America WILL Fall

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just look at the net out-migration and in-migration figures

uneducated[/u]people are abandoning the blues States for the reddest of the red


Fixed it for you. :rolleyes:

"it's the economy stupid"

That worked in 2008, but that won't work now. Welcome to 2010. We have people trying to make it work, unlike last time and the American people notice that. Now, provide solutions or shut your hole.
 
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The Republicans............were pure venom. Theirs was a systematic fearmongering, a nonstop bombardment of misguidings and untruths, an acid bath of panic overlaid with a fine sheen of racism and rage. This is turning out to be easily the nastiest, meanest GOP organization in ages, the house that Karl Rove built, a group shaming their own party's once-noble legacy. Even Reagan, who claimed Medicare would destroy the country, would be stunned at this gang's level of savagery.

The black commie Nazi did it!

 

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And why people can't get that is amazing. Everybody thinks they can actually be that 1% one day....one day....one day.
Just because you have given up on the possibility to create, improve upon, produce and/or sell a product or service that anyone wants or otherwise do SOMETHING in life that could get you to that top 1% doesn't give you right to ruin it for those that have or one day will.

It is the liberal goal to stamp out hope and opportunity and replace it with a boring lifetime of mediocracy for everyone except for those that weasel their way into the new and ultra-powerful government that controls everything.

Think about it.
 

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Just because you have given up on the possibility to create, improve upon, produce and/or sell a product or service that anyone wants or otherwise do SOMETHING in life that could get you to that top 1% doesn't give you right to ruin it for those that have or one day will.

It is the liberal goal to stamp out hope and opportunity and replace it with a boring lifetime of mediocracy for everyone except for those that weasel their way into the new and ultra-powerful government that controls everything.

Think about it.

Quick question... are you part of that 1%?
Because one doesn't have to be in it, in order to create a good or service that people want. In fact, the mass majority of small business owners are nowhere near that percentile. I should know, because I'm one of them.

Please tell me you are... lie to me or something. Because if you're not, that last comment just makes you look pompous for no reason whatsoever.
 
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Just because you have given up on the possibility to create, improve upon, produce and/or sell a product or service that anyone wants or otherwise do SOMETHING in life that could get you to that top 1% doesn't give you right to ruin it for those that have or one day will.

It is the liberal goal to stamp out hope and opportunity and replace it with a boring lifetime of mediocracy for everyone except for those that weasel their way into the new and ultra-powerful government that controls everything.

Think about it.
No, the liberal goal is to hold the wealthy accountable for their station in life. With power and wealth comes social responsibility. Always has, always will.
 

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Just as I've always felt-- Nick at his core is anti intelligence, and represents the greatest threat to this country's rate of progress
The liberal idea of "progress" is to move toward a system where all money flows through the government, who will then decide what you eat, how you travel, what kind of house to buy, what kind of doctor to see, what kind of education to get, what kind of labor to do, what kind of allowance money you'll receive, what kind of funeral you'll have, etc, etc.

Progress to liberals is moving away from a system where the governmemt's only role is to #1 protect us from enemies foreign and domestic, and #2 make sure businesses are operating fairly with and/or against each other in the interest of the CONSUMER (notice I didn't say workers). In this system money, and thus the power and freedoms would be with the people. The businesses compete with each other to produce the best products and services for the best price. Wages for workers are negotiated between the workers and the business. People make money that they earn. Charity is run through non-profit organizations based on need and desire to support such charities.

Liberals don't like the latter system because they have become more consumed with ENVY against those who have worked hard to succeed than desire to succeed themselves. They wish could live their adulthood similar to the way they lived as a child - not much work and everything in life taken care of. They grew up spoiled so they feel entitled to this kind of care by someone bigger than them - in this case the govmnt.

Bottom line is that this kind of government alway oppresses. The socialist system inherently is less free because its a one-size-fits-all society. On top of that government always wastes money and never produces anything better or cheaper than the private sector and entitlements are and EXPENSE that produce nothing except for an easier life for those that don't want to do much. Lastly it takes away incentive for talented people to dream and achieve big things - which is what made America the most powerful contry in less than 200 years of existance. This system caused the collapse of one of the biggest empires since ancient Rome - the USSR.

So don't try to talk to me or anyone else with a braincell about the "progressive movement" being Progressive. Real progress was only created by the founders when they wrote the constitution. Liberals should read it and consider adopting it sometime soon, or at leat we fall like the USSR.
 

