American men are shrinking; European men keep growing taller and taller

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America's poor state and its declining influence in the world is now also being expressed in the bodies of American men:

Americans shrinking as junk food takes its toll


Poverty and poor diet mean the average US man is getting smaller, while Europeans keep growing taller


Researchers have made a startling discovery: Americans are shrinking. A nation once famed for its strapping, well-nourished youth is gradually diminishing in physical stature.

By contrast, the heights of men and women from Europe are increasing inexorably. The average Dutchman, whose country produces the Continent's loftiest men, is now more than six feet tall - almost two inches above his American counterpart. And he is still growing. Across the Netherlands hotel owners are lengthening beds and raising door mantles to stop the nation's tall youth suffering from irreparable anatomical damage.
According to a New Yorker essay on the subject last week, Dutch ambulances are even having to keep their back doors open on many occasions to allow for the prodigious dimensions of their patients' legs.

New research has shown some unexpected disparities between statures of Americans and Europeans, indicating that recent social changes and diet are major influences on adult height.

For British men, too, are outstripping their transatlantic rivals. At the time of the American Revolution, the average US male was two inches taller than his British counterpart. Today he is almost half an inch shorter.

This surprising reappraisal of American and European physiques is the work of researcher John Komlos of Munich University. 'Much of the difference is due to the great social inequality that now exists in the United States,' Komlos told The Observer last week. 'In Europe, there is - in most countries - good health service provision for most members of society and plenty of protein in most people's diets. As a result, children do not suffer illnesses that would blight their growth or suffer problems of malnutrition. For that reason, we have continued to grow and grow.'

On the other hand, America has eight million people with no job, 40 million individuals with no health insurance, 35 million living below the poverty line, and a population that exists mainly on junk food. There, the rise in average height that marked its progress as a nation through the 19th and 20th centuries has stopped and has actually reversed - albeit very slightly - in recent years. Many Americans are rich and do well anatomically as a result, but there is a large underclass that is starting to drag the country down the stature charts.

This discovery, which has been revealed through research that Komlos has assembled over decades, amounts to an assault on the values of the free market economy espoused by Americans and provides powerful support for those who back European ideas about universal healthcare.

Fluctuations in human stature are not new and have occurred regularly throughout history. Our early hunter-gatherer ancestors were tall and lean. Later, as farming spread across the world, dense populations learnt to live on only a few standard crops and suffered considerable nutritional neglect. The result was a decline in stature.

Similarly, climatic changes have had a profound effect on human height - a physical attribute that is now regarded by historians, scientists and economists as a key indicator of the health of any group of people living at any particular time and place. For example, during the Little Ice Age, in which temperatures plummeted across the world between 1300 and the mid-19th century, there was a noticeable decrease in human stature.

'There are two possible mechanisms for this observation,' said Professor Chris Stringer of the Natural History Museum. 'Firstly, all mammals get shorter and rounder when climates cool. It is a physiological response to cold. Short, round bodies preserve heat better than tall cool ones.
'However, there is an alternative explanation for shrinking stature in bad weather. It means poor crops, and that in turn means malnutrition and, of course, the consequence of that is poor stature.

'Those tiny suits of armour that you see when you visit the Tower of London were worn by people who were badly nourished. During winter they would have only salt meat and a few vegetables to live on. That's not going to help you grow very well.'

Modern society now protects humans from such problems, though in recent years it has become clear that political factors are having some effect on nutrition levels and proper diet and therefore stature. And it is in this arena that Komlos has made his key discoveries.

Through painstaking investigations he has calculated the heights of men at different times over our recent historical past. This shows that, around 1850, Americans - blessed with Western technology that allowed its citizens to spread unstoppably across the United States - lived relatively fine lives that let its menfolk reach an average height of 5ft 9in. By contrast, Dutchmen were only able to reach about 5ft 7in.

By the early 20th century the average American man was still about the same height as his predecessor. But the average Dutchman had nearly caught up and was only about half an inch shorter.
But in the 20th century Americans were overtaken. The average US male is now about 5ft 10in. The average Dutchman is just over 6ft.

More importantly, the latter is continuing his rise in average height. The Americans have long since stopped growing and, according to some measures, may actually be getting smaller. 'In relative terms, Americans are certainly shrinking in comparison with Europeans,' says Komlos.
One possible explanation lies with immigration. As more Mexicans and Chinese enter the US, these individuals may lower the average height, it is argued. But statisticians dismiss this suggestion. During the 19th century the country took in millions of malnourished, and therefore small, people. Yet Americans remained the tallest people in the world at that time.
In fact, the very idea that various peoples are programmed, on average, to be short or tall is thrown into doubt by Komlos's work. Apart from a few rare races, such as African pygmies who are genetically programmed to have low stature, virtually everyone in the world has the potential to reach the same average height as the Dutch, and that includes the Mexicans, Chinese, Inuit, and other peoples who are not usually noted for their stature.

