Amazed: News from the Gay Front. Mormons conceding; AMA weighs in; DADT repeal coming

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I think it will probably have a great deal of symbolic (and practical) value legalizing gay marriage in D.C., home to the White House, Capitol Hill, and the U.S. Supreme Court -- where conservative congresspersons and Supreme Court justices would be able to witness, and live with, the non-threatening nature of gay marriage first-hand.
 
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I think it will probably have a great deal of symbolic (and practical) value legalizing gay marriage in D.C., home to the White House, Capitol Hill, and the U.S. Supreme Court -- where conservative congresspersons and Supreme Court justices would be able to witness, and live with, the non-threatening nature of gay marriage first-hand.

You don't think any of them actually live in DC do you?
 

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Half their staffs are gay as are their campaign strategists and PR flacks. Congress, in general, has no problem with gay people at all. They're sophisticated enough to realize it's a non-issue. Trust me, when these bozos go on junkets to the middle east they're kissing other men and being introduced to their three wives with no problems. They're backing pedo Afghan warlords and a whole host of unsavory people who make queers look like Mormons.

What they do have a problem with is what their constituents think and what the lobbyists want them to do and for how much money.
 

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As Jason_els said above: "I truly believe if Jesus were alive he'd despise their (the Roman Catholic Church's) grotesque hypocrisy and were he the slightest bit divine, he'd will it into non-existence."

One of my professors said when I was in seminary(which I later left) :
"Things have been done in the name of Christ that would NEVER have been done in the name of Jesus."
 

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This story angers me. The D.C. council is supposed to vote in gay marriage next month. That's all that's necessary for that district. Plus a signature by the mayor, who says he'll sign. All the votes are there. A done deal.


But now, the Catholic Archdiocese (& Catholic Charities) is saying it will stop all social programs in D.C. (food, clothing, shelter for the poor, etc) if gay marriage is voted in.

Catholic Archdiocese In D.C. May Stop Social Service Programs Due To Gay Marriage Bill

This makes my head explode. The level of blackmail, the hatefulness of the motive, much less the action, makes me homicidal.

This kind of thing reminds me of something I saw on the news one night a long time ago that has stuck in my head. It was mentioning things that two churches were doing. One of them (I think they were Baptist) were protesting against gay rights; the other (I forget, but it was one of the mainline Protestant denominations) was providing food to homeless people.

I know which one I'd rather be associated with! The one showing kindness rather than hatred!

And I hope that the Catholic church doesn't stop the social programs because of the gay marriage vote. A lot of people will suffer if they do. And if gay marriage had been voted against, that would be bad for a lot of people as well. Ideally, there would be a combination of "Yes" on gay marriage AND keeping the programs to help the poor.
 
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So, here we go again.

NY may have lost the gay marriage battle in the senate, but it appears that NJ is going to be voting next week on a gay marriage bill.

If anyone knows where the (approx.) vote count currently stands in the NJ legislature, please post. I haven't been able to find info.

Since Corzine is out and Christie is in next month, this must pass now or it'll be at least another 4 years before a shot at a governor who will sign.

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Gay marriage bill up for vote in NJ next week

TRENTON, N.J. – A bill to legalize gay marriage in New Jersey will be posted for a vote next week.

Sen. Ray Lesniak, a member of the Senate Judiciary Committee, says the bill is scheduled to go before that committee on Monday and will be voted on by the full Senate next Thursday.

Garden State lawmakers who support the idea have been reluctant to post the bill for a vote unless they were fairly certain it would pass. Both houses of the Legislature must pass it before it goes to the governor.

Outgoing Gov. Jon Corzine has said he would sign a gay-marriage bill into law. His replacement, Gov.-elect Chris Christie, takes office next month and says he would veto it.

Gay marriage bill up for vote in NJ next week - Yahoo! News
 

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I'm not that much up on New Jersey politics but ask Jason. He'll know. :wink:

Not to quote a quoter, but fingers crossed.

I have no idea what its chances are in New Jersey. Sorry, I don't pay that much attention to NJ politics.
 

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Here's what I could find online.

The vote to get the NJ gay marriage legislation out of the Senate Judiciary Committee is going to be on Monday (the 7th).

Senate Judiciary Chairman Paul Sarlo (a democrat) told a Trenton reporter: "I think I've got the votes in committee."

He "thinks". Ok. That's hurdle #1.

Then, on Thursday, there's a senate vote. 40 members in that body. Democrats have a majority by a 23 to 17 margin.


In one article dated a couple weeks ago, I found this sentence: "Lawmakers and gay rights advocates alike have agreed they feel they can get a measure through the General Assembly."

So, I guess the General Assembly (democrat majority, 48-32) vote follows the senate.

That same Senator Paul Sarlo, according to an AP article, admitted "no one is sure yet there is a majority in the senate." (So, I guess we find out Thursday)

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Apparently the votes were there before the election, but since the election, there's this ominous reportage from the New York Times:

Just weeks ago, Democrats, who control both houses of the Legislature, spoke confidently about their intention to pass a marriage-equality bill after the election and send it to Gov. Jon S. Corzine, a fellow Democrat who had promised to sign it even if he was not re-elected.

But when lawmakers returned to Trenton on Monday for the first time since Mr. Corzine was defeated by Christopher J. Christie, a Republican who opposes gay marriage, a few Democratic legislators appeared to be wavering in their support, setting off an emotional blitz of lobbying and backroom bargaining.