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No, the liberal goal is to hold the wealthy accountable for their station in life. With power and wealth comes social responsibility. Always has, always will.
How does taking all the money away from the wealthy count as "holding them responsible"????

Thats like putting innocent people in prison and calling it "making sure they don't break any laws"



"With power and wealth comes social responsibility. Always has, always will"

True. Do you have any idea how many foundations, donations etc that you average wealthy person is a part of? You are throwing the baby out with the bathwater because an EXTRAORDINARILY TINY percentage of wealthy people that do bad things.

The way the founders would say to handle this is simple: publish who is giving to what causes so the public can decide who to support. For example, if Steve Jobs is not giving as much as Bill Gates, BUY A PC INSTEAD OF A MAC. Maybe Steve will get the picture and start giving more. Hmmm. Thats called FREEDOM. Try it sometime.

Have you ever thought about the TRUTH? The truth is that the liberal controlled government could care less about what the rich does for the poor. The liberal government want ALL of that money. They want it for power over you and everyone else. They want to decide for you what is to be done with the money. But more than anything they want all the money so that they can give some scraps out to the poor in order to buy votes. They want to use it to promise special interest groups money in return for blocks of votes. Its never about principles or values to them. Its about the most power, the most money and in turn, the most votes. It the vicious cycle. Meanwhile the poor get more and more addicted to their entitlements which gives them more power. They begin to be the dope dealer to the general public who is now holding a brown paper bag with a cheeseburger in it, crying - "COME ON MAN, I'LLL SUCK YO DICK MAN".

Think about it.
 

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The Republicans............were pure venom. Theirs was a systematic fearmongering, a nonstop bombardment of misguidings and untruths, an acid bath of panic overlaid with a fine sheen of racism and rage. This is turning out to be easily the nastiest, meanest GOP organization in ages, the house that Karl Rove built, a group shaming their own party's once-noble legacy. Even Reagan, who claimed Medicare would destroy the country, would be stunned at this gang's level of savagery.
Thanx Sargon, that was an awesome read!
 

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The liberal idea of "progress" is to move toward a system where all money flows through the government, who will then decide what you eat, how you travel, what kind of house to buy, what kind of doctor to see, what kind of education to get, what kind of labor to do, what kind of allowance money you'll receive, what kind of funeral you'll have, etc, etc.

Progress to liberals is moving away from a system where the governmemt's only role is to #1 protect us from enemies foreign and domestic, and #2 make sure businesses are operating fairly with and/or against each other in the interest of the CONSUMER (notice I didn't say workers). In this system money, and thus the power and freedoms would be with the people. The businesses compete with each other to produce the best products and services for the best price. Wages for workers are negotiated between the workers and the business. People make money that they earn. Charity is run through non-profit organizations based on need and desire to support such charities.

Liberals don't like the latter system because they have become more consumed with ENVY against those who have worked hard to succeed than desire to succeed themselves. They wish could live their adulthood similar to the way they lived as a child - not much work and everything in life taken care of. They grew up spoiled so they feel entitled to this kind of care by someone bigger than them - in this case the govmnt.

Bottom line is that this kind of government alway oppresses. The socialist system inherently is less free because its a one-size-fits-all society. On top of that government always wastes money and never produces anything better or cheaper than the private sector and entitlements are and EXPENSE that produce nothing except for an easier life for those that don't want to do much. Lastly it takes away incentive for talented people to dream and achieve big things - which is what made America the most powerful contry in less than 200 years of existance. This system caused the collapse of one of the biggest empires since ancient Rome - the USSR.

So don't try to talk to me or anyone else with a braincell about the "progressive movement" being Progressive. Real progress was only created by the founders when they wrote the constitution. Liberals should read it and consider adopting it sometime soon, or at leat we fall like the USSR.

It seems as though you dropped out of school after 8th grade, and never got the 2nd part of US History, Post-Civil War... What America actually is, and what you seem to think it is are two vastly different realities. Your opinions are pretty much null and void until you first clue in to this nation's actual history as it happened, not as you wish it had happened.
 
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How does taking all the money away from the wealthy count as "holding them responsible"????

