America WILL Fall

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  1. stratedude

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    I know now that America will fall. Its no longer a question of "if" but rather "when".

    I just hope that there are strong leaders of good character and wisdom to pick up the pieces so that in the aftermath we can emerge with something that closer resembles what the original founders hoped for.
     
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    Good to see you have great faith in your country. Apparently you lacked something in your upbringing that failed to instill the great American spirit in you. Cheers!
     
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    Chill out, it's not the end of the world...or America for that matter...
     
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    Pssst every great power has fallen. All of them.
     
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    America will not fall. Way too many people have huge stakes in a strong America, stakes that involve very large amounts of money including some rather massive sovereign funds and with that a lot of livelihoods. You can take it to the bank that people do not want to lose the bets they made on America. Stop freaking out and do your job in this equation and that is to focus on figuring out how you can provide your people with health care, education, food and housing at prices they can afford.
     
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    I don't really have any faith in the USA anymore, either. But it has more to do with our insatiable greed and too many people milking the system who shouldn't even be here and big business 'too big to fail' than government healthcare. Sure, socialized medicine is scary because it's totally new to us but look at what these big insurance companies and banks run amok have done. The reigns need to be pulled in if the USA really wants a chance to survive and thrive again.

    I think the healthcare could turn out to be good. Anyway, we won't know until it's put into action, so we need to just wait and see. It may not be what the founding fathers had in mind but I am sure they did not have big business ruining this country, either.

    Banks used to help americans buy homes and cars...now they are out to screw us for every last penny we have with all of their dirty tactics. The big banks are scumbags. If you people are not outraged at what they are doing, then you're not paying attention. Take your business to the smaller local banks. If they have not failed by now, they should be alright to put your money into. I don't think they will repeat their past mistakes...I hope.
     
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    I have the great American spirit. That is why I am holding out hope that it will be rebuilt properly. But it is a fact - it will fall and much sooner than everyone expects just like the mighty USSR. The pieces are in place to make it a certainty. We had a chance to avoid the iceburg but there are two facts we cannot avoid: #1 we hit the iceburg. #2 the damage is sufficient that the Titanic *WILL* go down. It is a mathematical certainty.

    What I am hoping is that the very idea of Freedom that is America does not go out like the cruise industry after the Titanic sank.
     
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    America will change.

    What I am fascinated by is why you think some mythologized historical figures should still be the blueprint for how you run your affairs?

    Are you talking about the Pilgrims or Washington et al, or native Americans even; maybe the bankers and industrialists of the Twentieth Century?
     
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    America has never been a problem with me. I remain optimistic even when things look bleak. However, some of its inhabitants I could do without.

    We can start with the OP. :rolleyes:
     
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    Its not that bad.

    One thing is for certain - the government will be forced to shrink over the next 10 years. Our deficit is way too high, and there is no other way to start paying that down other than reducing spending and the sheer mammoth size of gov't.

    That will be a good thing.

    The present-day politicians on both sides are utterly horrendous. Reducing their size/scope and power is what most Americans want.

    This administration has been a disaster, and coming off of the heels of the last shitty administration, the American public is fed up. I don't remember the politicians being as corrupt and morally bankrupt at any other time in my lifetime.
     
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    Hope you lost it already under W.
     
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    Eurotop40 has hit very close to the target.
     
  13. stratedude

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    Lets talk about GREED for a second here. Greed is the one word that socialists have used to galvanize support against the perceived 'wealthy'. I say perceived because what is the definition of wealth in America? I am middle-middle class and I have lower-middle class and poor friends that think I am rich. They actually believe I have money to burn, really.

    But you want to know the REAL truth? The real truth is that I DON'T MAKE A DIME MORE THAN THEY DO. The real truth is that I live a slightly better life because I make more responsible decisions with my money. Instead of buying electronics, eating out every meal and going to the bar on the weekends, I save that money to live in a nicer neighborhood.

    Thats it. Period. End of story.

    So the truth is that WEALTH is not a pile of money. Wealth is a reflection of certain behavior patterns. Some would call it SUCCESS.

    Some of you may be saying, "Yeah but we arent talking about the middle class like you. We are talking about the RICH."

    What is rich? Upper middle class? I could perceive them as rich. Why not? They have more money than me, right? How about one step above upper-middle class? What is that? Upper class? Many of you may not realize that the classes never end. What are all the people between those that earn $250K per year and Bill Gates?

    Some of you may say, "Yeah but they don't need all that money. Once you hit a certain income level everything else is just excess."

    Really? Do you even think about the cost of doing business for some of these people? While some of you dream of that $250,000 Bently that you will never have in your lifetime, these people are pulling money together to buy a $25 million private aircraft. Oh I'm sure its to cruise around and impress their friends and go on vacation 365 days a year, right? Think again! These are an imperative part of what made them successful in the first place. And think of all the people this 'rich' guy is employing in the process. The aircraft manufaturer, the maintenance, hotel employees etc, etc. That's only the tip of the iceburg.

    Now for the REAL truth again. This is not greed. This is your misperception. You don't like these people. Why? It's because they have what you can never have in your lifetime. That's called ENVY. So its not about GREED. It's really about ENVY. And socialists use envy as a way to get gain power. They use the word "greed" to trigger your envy. They point to businesses that are failing causing people to lose their jobs and CEO's with their golden parachutes to support their 'greed' arguement and to help you justify your feelings of ENVY. But in a PROPERLY FUNCTIONING CAPITALIST system, failing companies are an indication of the OPPOSITE of success - failure. They must fall and make way for success. Bailouts support failure. It takes money away from the people and gives it to the bad failures under the RIDICULOUS idea that its going to save jobs. You want jobs? Support SUCCESS and stop calling it GREED and put a stop to your feelings of ENVY. You'll have all the jobs you need from the successful companies.
     
  14. Industrialsize

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    America is NOT falling, it's RISING like a Phoenix from 8 years of the DEBACLE known as Bush.
     
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    Is it going to fall into the ocean or what. If it does wont it make a big splash :eek:
     
  16. midlifebear

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    Actually, Industrialsize is correct. Things are getting better and can only get better, unless TeaBaggers turn into a Pol Pot Regime and start killing any and all of us who can think for ourselves.
     
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    Hmm, it may have a gradual decline from it's position of pre-eminence - like the UK did - but I suspect it would take quite a while unless something drastic happened (on the scale of WW3 or whatever, lol).

    However, they may find their position as the world's leading superpower gradually eroded by the EU (unfortunately).
     
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    Not likely. EU no. China yes.
     
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    I'd like to agree with you, but the EU is becoming increasingly politically important on the world stage - and its trade regulations increasingly look set to become the benchmark the world is pressured into adhering to. :redface:

    I think many in the US underestimate the EU (and the damage it could potentially do?) because they don't yet see what's happening behind the scenes. China is very powerful now...but I guess we'll see.
     
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    I disagree. While the US will not be the only super power in the future, it won't be because the US has declined. It will be because other countries/blocs have risen.
     
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