Americans, Males, and the Penis

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  1. D_Golley Thatsbig

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    Why do you think Americans are so "tight" about men's penises, bodies and male interaction. If you watch television shows from other countries you see guys in reality shows walking around with erect dicks, athletes exposing themselves or having wardrobe malfunctions, nude male actors, etc. Sometimes in Latin countries they even have male strippers on TV during the day, guys walk around in thongs, and you can even catch them laying on the beach in the nude sometimes. In some countries men can be buddy buddy hug, kiss, grab each, play around and be perfectly straight and no one bothers them or really gives it a second thought. But over here if someone sees a guy in public with no underwear on it's like a huge traffic stopping event. When black track stars are shown on TV they even pan the camera up for front shots so that you won't see the good bits in motion. I didn't know that their legs were on their shoulders. Very rarely do you see soccer matches on regular television where guys are notorious for wardrobe malfunctions and showing bouncing bulges or wrestling (real wrestling not that fake shit) where guys are always popping boners. And if a male actor shows frontal nudity in a movie (no matter how brief) people debate about whether to leave it in the film for months. But yet we see endless ads for ED drugs and plenty of implied or simulated sex in television and movie scenes. And also why is it now that if two men spend too much time together or seem the least bit chummy, everyone thinks that they are gay. Two men can have a close relationship and not be banging each other. The comradery between two male friends can be one of the most rewarding experiences. Yet many guys are missing out on that now because they don't want people thinking they are gay. Why do you think we are so close minded and up tight over here while large portions of the rest of the world seem to careless?
     
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    Look to the original settlers. Plenty of insight to be had there.
     
  3. dannymawg

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    Indeed... the bulk of which were outcasts.

    Capitalism breeds competition. Competition dictates that one does not show weakness. Weakness somehow got over-associated with m/m affection.

    I've often wondered what happens in the country club locker rooms of our nations' Old Boy Network... where does a CFO go to get an anonymous blow n go?
     
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    Anywhere they like.
     
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    Exactly. Puritans still live among us. Genitals are "dirty".
     
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    In America, maybe a century ago, everything, but really EVERYTHING, was driven by religion. Not only in United States but also in Canada. You were told in church that sex was dirty and if you even enjoyed it a little, you would burn in Hell. Life was very difficult here compared to Europe and if americans (and canadians also!) spent their time thinking about sex and masturbation, things wouldn't go well for the nation! We were lied about a lot of things.

    The second thing is because of the head of the country. Actually, both in Canada and United States, we have a very conservative american President and an equally conservative canadian Prime Minister. Harper even proposed to cut the funding to movies and tv programs where there was to much "useless" violence and sex. Like Sarah Polley said last week: "Violence and sex are part of life. We have to deal with it, movies are about real life, not dream life."
     
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    it was the puritans who started it. other sects followed.
     
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    As a famous comedian once said...

    The puritans did not come to America to escape religious persecution...
    They were KICKED OUT of Europe because they wouldn't stop persecuting everyone else.

    Religion is not about God, nor about morals... no matter what any one taught you...

    It is nothing but a command and control structure.


    The best way to make it work is to forbid as sinful the very things you know full well people can not stop from doing.
    Keep people in a perpetual state of guilt... of needing forgiveness...and sell them that forgiveness in return for their compliance to the status quo.


    So- inkeeping with that ethic ( or lack thereof ) titillate them with sexual imagery, stories, entertainments galore...

    And then lambast them for enjoying it too much...

    Line up the sheep and ask for donations...


    Sheep ranching is not about loving sheep.

    Its about the fleecing.
     
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    Please let's not make this too much about religion. I am so tired of religious arguments that I don't know what to do. I know religion is a part of the equation, but not the entire picture. Let's also keep in mind that there are people on this board who are religious and probably wouldn't care for having their beliefs bashed.

    Believe it or not I am a religious person and consider myself a Christian. But I do not agree with some of the more conservative views in this country. All Christians do not view sex, homosexuality, etc as dirty things nor do all of our religious leaders and churches. So please don't blame religious people for all the problems and don't assume that all have the same views because we don't. We aren't all mindless sheep. Some of us do wander from the flock from time to time :)

    But it is my view that hypocrisy just as much as religion plays into why this country is so sensitive to the male image. Many of the same people that fight so hard to keep gay images, and male sexuality under the mattress and out of the light are the very ones that get titillated by it themselves. Just look at the NFL. Has anyone read the article that Yahoo ran about the NFL Combine where they compared it to a meat market? If not Google it for some interesting reading.
     
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    Puritans? Horseshit! American men were close in the 30's,40's,50's. It's not untill the word gay reared it's ugly head in the late 60's that men became not close in this country.
     
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    Altirique, you may well be religious without being a hypocrite... I certainly believe that is possible.

    But the question centered on why AMERICAN culture is so different than other cultures in this regard.

    I am sorry, but the primary reason was the religious extremist nature of the early settlers, who came here in the wake of the great religious wars through out Europe.

    The result was that, while the European really exhausted themselves, religiously, and were largely left really sick and tired of it all...

    In America religious extremism flowered and took root. "Banned in Boston" is an idiom of speech for a reason.

    The one saving grace of America was that there were so many sects, that when the constitution was drafted, it was not that hard for the more rational to convince the religious, that a state sponsored faith would put the majority of sects out of favor and lead to strife, and violence.

    The core founding fathers, Franklin, Jefferson, Adams, Washington, were not even christian, they were deists...

    And rationalists.

    The fundamental hypocrisy of America is that its is predominantly Protestant Christians with a severe issue toward sexuality as sinful... yet is a nation founded in secular rationalism to eschew religious law.

    This tension between evangelical fundamentalism and secular rationalism has been the great tension in American society since it origin.

    Of course it has resulted in religious rationalists, and even secular fundamentalist in all degrees and flavors... but the core of our uniquely American schizophrenia toward sex is undoubtedly grounded in the dynamic of this dilemma.
     
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    I understand you completely.
     
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    In a mainstream culture context, this is true. The shift in meanings from "happy" to "homosexual".

    Wonder why they were all named "Glee Club" and not "Gay Club" in schools :tongue:



    While we've hit on the religious spin, what about other angles? I'm still of the opinion that the competitive nature between men here in the US is key. LPSG personifies this, in a way. An even better example would be the development of American rules football over the years. Almost toxic in its homophobia, despite its glorification of manhood.
     
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    I don't think men in the US are any more or less competitive than men anywhere.

    Watch rugby, for example.


    But when you are raised in a culture that demonizes the homosexual male, and in which the esteem of your male peers is critical to your getting on in the world... Its difficult.

    The peculiarly American violent form of homophobia is the result of the strict christian upbringings in towns that are almost exclusively full of fellow strict christians fundamentalists.

    Its that tension between the fact that most men have SOME homosexual thoughts, with a society that will allow ZERO expression of those thoughts, that creates this self loathing and rage.

    They CAN'T touch other men and be accepted......except to hit other men

    As with most perverse behaviors... its the suppression of urges and drives that are ordinary that result in those drives being subverted into expressions that are extreme.

    Europe seems more open to male expressions of physicality with each other because they are not nearly as evangelical in their makeup as are the Americans.

    And in ancient history? Homosexuality was treated as a fact of life in most cultures around the Mediterranean...
    right up until the rise of christianity...
     
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    Football is the most homoerotic of all american sports!
    Try selling that to middle America!
     
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