposite would be true.
Don't understand all these new posters coming out for circ when they didn't choose it and don't know different. Yet they love it. Whatever.
Hey I'm not the one who asked a question, got a reply and forgot what question I asked in the first place so decided to pull something out the air...
You have no support for your argument but ethics and morals and because neither is shared as a standard across all societies your argument is genuinely irrelevant.
And this leaves us at 70% to 30% and the world keeps revolving...
You just hate to be proven wrong. You do know that the majority of men really dont care right? It's like saying hanes underwear is crap...majority of men dont care...
- Joined
- Jun 13, 2008
- Posts
- 442
- Media
- 33
- Likes
- 250
- Points
- 363
- Location
- Rainforest dweller
- Verification
- View
- Sexuality
- 90% Gay, 10% Straight
- Gender
- Male
I'll read what the hell I like thanks and comment where I think fit. You could cut the hypocrisy too by not replying to my posts if you don't like them. Nobody forced you too
Quite simply I don't feel strongly enough about it to mount a high horse.
You could express your opinion on the topic, without getting on your high horse. Some here however, feel this is an important issue and choose to forecefully express their opinion and argument for or against. State your case or get out of the way....
But don't try and shut down a thread or dismiss others opinions coz you really coul'dn't care less.
DaveyR
Retired Moderator
- Joined
- Jun 15, 2006
- Posts
- 5,422
- Media
- 0
- Likes
- 30
- Points
- 268
- Location
- Northumberland
- Sexuality
- No Response
- Gender
- Male
You could express your opinion on the topic, without getting on your high horse. Some here however, feel this is an important issue and choose to forecefully express their opinion and argument for or against. State your case or get out of the way....
But don't try and shut down a thread or dismiss others opinions coz you really coul'dn't care less.
There is nothing new at all that can be added to the cut/uncut argument here at LPSG. Every point has been done to death.
I have not tried to shut down the thread. I replied with "live and let live" previously in this thread. That implies respecting other people's opinions which you don't necessarily agree with.
- Joined
- Jun 13, 2008
- Posts
- 442
- Media
- 33
- Likes
- 250
- Points
- 363
- Location
- Rainforest dweller
- Verification
- View
- Sexuality
- 90% Gay, 10% Straight
- Gender
- Male
There is nothing new at all that can be added to the cut/uncut argument here at LPSG. Every point has been done to death.
I have not tried to shut down the thread. I replied with "live and let live" previously in this thread. That implies respecting other people's opinions which you don't necessarily agree with.
Don't think I've heard your opinion on this topic. If I've missed it, you may wish to share one more time.
If you believe strongly in something then "live and let live" is not an option. Where would aparthied policy be in South Africa if Nelson Mandela said ok we'll agree to disagree!
DaveyR
Retired Moderator
- Joined
- Jun 15, 2006
- Posts
- 5,422
- Media
- 0
- Likes
- 30
- Points
- 268
- Location
- Northumberland
- Sexuality
- No Response
- Gender
- Male
Hardly comparing like for like
Now unless I need to come back to this thread as a Mod for any reason I won't be back to post as I have nothing to say on the matter. It's just not important to me enough.
- Joined
- Jun 13, 2008
- Posts
- 442
- Media
- 33
- Likes
- 250
- Points
- 363
- Location
- Rainforest dweller
- Verification
- View
- Sexuality
- 90% Gay, 10% Straight
- Gender
- Male
Hardly comparing like for like
Now unless I need to come back to this thread as a Mod for any reason I won't be back to post as I have nothing to say on the matter. It's just not important to me enough.
blah blah..still no opinion or discussion of the topic. Why ever make a comment in the first palce if you never intended to enter the discussion.
Hardly comparing like for like
Now unless I need to come back to this thread as a Mod for any reason I won't be back to post as I have nothing to say on the matter. It's just not important to me enough.
The feeling is mutual. Thanks for your contribution, if there was one.
D_Tintagel_Demondong
Sexy Member
One doesn't need peer-reviewed medical publications to know that you're obsessive. Over 90% of your 800 posts are about circumcision. Over 80% of dxjnorto's 5000 posts and about 100% of Sapien's posts (including the very first one)! One needs just common sense to see a disturbing obsession here.