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Oh, this is cute. A NJ senator commenting on the NY vote:

&#8220;But this is not the New York Legislature,&#8221; democratic Senator Lesniak told Jersey activists yesterday. &#8220;The New York Legislature is dysfunctional. We&#8217;re better than that...God be willing, we&#8217;ll have 21 votes.&#8221;
 
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Nick8 and Jason.

This New Jersey gay marriage vote is in three parts.

1) it has to get out of the Judiciary Committee

2) it has to pass the Senate with at least 21 votes (a majority).

3) it has to pass the Assembly with a majority.


Everyone in NJ seems to agree that it will easily pass the Assembly, but the Judiciary Committe and the Senate votes are uncertain.

Well, today, the first hurdle was overcome. It needed 7 votes to get out of committee and the final vote was 7-6.


New Jersey gay marriage bill clears state Senate Judiciary Committee; full Senate vote is next

New Jersey gay marriage bill clears state Senate Judiciary Committee; full Senate vote is next

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So, a full senate vote is next on Thursday. If that passes, we're home free (the Assembly is expected to pass; & Corzine says he'll sign).

It's kind of like the New York senate vote, redux.
 

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Even if gay marriage has stalled in NY and NJ, gay rights seems to be rolling along in other parts of the world:


Mexico City allows gay marriage with landmark law

MEXICO CITY (Reuters) – Mexico City became the first capital in Catholic, often macho Latin America to allow same-sex marriage on Monday when city legislators passed a law giving gay couples full marriage rights.

The legislation goes further than a 2006 city law allowing civil unions by giving gay couples access to the same family social security benefits and joint loans as straight couples.

In a last-minute measure, the city's left-dominated assembly overcame conservative opposition to allow gay couples that marry to adopt children.

Activists in the chamber burst into cheers. Some gay men and women hugged, exchanged kisses and waved rainbow-colored flags that have come to symbolize gay rights.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20091222/wl_nm/us_mexico_gaymarriage_4

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and

First government-backed gay bar opens in China


HOMOSEXUALITY, once considered a mental illness in China, has now been embraced with the opening of a government-backed gay bar.

Gay men and women find it difficult to come out to their friends and family. One of the reasons lies in the nation's one-child policy, which makes parents rely on their only child to marry and produce grandchildren.

The official China Daily newspaper said in 2005 that the number of homosexuals in China came to around 30 million, although it conceded few were willing to acknowledge their sexuality.

http://www.news.com.au/travel/news/first-government-backed-gay-bar-opens-in-china/story-e6frfq80-1225812789521?from=public_rss
 

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Super! I know a gay man from Mexico who left because they were against gays there. This is definite good news and a nice Christmas gift for all.

Depends upon which part of Mexico. 'Mericuhns have such a distorted and outdated view of Mexico that I've yet to meet anyone, except for Mexicans, who knows that Mexico is generally a gay-friendly country. Just as one wouldn't expect to have the locals embrace the rainbow flag in central Alabama and Mississippi (just pickin' places that sound back-woodsy), you're not going to receive the blessing of locals in small agricultural pueblos and some States in Mexico. However, Mex. D.F. -- even after the major incident known as the 41s back in the 1940s when the mayor decided to go anti gay by arresting a bunch of men and their drag consorts at a famous local bar -- Mex. D.F. was still a very open and out city for gays from all over the world.

By the mid 1960s it was once again possible to go out and drink (and fuck) with one's buddies in public cantinas that courted gay clients. Chapultapec Park was, until recently, the most notorious place to cruise. Now it is dangerous for just about everyone, especially tourists lost outside of the anthropology museum. (A must see, by the way.)

People still remember the 41 guys arrested in the early 1940s and despite what gabachos think, Chilangos have generally been very sympathetic toward gays and the weirdness that gripped the country during the 40s and 50s. It was the same weirdness expressed in most large cities around the world. But Mexico has a rich gay history of not just tolerance, but having been one the biggest destinations where gay men and women came from all over the world for the simple freedom to exist unmolested by their own countries.

Recently, a gabacha from Colorado who we call PT (for pretentious bitch), suggested that it was ironic that The Squeeze and I had come to Mexico for a volunteer work vacation. "It's such a macho society, don't you feel persecuted?" By her, yes. But that same week the front page headlines announced the same sex partner law. It has yet to go into effect. But PT, as most 'Mericuhns who show up down here, doesn't read any of the daily papers and assumes that the 'Mericuhn Dollar should be coveted and worshipped by the locals. It isn't. In fact, they're rather tired of putting up with northern arrogance AND, amusingly, Europeans (lots of French and Germans) who are called Euro-chingas.

Maybe your gay Mexican friend just has problems with living in Mexico and feels that his life will be better in the USA. Can't say. But even in Oaxaca, gay kulture is alive and well and WAY tolerated. Puerto Vallarta is now the de facto gay resort of Mexico. White parties are held in Cancun. And the old cantina where the 41s (los catorce-unos) were arrested is still in business from 10:00 AM to 12:00 PM as a watering hole for gays and straight local businessmen. And it's only one and a half blocks from the presidential palace and the historical cathedral, a half block from the Zocalo. Same clientel since it first opened its doors in 1855. I think that sort of predates Stonewall?
 
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