To achieve that status will require some arduous social engineering. The Dutch health service, with its magnificent support services for pregnant woman (quality of life in the womb is a key factor in determining future health and height) and its high-protein diets based on dairy food, will not be easy to emulate in a world whose population is now soaring towards seven billion.


Growth Spurt
The steady increase in the height of British youngsters which began over a century ago continues to manifest itself today, particularly among girls.
According to figures provided by the Child Growth Foundation, the height of the average British nine-year-old girl rose from 4ft 4in (130.6cm) in 1983 to 4ft 5in (132.7cm) in 2003, while the average British nine-year-old boy increased from 4ft 4in to just under 4ft 5in.

'It would appear that girls are doing slightly better than boys, but that may simply be due to the fact that girls are reaching puberty earlier and earlier, and are beginning their adolescent growth spurt before boys,' said Tam Fry, of the foundation.

The increase is also roughly in line with the general trend observed over the past 100 years that the average child is increasing in height at a rate of between four and five inches a century.


Americans shrinking as junk food takes its toll | World news | The Observer
America's Growing Problem

American men aren't responding well to their shrinking stature. "There is no way I want the Dutch towering over the United States of America," said one 6-foot-3 man.

Komlos said height revealed a lot about a country's well-being, including how long its citizens lived and how healthy they were. Researchers said that one reason for Denmark's high ranking could be that the Danish health-care system provides better care to children when they are young, the time of life when most growing takes place.

Another reason for our lag might be the American diet, which is filled with fast food. Overeating can cause kids to produce too many growth hormones too early, which halts growth at a younger age.
Outside a Manhattan McDonald's, young Jacob said the news would make him think twice about going to the Netherlands or Denmark.

"If men here are getting shorter, then I need to move to Denmark," one 5-foot-9 American woman said. :biggrin1:


ABC News: Growing Problem: Americans Shrinking
American women dumping their tiny husbands and moving to Europe to find those tall sexy athletic gods...

I like it.


Ladies, you're welcome. We like American girls. Those tiny Yankee boys can't satisfy you, we all know it. You need a tall Euroman. :wink:
 

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just like the average penis length by country,, where the hell do they get their facts from? i seem to have missed my measurement ... your height has nothing to do with what country you live in...
 

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Ladies, you're welcome. We like American girls. Those tiny Yankee boys can't satisfy you, we all know it. You need a tall Euroman. :wink:

Your definately tall johnshlong....you've got your head in the clouds!....Pick your legs up and drift away into space till you find a decent post and point!
 

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your height has nothing to do with what country you live in...

No, but the state of the country you live in determines in large part how tall, on average, you will most likely become.

This is a rather routine case of socio-medical epidemiology.

Just like it is possible to say that if you are born in Ethiopia, your chance of dieing before the age of 5 is far higher than when you're born in Germany - it is possible to say that American men, on average, are shrinking and European men are growing taller.

If you read the article, the reasons are pretty straightforward and credible: America is becoming poorer (millions of people living below the poverty line) and the stuff it feeds itself with is not very conducive to the healthy growth of human bodies. Both diet and economic prosperity correlate very strongly with all kinds of health indicators.


The same is true, by the way, for the extremely dangerous obesity pandemic in America. Soon, 1 in 3 American babies will be obese before they reach age 3. And this has effects on all types of developmental issues, not the least on cognitive functions. So we can only fear the worst for the next generation of yankees.


America is getting fat, short and dumb. It is the end of a once great culture, expressed in its very biology.
 
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I'll be flamed for saying it. But maybe it's all the immigrants from historically short countries lowering the average. I know a lot of immigrants and many are shorter than the 5'9" American average. Their children can tower over their parents thanks to better nutrition.

The Dutch are the tallest people on average, both men and women. Nutrition (particularly calcium intake to build the structural steel of the body, bones) and genetics plays a role but so does lifestyle. Energy consumed can be put into growth instead of into work. You don't haul 10gallons of water on your head for 3 miles each day just so you can drink.

There's also the anecdotal stuff. Like a 6'5" American guy going to the Netherlands and feeling not so tall in comparison to everyone around him.
 
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No, but the state of the country you live in determines in large part how tall, on average, you will most likely become.

This is a rather routine case of socio-medical epidemiology.

Just like it is possible to say that if you are born in Ethiopia, your chance of dieing before the age of 5 is far higher than when you're born in Germany - it is possible to say that American men, on average, are shrinking and European men are growing taller.

If you read the article, the reasons are pretty straightforward and credible: America is becoming poorer (millions of people living below the poverty line) and the stuff it feeds itself with is not very conducive to the healthy growth of human bodies. Both diet and economic prosperity correlate very strongly with all kinds of health indicators.


