You also went on to say that African Americans have historically and traditionally voted Democrat, since the party represented their issues. However, this election was quite different where the numbers of African Americans who came out and supported obama in 2008, and again in 2012, did not come out and support Hillary. What do you think were the reasons for that?
You also went on to say that African Americans have historically and traditionally voted Democrat, since the party represented their issues. However, this election was quite different where the numbers of African Americans who came out and supported obama in 2008, and again in 2012, did not come out and support Hillary. What do you think were the reasons for that?
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As president Lincoln ran under the Republican party, and at the core philosophy of his race, was the principal of the abolition of slavery.
It was probably in the 1960s, around the time of President Kennedy that African American voters favored the Democratic party, as The Kennedy election was one that further advanced equality for not only African Americans; but for immigrants in general
It was probably in the 1960s, around the time of President Kennedy that African American voters favored the Democratic party, as The Kennedy election was one that further advanced equality for not only African Americans; but for immigrants in general
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No, it didn't--otherwise, you could not have posted this. The pin-headed goobers who were howling with rage about Obama's wins in 2008 and 2012 probably felt the same way you do now. Figure out what to do next and start soon.
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Jz is full of ------------. He's as much as called me a liar, called me a race baiter and hypocrite, and accused me of backpedaling on my previously stated positions. I've provided the link and proved him WRONG.
Not surprisingly he has neither the integrity nor the balls to admit it. Didn't expect he would.
Nevertheless, his words clearly demonstrate that he hasn't changed HIS position either, that "97% of African Americans voted for [Obama] based purely on his race!" Which only further demonstrates the duplicity behind his argument and the racism contained therein, the sum of which suggests that black people were racists in their support for Obama and also racists because they didn't support Hillary with equal fervor.
His argument presumes that factors external to race or racism, which happen to be the same factors THEY use in discounting race or racism among white voters, don't play ANY part in the black vote.
Which is why I called his agenda a twisted one.
It's quite dead. It may be a zombie now but it is dead.
The hatefulness of the electorate in the years to come, we will brace for the violence, the anger, the racism, the misogyny, the xenophobia, the nativism, the white sense of grievance that will undoubtedly be unleashed now that we have destroyed the values that have bound us. We all knew these hatreds lurked under the thinnest veneer of civility. That civility finally is gone.
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To be fair, i don't hate any country, i only know that if you pay more in healthcare cost then in tax to get the same thing and have huge corporations that influence both parties and the news, that things like that suck. You can have low taxes, but if you pay for everything in such a way that you end up with higher costs then civilized places get for better care.... That even sucks more because no politician sees anything wrong with that. Australia, New Zealand, the UK, Norway, France, Japan, Italy even South Africa all have proper affordable healthcare... let that sink in.
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Trump seeks to calm protests -- and reassure own camp
But he also signaled that he would not seek to overturn the legalization of same-sex marriage in the United States.
"It's law. It was settled in the Supreme Court. I mean it’s done," Trump said when asked on CBS's "60 minutes" if he supports marriage equality. "And I'm -- I'm fine with that," he added.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-condemns-harassment-minorities-001659574.html
It's 100% Trump. Maybe you've been missing all the groups he's insulted? How could you though? Does it just roll off you? Well for many it doesn't roll off but is a call for action as evidenced the uptick in hate crimes and hate speech both of which has the tacit approval of half the electorate. Next step is to enshrine those thoughts and feelings in the law. It's bilge alright straight from the to-be leader of the country.
What does "reassure own camp" means, considering the republican platform of this year is the most homophobic of all times? Assuring the "rights" of parents to send their children to conversion therapy and of business to deny service to LGBT citizens, opposing the democratic efforts to include LGBT people in civil rights statutes and overuling the democratic conquest of marriage equality, banning LGBT people from the millitary and trangenders from using restrooms... On what will he concede to his own camp?
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America didn't die, but it does look like a resurgence of Confederate-flag-waving goobers since the election of Trump:
http://time.com/4569635/michigan-cop-suspended-for-flying-confederate-flag-at-trump-protest/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-at-california-veterans-day-parade/?tid=a_inl
http://time.com/4569635/michigan-cop-suspended-for-flying-confederate-flag-at-trump-protest/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-at-california-veterans-day-parade/?tid=a_inl
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You can't take the popular vote within the College system to reflect what a popular vote outside the College system might be.