Like Davey, I'm indifferent about the issue. What gets my ire, though, is intentional disinformation, which is as euphemistic as I'll get. Maybe I am compulsive also, because I feel the need to come in here and set the story straight. I'm sure that's why sargon and VB post here also, since I don't sense any bias caused from sexual propensities or compulsions. I just see guys who want to set the record straight and prevent disinformation from catching the eyes of those who are naive and impressionable.
well this is clearly a heated topic. Living in the UK I was totally accustomed to the idea that all guys have foreskins except for a few who belong to strange groups. It was very odd to come across people who rabidly believe that circumcision is best. Mostly I think it is a matter of fashion. Some like tight jeans, some like mohican haircuts. Others like foreskins or not. Thats what it is. Gullivers travels had a war between those who believed eggs should be opened at the pointy end or the rounded end. Just exactly the same thing here.
The points to be said about it though are that the natural state is with foreskin. That's how they arrive. The next is a question of whether it is in the child's interest to conform to the fashion for having your foreskin cut off. I have to agree that this is one of those things which if it was not already established would never be permitted. Its popularity in the US (and once to a lesser extent in the UK, my father was circumcised) comes from a time when all sorts of medical practices were allowed which are now banned. But there is some peer pressure to continue the practice...because thats what we do. No one but no one wants to admit that something they have been doing for generations is wrong.
From what I read it would seem to be a slowly dwindling practice in the US. Perhaps because health care is ridiulously expensive, though the private model of health care has clearly also helped keep it alive whereas in the UK people would baulk at paying for a non essential op.
Obviously being brought up surrounded by foreskins, I favour them. Personally I find it a handy aid to masturbation. I never understood the US obsession with lube for masturbation either - just makes everything more messy - untill I had some experience of guys with cut dicks. They masturbate differently because they have to, because they can't use that handy built in fleshligt tube made from a hand enclosing a foreskin. Mr Kellog was perfectly correct that circumcision makes masturbation harder and less likely to come naturally. Some people may still think this a good reason for circumcising. I find it child abuse of the worst sort.
mostly because of chancing upon this debate I found a writeup of a study on the effects of circumcision from 2005. Sorry, didn't think I would be commenting again so didn't save it. It asked adults who had circumcisions at one hospital over a period of time what they thought of the results. Most of these were for medical reasons rather than purely elective. The results were rather mixed. Most preferred their state afterwards, but most also reported some loss of sensation or other issue. So, it would seem that on the whole they were glad to be rid of whatever their problem had been, but did not like the side effects. One thing I thought most significant about the study was that the authors in 2005 said that no one had made a controlled study of this issue at all before they had. So much fuss, but no one has done a proper big study? Now, who stands to gain or lose by finally getting definitive results? Medical studies normally only get done if someone reckons to benefit financially from the result.
Oh, and by the way, Ive had an awful lot of experience by now of how guys of all shapes and sizes naturally masturbate. Uncircumcised guys roll the skin over the head. Circumcised guys either work their hand up and down on the skin behind the head without sliding, or use some sort of lube to slide their fingers over the top. I generally find the first method a slow way to come and the latter sometimes tickles unbearably. Obviously, everyone tries everything they can think of, but thats the pattern.
I'll say something else, too, which relates to another thread I was reading here about guys who like anal sex, or not. I love masturbation. By hand without any other props needed. I was never much taken by anal sex. Maybe this has something to do with not needing that extra aid to getting off. So, while there is some debate now over whether circumcision makes it less likely you will catch HIV, maybe it also makes it more likely you will be indulging in anal sex in the first place. (obviously, I look at this from the gay POV, but anal sex has always been more often done by heterosexuals than gays because there are more of them).
The points to be said about it though are that the natural state is with foreskin. That's how they arrive. The next is a question of whether it is in the child's interest to conform to the fashion for having your foreskin cut off. I have to agree that this is one of those things which if it was not already established would never be permitted. Its popularity in the US (and once to a lesser extent in the UK, my father was circumcised) comes from a time when all sorts of medical practices were allowed which are now banned. But there is some peer pressure to continue the practice...because thats what we do. No one but no one wants to admit that something they have been doing for generations is wrong.
From what I read it would seem to be a slowly dwindling practice in the US. Perhaps because health care is ridiulously expensive, though the private model of health care has clearly also helped keep it alive whereas in the UK people would baulk at paying for a non essential op.
