Americans now favor Obamacare 50-35% !!!!

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Big Pharma nets more in profit than it spends on research and development.

Big Pharma typically spends twice as much on advertising and marketing as it does on research and development.


Research and development typically consists of developing new chemical compounds and then trying to find a disease or condition to treat it with, versus the other way around.

Studies are run by the drug companies themselves with little to no oversight or independent confirmation, and they often suppress negative side effects and inflate positive results.

"Experts" are then paid buckets of money to tout the drugs, and legions of reps are sent out to push them onto physicians and pharmacists armed with questionable research data, free gifts and entertainment.

Even negligible positive results are sold as miracle cures to a gullible overmedicated public in teevee ads, who in turn demand the drugs from their doctors.

It's a disgusting business, it's all about marketing and huge profits, and it's nothing like what people imagine.

And they still can't cure AIDS, cancer, or the common cold.





 

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If Americans favor it so much, was are 99% of the politicians running for office whom voted for it,.....are


RUNNING AWAY FROM IT??!!

They're not running away from it... especially some of the Conservative base who actually tried to take credit for parts of the HCL in their own home states while publicly denouncing it on camera. The running and mass hysteria is going on because you decided to open your hole and say something stupid... AS USUAL. :rolleyes:
 

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Big Pharma nets more in profit than it spends on research and development.

Big Pharma typically spends twice as much on advertising and marketing as it does on research and development.


Research and development typically consists of developing new chemical compounds and then trying to find a disease or condition to treat it with, versus the other way around.

Studies are run by the drug companies themselves with little to no oversight or independent confirmation, and they often suppress negative side effects and inflate positive results.

"Experts" are then paid buckets of money to tout the drugs, and legions of reps are sent out to push them onto physicians and pharmacists armed with questionable research data, free gifts and entertainment.

Even negligible positive results are sold as miracle cures to a gullible overmedicated public in teevee ads, who in turn demand the drugs from their doctors.

It's a disgusting business, it's all about marketing and huge profits, and it's nothing like what people imagine.

And they still can't cure AIDS, cancer, or the common cold.







of course they do ifit wasn't profitable they woldn't do it. they only have 7 years to recoup their expenses for R&D.
 

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of course they do ifit wasn't profitable they woldn't do it. they only have 7 years to recoup their expenses for R&D.
You are completely misinformed or talking out of your ass, as usual. Pharmaceutical patents in the US are good for twenty years. Companies are often able to extend these patents by making slight reformulations of the original compound or proving its effectiveness at treating a condition other than the one for which it was originally granted a patent. This is referred to as "evergreening", a common industry practice.

In addition, drug companies spend nearly twice as much on advertising as they do on research and development, the power of their lobbyists in Washington is second to none, and their profit margins are enormous. For example, 61% of the money spent on Medicare prescription drugs is pure profit for the companies. Did you bother to read any of the linked articles? LOL! In a nutshell:
"The study’s findings supports the position that the U.S. pharmaceutical industry is marketing-driven and challenges the perception of a research-driven, life-saving, pharmaceutical industry."
 
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Read this:
NYT: Obama lets firms dodge health reforms - Health - The New York Times - msnbc.com

then tell me you still think this plan was a good idea.

God damn it. There is never going to be a law passed that isn't written by the lobbyist and for the lobbyists.

So called Obama care should be called the Insurance Company Blood sucking plan. That's all it is. Oh, and now parents with sick children can still be charged more.

Defending a steaming fascist shitpile like this will only hurt you.
Demand public option healthcare, nothing less.

They are liars, they are all liars.
 

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The plan that was passed absolutely sucks. The important part was not passing that particular plan, but, passing a framework for a plan that can be modified.

I understand the negative publicity because there is truth in it. The problem is that if a really good plan had been written it would have deeply cut into profits of some of the most wealthy and unscrupulous industries in this country. A really "good" plan would have been far more vilified than a bad one. The "bad guys" are scared to death that something may happen to have regulatory agencies really take a hard look at what they have been doing. If they get rid of change they get rid of any chances that their greed and other bad policies will be discovered and documented.

Many other countries have fully socialized medicine. Yes there are problems, but by percentage most of the care being given citizens of those countries is far better than ours. Yes, there is indeed people who have problems. However, those that are screaming foul are those who have never had a problem with a medical insurance provider. My Mother was denied care by an HMO and lost her life because after a major heart attack the HMO REFUSED to pay for cardiac care. That provider is or was at one time one of the most popular on the West Coast. My Mother was within 2 hours of a major heart attack shipped to a convalescent home where she was not even hooked to a cardiac monitor. She was not properly treated and because she was 80 years old they friggin did not care and wanted to save themselves money. This is so common these days with the elderly that there are now Attorneys making full time occupations out if this kind of case.