The same is true, by the way, for the extremely dangerous obesity pandemic in America. Soon, 1 in 3 American babies will be obese before they reach age 3. And this has effects on all types of developmental issues, not the least on cognitive functions. So we can only fear the worst for the next generation of yankees.


America is getting fat, short and dumb. It is the end of a once great culture, expressed in its very biology.

Alas no power in the history of mankind and there have been many has sat atop the ladder forever. All of them eventually fell. All empires eventually die.
 

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America takes in way more Asian and Mexican immigrants, than any of the mentioned countries in the story.
 

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Alas no power in the history of mankind and there have been many has sat atop the ladder forever. All of them eventually fell. All empires eventually die.

The question the world is asking is this: will the American empire have the courage to fall with grace? Or will it be cowardly and kick as many people in the butt while it is going down?

You know, the style in which an Empire goes through its own decline says a lot - post-factum - about the true nature and value of that empire.

The Byzantine model stands out as the most beautiful way of going down.

The European method - when the nation-states that made up the European Empire quickly started some vain wars in the colonies to hang on to power - would be the example not to follow.
 

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The question the world is asking is this: will the American empire have the courage to fall with grace? Or will it be cowardly and kick as many people in the butt while it is going down?

You know, the style in which an Empire goes through its own decline says a lot - post-factum - about the true nature and value of that empire.

The Byzantine model stands out as the most beautiful way of going down.

The European method - when the nation-states that made up the European Empire quickly started some vain wars in the colonies to hang on to power - would be the example not to follow.

Really, who's taking our place at the top ? Certainly not Burma or China ?
 

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The question the world is asking is this: will the American empire have the courage to fall with grace? Or will it be cowardly and kick as many people in the butt while it is going down?
:eek:fftopic: What's this have to do with how we Americans are becoming midgets?:biggrin1: We won't have far to fall since we're shrinking :rolleyes:


Yah I know midgets is a bad term, the PC term is little people.
 

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The last time I and my family were in the States, we couldn't get over just how small your policemen are.

Proper bunch of short-arses (though the firearms they are packing still makes them more intimidating than a British Bobbie).
 
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Yawn, this country is going to shit, the economy is getting screwed beyond belief, and out of all the things you point out wrong with America is our "poor lifestyle"?

Do some people really have nothing better to do then to gather information, do extensive research, and in the end waste all that time just to find something bad about America? We get it, in the past your country was the whipping boy and we came out on top, but it won't last long, so just go about your life and thank God (or whatever you might believe, if anything) that you aren't American
 

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America's poor state and its declining influence in the world is now also being expressed in the bodies of American men:

American women dumping their tiny husbands and moving to Europe to find those tall sexy athletic gods...

I like it.


Ladies, you're welcome. We like American girls. Those tiny Yankee boys can't satisfy you, we all know it. You need a tall Euroman. :wink:

Is this another promo for HOSTEL, part 3? I will go and see that movie when it comes out.
 
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Yawn, this country is going to shit, the economy is getting screwed beyond belief, and out of all the things you point out wrong with America is our "poor lifestyle"?

The whole world is going to shit ne c'est pas? Is there a place on the planet where the long term prognosis is good? Environment...health....energy...etc..etc?
 
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The whole world is going to shit ne c'est pas? Is there a place on the planet where the long term prognosis is good? Environment...health....energy...etc..etc?


well, at the rate we're going, we'll all be dead before it gets REALLY bad

Eh, I don't know though, something might come along that will revolutionize health or something, but I ain't a prophet
 

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America's poor state and its declining influence in the world is now also being expressed in the bodies of American men:

American women dumping their tiny husbands and moving to Europe to find those tall sexy athletic gods...

I like it.


Ladies, you're welcome. We like American girls. Those tiny Yankee boys can't satisfy you, we all know it. You need a tall Euroman. :wink:
The thing is they want men, not a boring one-noter thing like you.

I'll be flamed for saying it. But maybe it's all the immigrants from historically short countries lowering the average. I know a lot of immigrants and many are shorter than the 5'9" American average. Their children can tower over their parents thanks to better nutrition.
Who blabbed about my height? Names! I want names!


And you forgot to include bald too !
That's hair follicle challenged.


What's this have to do with how we Americans are becoming midgets? We won't have far to fall since we're shrinking


Yah I know midgets is a bad term, the PC term is little people.
I thought the new term was height challenged.


Yawn, this country is going to shit, the economy is getting screwed beyond belief, and out of all the things you point out wrong with America is our "poor lifestyle"?

Do some people really have nothing better to do then to gather information, do extensive research, and in the end waste all that time just to find something bad about America? We get it, in the past your country was the whipping boy and we came out on top, but it won't last long, so just go about your life and thank God (or whatever you might believe, if anything) that you aren't American

Finally someone offers the good news! With the economy tanking there is less money for food so the new American being shorter will need less food-problem solved!