American men are afraid to admit they are Bi or Bi-curious.

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    In other countries such as Brazil men are considered straight as long as they don't take it in the ass. If they give oral of fuck that is okay. I'm sure this is on the down-low.:cool:

    In the former USSR countries I bet many of the gay porno stars are really str8 and do it just for the money.:tongue:

    There was a big (gay) porn star who was really str8 and sucked dick in two movies.:eek:


    Spain allows gay marriage. They are the culture that gave us the word MACHO.:cool:

    I think alot more guys than care to admit are Bi or curious.
    :eek:

    I also agree that sexuality is on a curve and no one is 100% anything. I would have put 5% straight for myself, but that was not an option so I put down 1%.:biggrin1:

    I think the straight guys who put 1% gay are really cool.:wink:

    I know that if a girl were to offer me a blowjob I would probably say no. But I would be curious what it would be like to fuck a girl ( I only did it once, and it did not go well):confused:

    So I do understand str8 guys who sya they are not into guys.:mad:

    But in our culture it is taboo for men to be BI and the HOT thing for girls to be BI.:eek:

    Live and let live:biggrin1:
     
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    I remember how simple sexuality use to be in France for a young unmarried male. As a Frenchman you could suck, fuck, get fucked and pretty much do anything with a guy without being labled. It was a foregone assumption though , that in time when schooling and service militaire were completed, you would marry the woman of your dreams! How enlightened, how pragmatic the French!
     
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    Hmm, lots of disparate points... I'm not really sure what they are all meant to add up to in terms of an argument or position.

    In other countries such as Brazil men are considered straight as long as they don't take it in the ass. If they give oral of fuck that is okay. I'm sure this is on the down-low.:cool:


    Many would argue that's a form of closeting anyway... using a front of 'normative' heterosexuality to mask discussion and acceptance of sexual acts and desires that don't fit within that rubric. It simply becomes the "pink elephant in the middle of the room" that is omnipresent but never discussed.

    In the former USSR countries I bet many of the gay porno stars are really str8 and do it just for the money.:tongue: There was a big (gay) porn star who was really str8 and sucked dick in two movies.:eek:

    That's equally true in the US. "Gay for pay" male porn stars are commonplace.

    Spain allows gay marriage. They are the culture that gave us the word MACHO.:cool:

    Complete syllogism. The passing of a new law by the socialist government has no evident direct impact on those who may practise a culture of machismo, or vice versa.

    I think the straight guys who put 1% gay are really cool.:wink:

    I think that anyone who fills out their profile truthfully is "cool", regardless of their percentages. Why praise someone for putting "1% gay" just because that's how they feel? Does that make them somehow worth more, or "more truthful" than someone who puts "100% straight"? :rolleyes:

    But in our culture it is taboo for men to be BI and the HOT thing for girls to be BI.:eek:

    As per Stronzo's thread concerning the disparate socio-cultural representation and evaluation of bisexuality's "cool" factor with regard to men and women: http://www.lpsg.org/et-cetera-et-cetera/29567-bisexuality-in-females-heterosexual-men.html
     
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    Hey Alex 8 Frasier called, he wan't his Thesaurus back.


    But to prove my point another guy in a post about J.O. buddies claims to be 10% gay and used to suck dick AND sawllow cum.
     
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    Too many points to reply easily. Different cultures define their concept of homosexuality in different ways. For ease of reference most HIV/AIDS workers use the term "men who have sex with men". For many people here in Thailand a guy is gay if he is "passive" or "encloser" in sexual acts with men. He (or often refering to himself as "she") is effeminate and may cross dress and might be transsexual. Generally speaking all sexual orientations here are accepted.

    Same sex activites are very common throughout the world. In the Western countries many of these are termed "experimenting" if occuring in teen years.

    Anthropologically, there are cultures in which boys only become men by swallowing semen.

    Same sex behaviour and attraction is normal and prevalent in both humans and other animals (including birds) - whether exclusive or incidental.

    Yes, I think that many US guys are probably reluctant to admit that they have some same sex attraction.

    I respect people who are honest but (like the reply above) I don't necessarily believe that a 1% er is more honest than a 100% er.
     
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    Though this already a far-flung discussion, the point behind the original post is sound. Lots of research exists which shows that there is a vast gulf between the "self-identified" sexual orientation of American men and their actual sexual behavior.

    Though we'd think that when one's behavior quit conforming to one's identity it would be logical to rethink that identity, but in fact what happens far more often (paging Dr. Freud) is that we rationalize away the behavior and hold fast to our identity labels. ("It's not really gay if I am the penatrator" is but one example of this already cited.)

    Though I am far from an international expert in this topic, I do think that there is some evidence that this tendancy, though far from unknown in other places, is particularly strong in the US, especially in its more conservative regions.
     