Where the real problem is, is that these providers do not care. Part of the settlement is always a non-disclosure statement/gag-order so in essence you can't talk about this and to get paid you need to "agree" in writing that they had no fault. The death of your loved ones is now simply being passed on including all the judgments against these giants who are doing this.

I am working on some medical projects with a couple of MD's and this has necessitated communications with clinic management in Canada, England, France and the Netherlands. Guess What! These people are all making great money from "socialized medicine" because it cuts the crap out of their overhead. Drug costs are dictated by mandate and they are paying as little as 25% of the costs that we are for the exact same drugs and treatment programs.

Remember that major pharmas ship and make the same products for many different markets and they make them in the same plants.

What. people think that they are going to ship a bottle of totally different and inferior tetracyclene to Canada, England or The Netherlands. The ONLY difference is the language on the packaging and the product insert for the market. It is the exact same product.

If in the medical biz I were dealing with a central pay plan I could cut the overhead of a medical practice by 60%. The paperwork costs and processing costs are killing medical professionals and institutions.

I am right now dealing with the aftermath of cancer in my 22 year old kid. Don't tell me what is fair and what is not. The hospital bill for a surgical procedure that was first "out-patient" and lasted less than one hour was $12,580.00. We have good insurance on the kid, but, guess what! When he turns 26 years old he will no longer be able to get insurance guys. Here he is at age 25 and because of cancer of the tongue, he is absolutely and positively uninsurable at age 26!

Sorry, I am tired of watching insurance companies collect premiums for decades and then dump policy holders at the first opportunity.

It is broken it needs change. What we have had is the "fox watching and guarding the henhouse" and it is a scam and a joke and has been for years.

The health care revisions are not workable as they are currently written, but, what the bad guys fear most is that they will be "fixed". Fix them and the "greed and avarice" goes under a microscope.

I would rather try and work with a new system and be a part of positive change than sit back and "belly-ache" spouting political rhetoric that in reality will be changed quickly to "fix" the problems.

At least somebody tried to do something and that is better than any administration since Lyndon Johnson passed Medicare. That gentlemen was 1965 or 1966 and many of you were not even conceived when that one happened.
 

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At least somebody tried to do something and that is better than any administration since Lyndon Johnson passed Medicare. That gentlemen was 1965 or 1966 and many of you were not even conceived when that one happened.

Oh look, back to LBJ. Same guy that pushed the civil rights act through congress. We could also go back to Truman. Men with spines.

The point is

wait for it

OBAMA IS A PUPPET!!!
He doesn't even know it. He is like so many of you, listening to the "pragmatism" of Bush holdover and Clinton advisors and the rhetoric of "sensible" political policy. It's not sensible, it's just a bunch of lies. The Bush's and Clinton's are the kings of special interests. They are tanking him!

You call it belly aching, but the truth must be repeated over and over and over and over again until some lightbulbs go on. We have no power, the best we can do is watch for now, but for God's sake, you have to be aware of what is really happening when things start going really bad (and they will) to understand who the true enemy is.

Don't look to who is left or right of you... that is irrelevant. Look who is FAR ABOVE you. These bastards are already leaving America, laughing with all the money they took.

And this is no kind of "infrastructure" of a health plan for America you want to work with. It is rotten to the core. It is built to make insurance and pharma companies even richer, no doubt about it. Now we have this giant teetering mess that should have been shot down outright.

They even objected to national collective bargaining for drugs prices. What a farce!!
 

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how will Obamacare work for temporary workers?
I been on temp jobs where I only worked 2 days.

First off... referring to HCR as "Obamacare" is tired as f***. :rolleyes:
Secondly, as a person who lived comfortably just on temp jobs for nearly 5 years before the dot com crisis, if you're exclusive to one particular temp agency and do enough hours with them to qualify for full time benefits then it's possible for them to offer you health care options. It may not be the same for every other temp agency out there, but that's how MacTemps/Aquent Partners conducted their business when I was enrolled.
 

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how will Obamacare work for temporary workers?
I been on temp jobs where I only worked 2 days.
Most temp agencies offer benefits to anyone competent enough to keep a job with them. If you get shit canned because you can't cut it, that's your problem, not ours.