America's Trinity

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  1. B_starinvestor

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    Interesting commentary from Prager and the timing is appropriate as the Obama Administration continues to push hard to convert the USA into a European socioeconomic state.

    http://prageru.com/1.htm

    Indeed - the values of America have persisted for 234 years without incident, erecting the nation as the premier economic, political and military force on the globe.

    Enter the current administration, and by virtue of implementing an unprecedented, radical left wing agenda they are effectively undoing 234 years of American tradition, sacrifice, discipline and history.

    Our ancestors are turning in their graves.

    If I wanted to live in Europe, I would move to Europe. That is not to say that Europe is not a great place to live. My preference is simply the America that has been here for the last 234 years.

    Those citizens that want to live in America, where are they to go now?

    Obama has craved a legacy that will last for centuries. He will go down as the man who destroyed the USA. Indeed he will get his wish.
     
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    Your link leads to a blank page. Which is likely to be appropriate.

    I will comment that so far Obama has not done anything so terribly bad. He has not yet gone as far as some of his predecessors did. Such as invading the wrong country in the wake of 911 or selling arms to Islamic fundamentalist regimes in exchange for money to fund Latin American terrorists. I don't think he has done anything that approaches those misdeeds.
     
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    Thanks, Vince. The one crime I put in bold red is still my favorite all-time of Reagan's. "Uh, I'm sorry, but I'm afraid I don't remember," was his excuse to Congress. But he somehow remembered to pardon Oliver North.

    As for Starinvestor's OP, I'm afraid I have a much longer and accurate memory of the American History during which I grew up, starting in 1945. I fail to see anything that the Starinvestors of the ultra right wish to attribute -- or make up -- about Obama as being the beginning of the end of the United States of America.

    Perhaps Star would like to return to the world of Jim Crow, or back to the days (1950) when most Native Americans did not have the right to vote. Possibly Star would like to see the repeal of the Nineteenth Amendment which prohibited state and federal agencies from gender-based restrictions on voting, thus opening the floodgates for women to vote? Possibly he'd like to dispose of a slew of amendments, such as:

    The 24th Amendment (1964), which fairly states: "The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any State by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax."

    Or how about the 26th Amendment (1971), that states: "The right of citizens of the United States, who are eighteen years of age or older, to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of age."

    Or the 23rd Amendment (1961), that provides residents of the District of Columbia the right to vote for the President and Vice-President, because he's just jealous of all those folks who live in Washington D.C.?

    Or. . . possibly he's just posting to stir trouble because that seems to be his métier?

    Edit: Prager University? As in Dennis Prager? What's wrong? Didn't Oral Roberts University have enough 5-minute seminars that met your needs to proselytize the sanctity of marriage, why women are different from men, and Prager's special interpretation of happiness and goodness and how secular humanism is just bad, bad, bad?
     
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    I still dont understand the idea that Obama is a radical left?

    Does America have its own warped political Spectrum? What would you guys call real Socialists and Communists?
     
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    Among the "brain trust" circles with which Starinvestor mingles, I think he calls them Europeans.
     
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    I remember reading an article which said many Republicans would find Cameron TOO LEFT WING for their tastes. Its shocking. It's almost as if some Americans dont give a shit about their fellow citizens.

    Its strange. The idea of helping your country dissappears when it comes to helping citizens to be fed and housed during a recession, but come a war of your own creation....
     
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    Yes actually it does. If Nancy Pelosi were an MP, she'd be a red Tory. In the US, Diane Abbot couldn't get elected dog-catcher in San Francisco.
     
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    You are correct in that he hasn't made one giant mistake equal to those misdeeds.

    His is that of a systematic plague that an extremely left-wing agenda with a majority acrossed the board is reversing the overall course of politics and business in the country. Outrageous spending, reckless fiscal responsibility, no plan to repay the treasury, etc. etc.
     
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    The issues with Cameron stem, as far as I know, on his views on what are euphemistically referred to here as "Social Issues": his views on God, guns and gays are not in lockstep with the Republicans' continued push for the Culture War, which they initiated when they embraced the religious right to get Reagan elected in 1980. The Culture War was formalized by the mid-80s and institutionalized by the election of 1992, when it represented the deepest, bloodiest red meat thrown at the Republican base.

    GW Bush ran as a "Compassionate Conservative" in part to help suburban voters with moderate social views overcome their distaste with the Culture War, though in reality, the Republicans hadn't budged on such issues as a Constitutional ban on gay marriage and an "overturn" on Roe v Wade (abortion rights).