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    I've been placing blame on the fact that the US was "founded" by Puritans, who themselves didn't like all the hanky-panky and cultural mixing that was going on in Europe. They wanted to stay as "orthodox-ically" straight & narrow as they could manage, and I think that attitude continues to linger.
     
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    I'm an American man. It's not that I'm "afraid" to admit I'm bisexual. It would be a lie for me to say I'm bisexual. I'm gay. So, I guess it's easy for me to understand why straight guys would say they are not bisexual -- and I do not write this off as "fear" or "lying" or "being closet cases."

    You end your post with the words "live and let live." Does this apply to everyone but straight guys who are just being honest about their heterosexuality?

    Many members of LPSG prove every day that heterosexuality does not necessarily lead to homophobia.
     
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    I'll be careful to 'dumb down' any future remarks I make on your threads.
     
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    And in Great Britain a great many gay men still get married ...
    I think "bisexuality" among females is only tolerated when the girls look like the Playmate of the Month and are conventionally feminine. A fantasy for straight guys ?
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    Was your English teacher from the Ozarks?
     
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    Silly boy Sorcerer, that is not Ozark-Speak , quite simply it is the new American contraction of want and not....put simply, he is saying that Frasier does not want Alex8 to return his borrowed Thesaurus!:wink:
     
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    So you've never had an experience with a female? Of course, there are men who are 100% homosexual throughout their entire lives, and their are men who are 100% hetero also, but both are fairly small minorities. The question being explored, it seems to me, has more to do with whether the social stigma against homosexuality leads the vast majority of men (particularly in the US) to downplay a part of themselves, not whether that then externaizes as bigotry against self-identified homo or bi men.

    As you rightly point out, this board proves repeatedly that "straight" men can be extremely open and tolerant. But a careful reading of many threads will reveal that many "straight" men also have extensive same-sex fantasies and at least some same-sex experience.

    It is not really denigration to notice that "bisexuality" is a category that tends to disappear into statistical overlap, or by being minimized into "purer" identities when behavior would indicate that it is an appropriate designation, that's all. It is worth examining why this happens so much.
     
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    This is an erroneous assumption.

    The original colonizing peoples from England were what's called Anabaptists. The 17th century origins of this sect arose from a revulsion to abuses in the Roman Catholic church in Germany. Eventually it made its way to England and manifest itself in a revulsion to the pomp and circumstance of the Church of England. In ideal it was an effort to purify the Christian faith.

    What we experience today as sexual repression is more likely a result of Victorian social standards in my opinion. Indeed premarital sex in colonial America was not particularly frowned on and many women were married well along in their first pregnancies.

    My sense is that the social sexual contradictions we witness in the States today are a direct result of the United States' tendancy toward isolationism (both geographically and to a degree religiously).

    Only fairly recently (over the last two decades) have things become so overtly distorted when it comes to the application of an unbiased standard to both sexes and an equity in seuxal behavior to both. That, I feel, is a direct result of those in the American hinterlands being given a voice and a forum for proliferation of their generational cloistered sexual repression in the voices of people like Pat Robertson and to the most extreme degree Fred Phelps.

    **oh and by your description of Brazil and the sexuality of it's men;

    In other countries such as Brazil men are considered straight as long as they don't take it in the ass.

    I must be a straight male.:33:
     
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    :biggrin1: :tongue:

    In other countries such as Brazil men are considered straight as long as they don't take it in the ass.

    Yeh...i notice this situation...as long you are not receiving it inside you are not gay...

    But themselves make up this excuse...sooo silly...:rolleyes:

    And because of the many beautiful transvesties that looks so much like women that they may have fun with...they choose to deceive themselves this way..i think....

    Yeh is a macho culture .. the 'passive' one is not looked as macho bcause he is the one giving his ass, receiving the load ....seems the passive is the position of a female...as long im not giving ass im not a 'female' but a macho...

    Go figure...
     
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    Oh....the labels...

    In the past decade I have noticed more men claiming to be "bi-sexual" rather then all out "gay". Looking back about 15 years ago, there were hordes of men coming out as gay and very proud of it. Now, though, it's been my experience (at least in the area of the country I reside) that men are more comfortable with the term "bi-sexual". I'm unsure if this is because they prefer to avoid the "gay" label entirely, desire to still hold on to part of their "straightness" to appease society, if they are actually pursuing members of both sexes, or if they simply want the opportunity to switch back and forth depending on the environment they are in - without being permanently labeled as one or the other. It confuses me all to hell. For example: there is one guy I know who, while in the gay bar will tell people he's bi-sexual and take it up the ass in the bathroom. When I see him in a straight bar he tells people he's "straight", regardless of my seeing him wiping cum off his mustache the night before. This is just one example, but I've noticed this phenomenon with many. I personally don't really care either way, and with women I simply don't pay attention. I just haven't been able to figure it out yet. Maybe all of you can help clear this up for me as...I just dunno.....

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