Obviously being brought up surrounded by foreskins, I favour them. Personally I find it a handy aid to masturbation. I never understood the US obsession with lube for masturbation either - just makes everything more messy - untill I had some experience of guys with cut dicks. They masturbate differently because they have to, because they can't use that handy built in fleshligt tube made from a hand enclosing a foreskin. Mr Kellog was perfectly correct that circumcision makes masturbation harder and less likely to come naturally. Some people may still think this a good reason for circumcising. I find it child abuse of the worst sort.
mostly because of chancing upon this debate I found a writeup of a study on the effects of circumcision from 2005. Sorry, didn't think I would be commenting again so didn't save it. It asked adults who had circumcisions at one hospital over a period of time what they thought of the results. Most of these were for medical reasons rather than purely elective. The results were rather mixed. Most preferred their state afterwards, but most also reported some loss of sensation or other issue. So, it would seem that on the whole they were glad to be rid of whatever their problem had been, but did not like the side effects. One thing I thought most significant about the study was that the authors in 2005 said that no one had made a controlled study of this issue at all before they had. So much fuss, but no one has done a proper big study? Now, who stands to gain or lose by finally getting definitive results? Medical studies normally only get done if someone reckons to benefit financially from the result.
Oh, and by the way, Ive had an awful lot of experience by now of how guys of all shapes and sizes naturally masturbate. Uncircumcised guys roll the skin over the head. Circumcised guys either work their hand up and down on the skin behind the head without sliding, or use some sort of lube to slide their fingers over the top. I generally find the first method a slow way to come and the latter sometimes tickles unbearably. Obviously, everyone tries everything they can think of, but thats the pattern.
I'll say something else, too, which relates to another thread I was reading here about guys who like anal sex, or not. I love masturbation. By hand without any other props needed. I was never much taken by anal sex. Maybe this has something to do with not needing that extra aid to getting off. So, while there is some debate now over whether circumcision makes it less likely you will catch HIV, maybe it also makes it more likely you will be indulging in anal sex in the first place. (obviously, I look at this from the gay POV, but anal sex has always been more often done by heterosexuals than gays because there are more of them).
Last edited:
Right. And cutting a healthy body part off a defenseless kid is a story you need to set straight. What a man you must be. No bias there. See if you can find some disinformation there.
I was disinterested, until I heard the kid screaming like he was being murdered in the next room. Just remembering it makes the hairs on the back of my neck stand up, 35 years later.
The American medical community, and the American public, have an even more disturbing, longer lasting obsession. Why is the US the only country which can justify circumcision, while saying that the 'potential' benefits don't outweigh the costs? Are the medical professionals of every other country stoopit? Or are Americans fixated? Circumcision has been a cure looking for a cause in the US since 1870. Now that it no longer cures paralysis, or insanity, or bad hygiene, or cervical cancer, or cancer of the penis, now it 'helps', along with a condom, against HIV. How amazing!
If this was any other body part, or the other gender, removing it would be a crime. Me not looking the other way makes me 'obsessed'. I would rather be obsessed, than complicit, in something which should be as disturbing to others, as it is to me.
Please, name another healthy body part that gets routinely removed, without consent? Why this exception to the normal rules?
Last edited:
The study you describe sounds like this one in The Journal of Urology titled Adult Circumcision Outcomes Study: Effect on Erectile Function, Penile Sensitivity, Sexual Activity and Satisfaction. Although, this study is from 2002, not 2005.
Most of the subjects of this study were circumcised for medical reasons. Only 7% were cut as elective surgery. Even with 93% of the men being cut for medical reasons, fully 38% of the subjects reported harm and were not satisfied with the outcome of their circumcision. One would think that if their condition was so severe as to require medical intervention then a greater number would be satisfied with the operation.
Due to the decrease in sensitivity and loss of erogenous tissue circumcision can also result in a tendency not to use condoms and thus increase the risk of HIV transmission.
Not sure about your last statement - as a heterosexual I much prefer vaginal sex. To me, the vagina was designed to be the perfect orifice for sexual pleasure. The sexual experience is much more sensuous for both.
What if there was a world decree that all men had to be circumcised? Do you think the billions of intact men would care? I think so. Most intact men don't pay much mind to it because it doesn't affect them. Most of the circumcised men that don't care simply because they don't know what they are missing. If they did, they would be concerned. Circumcised men that are informed but choose not to believe and say they don't care are just protecting their psyche.
Play it again Sam................
The American Academy of Family Physicians No valid evidence to date, however, supports the notion that being circumcised affects sexual sensation or satisfaction
So fucking strange the tens of thousands of crazy crazy adult men who have it done are just LYING and hiding the TRUTH about the amputations they've had. I wish you could figure out why.
Pure quackery. It's almost beautiful in it's flawless definition of quackery. It's actually VERY funny :32::32:
Last edited by a moderator:
