Americans now favor Obamacare 50-35% !!!!

[D_Sir Fitzwilly Wankheimer III]

Again, you are factually incorrect. There is no law that states this. In fact, there are numerous laws that are based the opposite perspective; Life is a right, not something that can be bought and sold. I'm sure with even cursory research, you can figure out which ones.

When you can show me the law or case precedent that proves your assertion, I'll believe it.

again i am right. health care is a commodity and not a right. you may not want to accept that but it doen't change it. health care is a service that you pay for.

 

[vince]

again i am right. health care is a commodity and not a right.

Health care is a service, not a commodity. Examples of a commodities are crude oil, iron ore, wheat, coffee beans, et cetera. Commodities are goods that have equivalent value across a market no matter who produces it. Sugar is a commodity. Automobiles and visits to your gynecologist are not.

Unless you are a Marxist.

This educational service is provided free of charge.

 

[D_Sir Fitzwilly Wankheimer III]

Health care is a service, not a commodity. Examples of a commodities are crude oil, iron ore, wheat, coffee beans, et cetera. Commodities are goods that have equivalent value across a market no matter who produces it. Sugar is a commodity. Automobiles and visits to your gynecologist are not.

Unless you are a Marxist.

This educational service is provided free of charge.

thanks but read defifintion 4 from websters. i'll send you a bill for my service.



commodity

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Main Entry: com·mod·i·ty
Pronunciation: \kə-ˈmä-də-tē\
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural com·mod·i·ties
Etymology: Middle English commoditee, from Anglo-French commoditee, from Latin commoditat-, commoditas, from commodus
Date: 15th century
1 : an economic good: as a : a product of agriculture or mining b : an article of commerce especially when delivered for shipment<commodities futures> c : a mass-produced unspecialized product <commodity chemicals> <commodity memory chips>
2 a : something useful or valued <that valuable commodity patience>; also : thing, entity b : convenience, advantage
3 obsolete : quantity, lot
4 : a good or service whose wide availability typically leads to smaller profit margins and diminishes the importance of factors (as brand name) other than price

ie:

So in fact a service, which becomes a commodity stabilizes prices, promotes efficiency and allows customers to lock in guaranteed deliver and price and that is a good thing, think about it. sounds like health insurance doesn't it?

would you like to try again?
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[D_Sir Fitzwilly Wankheimer III]

Probably the most ignorant post I've ever seen.

drop dead, you too vynl boy. i've haven't heard anyhting of worh out of you.. it doesn't n't change the fact that helath care is not a right. let's get back to the origional post. all the polls i've seen are 55% aggainst and growing.

 

[Industrialsize]

thanks but read defifintion 4 from websters. i'll send you a bill for my service.



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Main Entry: com·mod·i·ty
Pronunciation: \k&#601;-&#712;mä-d&#601;-t&#275;\
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural com·mod·i·ties
Etymology: Middle English commoditee, from Anglo-French commoditee, from Latin commoditat-, commoditas, from commodus
Date: 15th century
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2 a : something useful or valued <that valuable commodity patience>; also : thing, entity b : convenience, advantage
3 obsolete : quantity, lot
4 : a good or service whose wide availability typically leads to smaller profit margins and diminishes the importance of factors (as brand name) other than price

ie:

So in fact a service, which becomes a commodity stabilizes prices, promotes efficiency and allows customers to lock in guaranteed deliver and price and that is a good thing, think about it. sounds like health insurance doesn't it?

would you like to try again?
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I better alert the media beacuse Big_E says that health insurance prices are now stable and that consumers can "lock in" prices!

 

[B_VinylBoy]

again i am right. health care is a commodity and not a right. you may not want to accept that but it doen't change it. health care is a service that you pay for.

In the words of Woodcock... "Rhetorical question, Beverly!"
I know you desperately need to be right to maintain an image only you adheres to around here, but this is one argument you cannot "win" because there is no definitive answer.

Especially when you consider that it's illegal for hospitals to refuse a person treatment just on the basis of someone not having insurance in life threatening situations or if someone has a very low income.

Especially when you consider all of the voluntary free clinics going around, which are funded by the donations of regular people. I'll assume that you're not one of their contributors. National Association of Free Clinics(NAFC)

So, in many ways... you're wrong. But thanks for playing anyhow. Don't forget your Rice-A-Roni and Turtle Wax on the way out.

 

[vince]

again i am right. health care is a commodity and not a right. you may not want to accept that but it doen't change it. health care is a service that you pay for.

thanks but read defifintion 4 from websters. i'll send you a bill for my service.

So in fact a service, which becomes a commodity stabilizes prices, promotes efficiency and allows customers to lock in guaranteed deliver and price and that is a good thing, think about it. sounds like health insurance doesn't it?

would you like to try again?
​

What are you talking about? Healthcare or health insurance? They are not the same thing. In post 81 it was "health care is a commodity". In post 83 it was "sounds like health insurance doesn't it?" You don't get to change the subject of the discussion from one breath to the next.

So make up your mind what you'd like to discuss, then we can talk. Maybe.

What's with the links to Google Ads and "Chart Your Course in Futures Trading" stuff in your post? Trying to figure out what a commodity is?

 

[MercyfulFate]

Health insurance prices are not stable, and continue to rise even when everyone has it as I already showed.

 

[Stretch]

drop dead, you too vynl boy. i've haven't heard anyhting of worh out of you.. it doesn't n't change the fact that helath care is not a right. let's get back to the origional post. all the polls i've seen are 55% aggainst and growing.

Interesting...and that's after you came back and edited it. Shame what steroids can do

 

[B_VinylBoy]

drop dead, you too vynl boy. i've haven't heard anyhting of worh out of you.. it doesn't n't change the fact that helath care is not a right. let's get back to the origional post. all the polls i've seen are 55% aggainst and growing.

I love you too, Big_E.
Now be a nice moron and die.

 

[faceking]

the Kaiser foundation/washington post poll now says public opinion has shifted in favor of the Obama health care plan, as i predicted it would. Americans are finally realizing that all the noise from the tea party and the right wing and the health care industry was a big fat lie. Once again, the Obama message is resonating with the American people. Not even Fox news can defeat it.

God bless our courageous president who not only speaks well but takes appropriate action despite corporate liars and their selfish whores in congress and the media.:biggrin1:

wait until they pay the bill, much less receive the service....or lack thereof.

wiser heads are in the know here...

states are rejecting this left and right. as they should, and will continue to do so.

 

[B_OtterJoq]

wait until they pay the bill, much less receive the service....or lack thereof.

wiser heads are in the know here...

states are rejecting this left and right. as they should, and will continue to do so.

Dear faceking's minister:

11 shot 8 foot cumshot
First person view
Raining down on you
A 'jackson pollock'
...

 

[laptev]

I never really understood the heated discussions you had in the States about the health care reform. We have free health care in most European countries and spend half the amount of money than you guys do in the States in terms of percentage of GDP.

Our system could definitely need reforming, and could be improved in many ways, but even Conservatives and Liberal parties here are not in favour of a private system like you have - it's simply not efficient and it doesn't secure health care to as many as a system with some sort of tax contribution involved.

 

[cruztbone]

Faceking has NEVER understood economics or, apparently, been without health care. We are ALL paying for others healthcare when people go to the emergency room because they have no health insurance. That is a major reason why health care costs have skyrocketed. As far as the VA attorney general is concerned , let him waste his time on this. With all the more important legal issues going on in VA , he will just guarantee himself a short career in elected office.

 

[ericbythebay]

Auto insurance doesn't cover oil changes, so why does Health insurance need to cover everything? The largest healthcare costs are the administrative overhead. Wouldn't insurance with a $5K or $10K deductible reduce costs? Insurance would only be used for serious stuff and individuals would be incentivized to be price sensitive.

 

[ericbythebay]

I never really understood the heated discussions you had in the States about the health care reform. We have free health care in most European countries and spend half the amount of money than you guys do in the States in terms of percentage of GDP.

Our system could definitely need reforming, and could be improved in many ways, but even Conservatives and Liberal parties here are not in favour of a private system like you have - it's simply not efficient and it doesn't secure health care to as many as a system with some sort of tax contribution involved.

Americans have a traditional distrust of the government, so many don't want a government run system.

More socialized systems seem to work well for minor care, but fail when it comes to major procedures. I know many Canadians and British that come to the US for medical procedures, because they are on a waiting list back home.

I pay $86/month for my health insurance (I'm responsible for the first $4K of medical expenses each year) and have always been able to see my doctor within 24 hours. The same can not be said for government services. I can't even get the government to consistently recognize my marriage or correctly deliver my mail.


And I've never heard anyone say that they would rather go to the government run Veterans Administration hospitals than to the Mayo Clinic.

 

[faceking]

Dear faceking's minister:

11 shot 8 foot cumshot
First person view
Raining down on you
A 'jackson pollock'
...

?

 

[faceking]

Faceking has NEVER understood economics or, apparently, been without health care. We are ALL paying for others healthcare when people go to the emergency room because they have no health insurance. That is a major reason why health care costs have skyrocketed. As far as the VA attorney general is concerned , let him waste his time on this. With all the more important legal issues going on in VA , he will just guarantee himself a short career in elected office.

Hmmm... I carry an MBA... put myself through college... lived in a car, much less without health insurance...

Yeah... yer right. Take another bong hit, and get back to me.

 

[vince]

Americans have a traditional distrust of the government, so many don't want a government run system.

More socialized systems seem to work well for minor care, but fail when it comes to major procedures. I know many Canadians and British that come to the US for medical procedures, because they are on a waiting list back home.

I pay $86/month for my health insurance (I'm responsible for the first $4K of medical expenses each year) and have always been able to see my doctor within 24 hours. The same can not be said for government services. I can't even get the government to consistently recognize my marriage or correctly deliver my mail.


And I've never heard anyone say that they would rather go to the government run Veterans Administration hospitals than to the Mayo Clinic.

As a Canadian I disagree. I had a major procedure few years ago and waited less than 24 hours. It wasn't an emergency either. On the other hand, my sister's neighbor in Wisconsin died from undiagnosed heart disease. She had no insurance because she had a pre-existing condition involving her bowel. (I don't know all the details). At least your new health care bill starts to address some of the unfairness in the US system.

As to why the US doesn't have socialized medical in this day and age. I think there is just too much money to be made by the powerful players. It could be done if there was a will for it. There are so many social models in the world now, that they should be able to design a very good and efficient and fair public system by doing an analysis of what works, what doesn't and applying the lessons learned by other countries to their own local situation. I think a mixed system could be designed that would address most of the problems they currently have.

But politics in the USA now only happens through a very narrow left-right lens. Actually, a centre-right lens... The whole public discourse is conducted around this Democrat/Republican quest for power and service to their corporate masters. Masters who are for the most part the same guys, who really only want what's best for their short-term bottom line. Not what is in their or the public's best long term interest.

So the public gets fed a line about "free markets", "socialism" and the evils of "big government". Yet all the while, those same guys are the ones who don't mind "big government" when it comes to defense spending, interstate highways, subsidies to airlines and railroads, spending on the power grid, bailing out banks and the failed auto industry. The list is long of companies that benefit from govt contracts and the profits are huge. But when it comes to something that might give a tangible benefit to the taxpayers, the corporate stooges in Congress and the media start running around with their hair on fire screaming about death panels, socialism, "Obamacare" and the fatal threat this poses to the American Way of Life.

And the poorly educated, badly informed, but well entertained American public believes the lies they are told. That is if they stop "consuming" long enough to look up from their bowl of Coco Puffs and check out a news channel.

 

[vince]

Dear faceking's minister:

11 shot 8 foot cumshot
First person view
Raining down on you
A 'jackson pollock'
...

I think see what you are trying to get at, but it's a fail. I have never heard faceking promoting religion or Christian values and such.

(if that's your point)