America-bashing is not cool

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Ummm, George didn’t say he personally saw them there, he was going by intelligence reports and the fact that we knew he had them and never proved he got rid of them as he agreed too do. If you remember he claimed he got rid of them but couldn’t prove it because the records were in one of the buildings Clinton bombed.

On top of that, neither you nor anybody else knows for certain whether or not they were exported/buried/destroyed while we were preparing for war.

Either way, you have zero proof George lied about anything and would look much more intelligent if you quit pretending you do. :rolleyes:

Yes there is proof. He was given other over-whelming intelligence that there weren't any WMDs and he ignored it. So, he lied. Period. End of story. He should be impeached but right now but we have that gutless wonder in the House "Nancy Pelosi" who won't go for it.
 

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I'm glad we don't need outsiders to bash us, when we have plenty of Americans bashing each other.

And the die-hard party loyalists are most of the problem. They are willing to accept the corruption and unethical behavior within their own party, because it's better than the corruption and unethical behavior in the other party.

Two politicians, one republican and one democrat, each take a K Street payment for a particular vote on a particular bill. The republican voter denies a wrongdoing and supports the republican politician and villifies the democrat; the democrat voter denies a wrongdoing and supports the democrat politician and villifies the republican. It's pitiful, really.
 

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Hmmmm . . . Bush lie? He publically stated he would fire anyone in his administration who was responsible for the outing of a CIA operative to the press (I forget her name at the moment). Then it is now known to be true that Dick Cheney and Rumsfeld were in cahoots on leaking her role in the CIA. They have admitted as much. Rumsfeld eventually stepped down, but not because of leaking State secrets. And I haven't seen El Busho fire or ask for the resignation of Cheney. So, until he takes action on his promise to fire and prosecute traitors working in his administration, Bush is lying. But hey, that's nothing new.

Madmoiselle Rouge is a "laid back" Republican? Well, that's enough for me to never want to fuck her, even with someone else's dick. Beware of Republican cooties. Ew, fer ick!
 

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I'm glad we don't need outsiders to bash us, when we have plenty of Americans bashing each other.

And the die-hard party loyalists are most of the problem. They are willing to accept the corruption and unethical behavior within their own party, because it's better than the corruption and unethical behavior in the other party.

Ain't that the fuckin' truth, brotha.
 

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Yes there is proof. He was given other over-whelming intelligence that there weren't any WMDs and he ignored it. So, he lied. Period. End of story. He should be impeached but right now but we have that gutless wonder in the House "Nancy Pelosi" who won't go for it.

Lets try this again ….

George didn’t say he personally saw them there, he was going by intelligence reports and the fact that we knew he had them and never proved he got rid of them as he agreed too do. If you remember he claimed he got rid of them but couldn’t prove it because the records were in one of the buildings Clinton bombed.

On top of that, neither you nor anybody else knows for certain whether or not they were exported/buried/destroyed while we were preparing for war.

Either way, you have zero proof George lied about anything and would look much more intelligent if you quit pretending you do.


….. and see if you can actually comprehend it this time starting with rational thought! It was not for George to figure out which reports were true and which were not, it was Saddam that made an agreement to prove it and he never complied!
 

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Yes there is proof. He was given other over-whelming intelligence that there weren't any WMDs and he ignored it. So, he lied. Period. End of story. He should be impeached but right now but we have that gutless wonder in the House "Nancy Pelosi" who won't go for it.

Did she reject it??
 

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Actually, our strength as Americans comes from our freedom to even have this debate. The fact that we have "sides" in this country and people who care about the direction of the country is a good sign. In-fighting is our political process. It was never an organized tea party even back in the beginning. We protect the right of others to be "wrong" or disagree.

I would never take away the right of a Republican Conservative to spout out their views, no matter how wacky I think they are. That's our strength.

This administration screens it's crowds carefully to weed out dissent so that GWB never has to hear the "plebians" complain about his policies or lies. There is the danger of the last 8 years. The silencing of dissent.
 

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Did she reject it??


No, she is smart enough to know there is no case to pursue but don't tell the liberals-without-a-clue here that because I love seeing them constantly showing their stupidity repeating it over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over …
 

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Oooooo! Big red letters and all. That must make your post extra-relevant.

Of course he didn't say he personally saw them there. That is a ridiculous statement since we don't send our presidents to gather intelligence.

We DO ask them to discern what intelligence is true and what intelligence is false. That is an executive function. The fact is that he ignored vast amounts of intelligence telling him that there were, in fact, no WMDs in Iraq. That is the truth. He chose to believe his own biased "intelligence" and delusional thinking. And he told his lie to the American people in order to gain support for War. That is an Impeachable offense.

He lied. The proof is there and easy to see. We invaded and behold! No WMDs. He lied.

And I don't need big red letters to tell the truth. (Someone is compensating for something.)



Lets try this again ….

George didn’t say he personally saw them there, he was going by intelligence reports and the fact that we knew he had them and never proved he got rid of them as he agreed too do. If you remember he claimed he got rid of them but couldn’t prove it because the records were in one of the buildings Clinton bombed.

On top of that, neither you nor anybody else knows for certain whether or not they were exported/buried/destroyed while we were preparing for war.

Either way, you have zero proof George lied about anything and would look much more intelligent if you quit pretending you do.


….. and see if you can actually comprehend it this time starting with rational thought! It was not for George to figure out which reports were true and which were not, it was Saddam that made an agreement to prove it and he never complied!
 

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Just so ya know, there are many of US that don’t think the government has made bad decisions.

Down to about 20-30% of the population at most, but--hey--that is 60 to 90 million people who as blinded by ignorance and ideology as the current presidential administration.
 

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History will see those decisions more favorably, they always do. People who live during the times of these presidents always have horrible things to say about them. Once someone else takes their place, they will hate someone else worse.

Also false. Yes, Truman and Eisenhower are getting good marks these days. But historians now almost unanimously rate John F. Kennedy lower than at any time since his assassination. Who would have predicted that?