    Cameron would probably be seen as somewhere drifting to the left of your typical conservative Blue Dog Democrat.
     
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    Oh, please...
     
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    I think you may have hit the nail on the head, midlifebear; it disappoints me how starinvestor describes the President and his administration's policies as a plague:


    I have nothing but pity for those believe we're better off living in the past. Personally, I think we have a long way to go as a country and although I detest declaring the obvious, I will: heading backward isn't a very smart way to travel forward.

    As to your question, starinvestor... the people that want to live in America are right here, right now. You can find them defending America overseas, in Washington and our statehouses working with the President and his administration to solve the unparalleled challenges our country faces, and all across this nation trying to make our country a better place and ensure a sustainable, prosperous future. They are educators, entry-level laborers, scientists, farmers, public servants, doctors, factory workers, analysts, politicians, small business owners, and yes -- unemployed people. The difference between all of them and you is that they believe in this concept we call America and they are trying to contribute.

    The people like you who insist on ridiculing everything the President or his administration suggests, the people like you who want to drag everybody else into a purely capital-driven-free-for-all where only the wealthy and elite thrive, the people like you have nothing but hate for anyone who doesn't agree with you... well, you're all here, too.

    However, let me dissuade you from moving somewhere else (because reading your posts convinces me that you'll just hate that new place as much if not more than you hate America right now). America was founded on the ideal that people of differing opinion can work with each other to discuss those differences, develop common understanding, and foster a plan and path forward to benefit not just the individual, but society as a whole. In case you were thinking that it's okay to just sit back, ignore the discussion and instead focus on new ways to complain about or malign the whole process, let me assure you: it is not.

    While I personally wish you weren't so narrow-minded, I want you to know I understand. You have talking heads telling you 24/7 that the world is going to 'Hell in a handbasket' and you can't help but buy into it all because you're too scared to do the opposite. (Either that, or you're afraid you won't be able to profit from it. From your discussion of BP, I can't actually tell which it is.) Whichever is correct, let me present an alternative: shut off your cable box and tune out Fox News, stop reading the editorial page of the Wall Street Journal, unsubscribe from Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh's mailing lists, and then, think for yourself. You can begin by asking yourself, "what can I do to help this country?" You have skills presumably, so how can they be applied to solve our country's problems?

    If you did do that (and I mean seriously do that), I think you'd be able to feel better about the country, your state, your community and your own situation. You might figure out that you don't have all the answers. You might meet someone interesting who challenges your preconceived notions. You might actually become a better person.

    Of course, it's far easier to spread hate, exaggerations, and outright lies about the President or his policies, but I would challenge you to rise above the course you've taken thus far. Seldom is the easiest path the best choice, but the simple fact is this: you can be miserable for the next 30 months or you can be a contributor. I hope you choose the latter.
     
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    The link works fine. Great video. I couldn't agree more.
     
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    I don't think the political parties each side of the Atlantic map onto one another at all. The idea of Conservative=Republican and Labour=Democrat just doesn't work. True Thatcher and Reagan seemed to have some personal chemistry, but their parties were and still are miles apart.

    I don't think there is anything in US politics comparable to the UK Labour movement or European Socialism. The Marxist ideological view of capital as the oppression of the workers is alive and well in Europe. It is somewhat modified in the "New Labour" of Blair, yet there are plenty of Labour politicians who truly want to keep the red flag flying and see a remarkably traditional form of socialism as the goal. In UK terms Obama is surely at the far right fringe of the Conservative party. He leads a country which still has capital punishment and as far as I know is not making a move to get rid of it - this alone puts him way to the right of almost anyone in UK politics.
     
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    The US system of government being what it is- there is simply NOTHING that he as President could do to abolish the death penalty- besides abolishing it under federal law. Aside from a Supreme Court decision (not likely), or a constitutional amendment (more unlikely), the states have the right to set their own laws.
     
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    I remember when I lived in NYC a member of the lab I was working at (a spoiled golden boy from the west coast) said it was obvious he was going to vote for W because that way his fathers's money was going to be safe.
    Nice! Actually W was the one who transformed the USD into sh?? ...
     
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    Lame that a thread about Obama turns into a thread about Bush.

    Big surprise on this left-wing loon bin.
     
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    We are so sorry Star has to have a black president................ Although if does keep her busy bitching about it.
     
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