90 Million not voting is shocking.
90 Million not voting is shocking.
The idea of America...give us your huddled masses.....dead.....
Amid Outrage Over Stephen Bannon, F.B.I. Reports Surge in Hate Crimes
You've blown my 10 free article viewing limit during the general election... actually... you've blown everyone on this forum's (who doesn't have a NYTimes subscription) free article allowance.
Cut us a break man with the NYTimes articles man! Surely their content is mirrored within other forms of similarly propagandistic media sources...
We are held hostage by rural America. We are suffering a Tyranny by the Minority that has taken over all 3 branches of government.
This is the second time in the last 5 Presidential elections that the candidate who got the most votes did not win. But the rigged system goes far beyond the Electoral College. NY has a population of close to 20 million, California, close to 40 million-but the 4 Democrats they send to the Senate are always outvoted by the 6 Senators from Wyoming, North Dakota, and Montana - 3 states with a combined population of roughly 2 million.
Because of gerrymandering, in spite of the fact that far more votes are cast for Democrats than Republicans, the House has a Republican majority.
So a President who lost the popular vote will select Supreme Court justices, who will be confirmed by Senators who represent far fewer voters than their Democratic colleagues in the minority.
The deck is stacked, the checks and balances are gone.
The Founding Fathers made a good start, but they fell far short of perfection. They saw nothing wrong with owning other human beings, and would never think of allowing women to vote. So they were hardly infallible.
To those who fear majority rule , our country protects the rights of the minority. A Republic does not mean that a minority calls all the shots - as if we were living in pre Mandela South Africa.
This is the second time in the last 5 Presidential elections that the candidate who got the most votes did not win. But the rigged system goes far beyond the Electoral College. NY has a population of close to 20 million, California, close to 40 million-but the 4 Democrats they send to the Senate are always outvoted by the 6 Senators from Wyoming, North Dakota, and Montana - 3 states with a combined population of roughly 2 million.
Because of gerrymandering, in spite of the fact that far more votes are cast for Democrats than Republicans, the House has a Republican majority.
So a President who lost the popular vote will select Supreme Court justices, who will be confirmed by Senators who represent far fewer voters than their Democratic colleagues in the minority.
The deck is stacked, the checks and balances are gone.
The Founding Fathers made a good start, but they fell far short of perfection. They saw nothing wrong with owning other human beings, and would never think of allowing women to vote. So they were hardly infallible.
To those who fear majority rule , our country protects the rights of the minority. A Republic does not mean that a minority calls all the shots - as if we were living in pre Mandela South Africa.
In Rural America, the majority won... what you really mean to say is that American urban populations feel like they are suffering from a tyranny by the rural populations because of the electoral college gives them extra weight.
The reality is that urban America has not been able to articulate their message to the point where rural populations can take it seriously.
Well we are supposed to be a country of "one man one vote" and "all men are created equal" and spare me the fake outrage over the gender basing of "man" and "men" that was the words used in those saying, just go with the overall context.
Why should the overwhelming majority of the population have to "articulate their message" to where "rural populations can take it seriuosly" They choose to be "rural" where they are in the "minority"
Why should a million people have to pander to and apease 1000 ???
We are not talking about "rights" per se but how they want the country to be run.
Why should the overwhelming majority of the population have to "articulate their message" to where "rural populations can take it seriuosly" They choose to be "rural" where they are in the "minority"
Why should a million people have to pander to and apease 1000 ???
We are not talking about "rights" per se but how they want the country to be run.
Not every man have one vote, per example, a voter in Wyoming worth more than 3 times a voter in California. And your vote can lose all value in a presidential election if the majority of your state voted in another candidate. Also, an electoral vote can be completely ignored by an unfaithful elector, so votes of thousands can only count if this is of the good will of a few.
I neglected to mention in rural america the main driving force is prejudice, racism and xenophobia. Trump in the early primaries was just an also-ran until he targeted Mexico and that's when he shot out to the top and stayed there. Economics comes in at #2. Diverse urban America has no message of diversity rural America is interested in hearing except shut down the borders à la Brexit.
