Americans keep getting fatter

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  1. mikeyh9in

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    Another article stating that America keeps getting fatter...

    New Report: U.S. Obesity Rates Keep Rising, Except in D.C. - DailyFinance

    An interesting point in the article shows that the Southern states have the highest level of obesity, while the Western and Northeastern, the lowest. So, the most Republican states, are also the fattest. Democratic states are the least obese.

    The same negative trend holds for diabetes and hypertension.

    Does anyone know if studies have been done on the relative healthiness of Republicans vs. Democrats?

    My un-scientific observations of the "Tea Party" rallies (the cranky Republicans), I see a great deal of fat people. Why do you think this is?
     
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    Because sitting on your ass all day waiting for your marching instructions from the angry guys in the little electric talking box doesn't burn many calories.
     
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    I think the divide is mostly poor/wealthy. Poor people are more likely to be obese/fat than the affluent. Reason being that bad/empty calories are a whole lot cheaper than calories derived from good, healthy stuff like fruits, veggies, lean meats, etc.
     
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    In this culture, if there is such a thing as an American culture, people empower one another to accept themselves the way that they are. That's not very conducive to motivating self-change or self-discipline. As long as you're not part of that culture, America is a nice place to live.
     
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    That's usually the universal identifying mark of someone who's never lived outside the US. Not only is there plenty of American culture, but most things Americans call "european" are purely American.

    Whether people want to believe it we generally have the best of everything and access to it for the cheapest prices. No one lives as well as we do in terms of housing, food options, availability of music and media and performing arts, etc.

    That said, we also work more than anyone else, get paid less than most other developed countries for that work, and spend the least amount of our days enjoying life.

    I would agree that the primary differentiating factor on obesity in the US is poverty as poor people in poor neighborhoods tend to be limited to the cheap high calorie foods available to them.

    What studies like this don't show is that we also have probably the biggest percentage of people into things like bodybuilding and fitness. And, that we don't have anywhere near the problems with alcoholism and smoking and such that say the UK has.

    The main issue we have here regarding obesity is not really to do with food so much as it is to do with the fact that we spend too much of our day working or in class, and then because we've been duped into transforming our nation into a purely car culture, we never walk anywhere.
     
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    There is a huge difference between having the self-awareness enough to recognize one's limitations and embrace them as part of your whole being and the lazy, rather flatulent way you've described it above.

    Hows about a little nuance?
     
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    No, I only lived in other countries for 6 years of my life, lol.
     
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    Of course, it's easier to recognize your limitations when everyone tells you that your limitations are what make you special. I guess we're all special.
     
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    Obesity is a world problem and not a peculiarly North American one; China and the UK are experiencing this new phenomenon too, but for different reasons. Rich Chinese think it is classy to eat like Americans, the British are getting fatter because they now have to compete with China in world food markets in paying much higher prices for their British beef, fish (thanks to Thatcher for selling off the UK fisheries). An irony as we are an island with the richest pastures set in a sea full of cod, haddock and salmon.The poor in the UK used to eat well, now they are at the mercy of junk food corporations (it isn't "fast" - it has been so adulterated that it bares little resemblance to whole food.)

    Sorry to disillusion you but while North Americans do work longer hours they do not work harder. There is some cultural brain washing going on here. How many times in US made tv programmes do the protagonists resort to "sending out" for food. If you are poor you will emulate the habits of wealthier people. While you wait 30 minutes for the takeaway you could have made a cheap and nutritional meal devoid of saturated fats, chemicals and preservatives - likely there will be no rat droppings in it too.
     
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    Wow, that's an impressive display of non sequiturs!
     
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    lol wut?
     
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    you're right, obesity, contrary to popular belief is not completely totally tied into poor versus rich. It's just an excuse really. I can totally see obesity expanding to other cultures though. There were just specific reasons for it appearing in North America first...
     
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    Well I've spent about 15 years working in various countries including the UK and from my own observations Americans work harder and more than anyone else (in the developed world) and probably reap the fewest benefits and usable wages from that work.

    Canada is second and the UK third in my opinion. All three of our countries really work too much. Especially when you compare to the major difference when you cross the channel into Europe where work is more like a hobby that occurs somewhere between toast and jam and afternoon beer. The Europeans aren't the most productive lot, but they certainly enjoy life much more than we do.
     
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    Americans? Obesity rate increase is something that lags behind economic growth, particularly among lesser developed nations. Any country you see that has a spike in consumption (as measured by things like GDP) will have a similar spike in obesity.

    It's really weird when Americans try to single out their own country for being "crappy" or highlight (and exaggerate) only the negatives of American life.
     
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    I do a decent amount of work in international development and really this is a global problem. The US actually ranks 3rd in the majority of studies behind Saudi Arabia and the UK for obesity. And in others the US and UK trade places for 1st or 2nd. For most American generated polls the US comes in at 1st because the definition of obesity here is stricter and also the reporting of data is a bit more precise usually.

    But really lots of countries where the workplace takes precedence and you see a move away from public transit and toward cars, you are seeing obesity problems.
     
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    unfortunately'
    Yes' i believe so
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    Time was the poor were sick of fish because it was the cheapest food out. This was becaue you only needed a dingy to catch it and more was landed from little boats operating near the coast than now is landed by giant ships operating wherever they think best. Whoever now controls it, the fish is now veering on the edge of extinction. It is not that someone else is eating it.

    far better when they used to add anything they fancied, plus the rat droppings, to the bread then? Consumer food laws have made an enomous improvement in food. We poison ourselves by overeating not from the rubbish victorians might have found in theirs. The basic quality of food in the Uk and US is fantastic. The problem is what we choose to eat.

    Wikipedia lists the US average per capita gdp at around 46,000 nominal dollars (9th) and the uk at around 35,000 (22nd). Denmark 56,000 (5th), Portugal 21,000 (32nd). For some reason Ireland is listed high at 51,000 (6th), despite it currently being in the middle of massive government cutbacks. Maybe the statistics havn't caught up (or maybe they have!). The USA is on 1772 hours worked, UK 1654, Ireland 1541, Denmark 1423, Portugal 1675. The socialist Danes seem to be doing something right. I couldnt find a figure for average income, so although the average share of GDp is higher for the US than UK, it might disproportionately be going to the rich? They have some obesity number of 9.5% Denmark, 13% Portugal, 13% Ireland, 23% UK, 30% US.
     
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    In the US the issue tends to be that the value of wages is considerably lower even than say the UK because we have this weird ideal that government should do as little as possible. So that leaves us with no trains or trams, no free universities, no free healthcare, no guaranteed vacations, etc. Basically even though Americans work more, they have less job security, and because they have to spend so much more of their personal income on things that are basics of most developed societies, they end up with less ability to enjoy the fruits of all that labor.
     
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    I thought this trend was beggining to change, I mean I know Germans want to switch from theirs to our educational system, and most countries are getting rid of their siestas in favor of more American type schedules...right?
     
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    thats sounds like a lot of sense actually. From what I hear free healthcare free universities and more mas transit take a gargantuan chunk out of the gov't budget, which is why I hear taxes, getting your license and stuff like that is astronomically more expensive in Europe than it is here? It most certainly is a different style
     
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