Thats like putting innocent people in prison and calling it "making sure they don't break any laws"



"With power and wealth comes social responsibility. Always has, always will"

True. Do you have any idea how many foundations, donations etc that you average wealthy person is a part of? You are throwing the baby out with the bathwater because an EXTRAORDINARILY TINY percentage of wealthy people that do bad things.

The way the founders would say to handle this is simple: publish who is giving to what causes so the public can decide who to support. For example, if Steve Jobs is not giving as much as Bill Gates, BUY A PC INSTEAD OF A MAC. Maybe Steve will get the picture and start giving more. Hmmm. Thats called FREEDOM. Try it sometime.

Have you ever thought about the TRUTH? The truth is that the liberal controlled government could care less about what the rich does for the poor. The liberal government want ALL of that money. They want it for power over you and everyone else. They want to decide for you what is to be done with the money. But more than anything they want all the money so that they can give some scraps out to the poor in order to buy votes. They want to use it to promise special interest groups money in return for blocks of votes. Its never about principles or values to them. Its about the most power, the most money and in turn, the most votes. It the vicious cycle. Meanwhile the poor get more and more addicted to their entitlements which gives them more power. They begin to be the dope dealer to the general public who is now holding a brown paper bag with a cheeseburger in it, crying - "COME ON MAN, I'LLL SUCK YO DICK MAN".

Think about it.


wooow... You almost had me brainwashed for a minute there... almost.

lol... I hop you copy/pasted that from when you were trolling some other forum recently, because if you wasted your time writing that drivel out just now... well, let's just say "lol" and leave it at that.
 

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Quick question... are you part of that 1%?
Because one doesn't have to be in it, in order to create a good or service that people want. In fact, the mass majority of small business owners are nowhere near that percentile. I should know, because I'm one of them.

Please tell me you are... lie to me or something. Because if you're not, that last comment just makes you look pompous for no reason whatsoever.
You don't get it. The 1% is always the destination - for everybody. I am a small business owner NOT part of the 1% yet. You don't have to be a part of the 1% to have the drive and desire to get there. And maybe I sould have said "create a good or service that people REALLY REALLY want". Because that is one way to do it.

Whats wrong with the truth anyway? My truth is that I provide a service that some people want. Its not a service that I developed or have proprietary designs on. I am not the greatest salesman in the world. I'm not the greatest marketer in the world. I don't have any patents yet.

But my business earns me a decent living.

However, should I blame my lack of Top 1% status on those that are there? A vast majority of them are either great innovators, great marketers or salesmen, or otherwise made some great decisions over the years to get there.

The percentage of people in the top 1% that liberals think justify their hatred of them (for example trust fund babies, lottery winners, lawbreakers) is so small and insignificant that it doesn't justify destroying the fabric of America's free market capitalism. But the truth is that most poor thru middle class liberals believe that they are all corrupt evil people that obtained their riches by stepping all over the poor and middle class. They believe this partly due to their own combination of envy and ignorance, but also because of the team of liberal politicians and media that want to paint that picture in order to achieve their own aganda politically.

Think about it.
 

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It seems as though you dropped out of school after 8th grade, and never got the 2nd part of US History, Post-Civil War... What America actually is, and what you seem to think it is are two vastly different realities. Your opinions are pretty much null and void until you first clue in to this nation's actual history as it happened, not as you wish it had happened.
I got the same liberal brainwashing you did. It was very incomplete and misleading. I have since learned the whole story - the truth. For example: Why do you think there are two different America's? Pre and post Civil War? I know the reason because I went through the same brainwashing you did my friend. I'd love to hear your 'interpretation' of it LOL.
 

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Such histrionics. America survived a 90% upper tax rate in the late 50's, and that was under a Republican Administration. High upper tax rates are the norm under Republicans, the Dems, despite Reago-Rovian dribble, historically have presided over eras of lower upper tax rates.

Daily Kos: 52.38% top marginal tax rate: Eisenhower, King of the Socialists

Nobody likes taxes, but everyone should pay 'em.
 

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The reason that the Mayan calender ends in 2012 is because they ran out of room.

Well damnit that completely ruins my plans of mocking people in this thread! I'll have to come up with a new plan, a better plan! I shall call it...plan B.

In a few short years I'll have amassed a weapons stockpile greater than any of the G7 powers. I'll target the polar ice caps and obliterate them! The world will flood and you insects will drown! Muahahaha :saevilw: