Amnesty for Illegal aliens????

Should all Illegal aliens get amnesty??

  • YES!!!

    Votes: 44 33.3%
  • NO WAY JOSE!!

    Votes: 88 66.7%

  • Total voters
    132

D_N Flay Table

Experimental Member
Joined
Dec 23, 2006
Posts
2,711
Media
0
Likes
16
Points
183
Given that we have good fortune (being born in our time and place is for many like winning a lottery) it's understandable that we assume our right to feel like we're the chosen people. I'm asking if the history that got us here has been ethical and just, in the literal meaning of just, not the legal meaning, and are the Mexican people involved and their ancestors direct actors in the geography of the areas?

Please don't take this the wrong way, but I think we in the southern states have a little bit of a different view of the situation RB.
I am 100% for LEGAL immigration. perhaps the process should be made cheaper, or more accessable.
If I could just waltz into canada and become a citizen I would be there already.
D
 

madame_zora

Sexy Member
Joined
May 5, 2004
Posts
9,608
Media
0
Likes
51
Points
258
Location
Ohio
Sexuality
100% Straight, 0% Gay
I'm a citizen because my father was a naturalised citizen. If not for that, I could just as easily have been born in India and ended up as some man's property.

None of us who were born here did anything special to arrange that, we were just lucky. I think it's extremely greedy to claim "Me, me, me" about something we did nothing to obtain. Oh, our forebearers did- they killed all the people they found here- pretty disgusting, if you ask me.

So, ignore the fact they we're mass murderers, we can't let those slimy wetbacks in to share the goods we stole fair and square, right?

Sometimes I'm embarrassed to be a human being.
 

musclebutt2

Expert Member
Joined
May 23, 2007
Posts
450
Media
7
Likes
100
Points
163
Location
San Francisco
Sexuality
80% Gay, 20% Straight
Gender
Male
Oy vey. Is it okay for a country to control its borders in the Age of Terrorism? Hmmm... who started the terrorism? America? Look, don't invade other people's countries if you don't want terrorism. And if your intelligence service knows someone's gonna bomb you like Pearl Harbor or the Twin Towers beforehand, then do something about it.

I grew up in SoCal... Santa Ana was the first American city I stepped foot on. You are scared because you are acting like a victim. When was the last time you took time to make friends with your neighbours, learn about your community, get involved with afterschool programs? This is something everybody in small towns knows but everyone in urban environments bemoans. Change your reality.

You know what really irks me? CHILDREN BORN IN ANY F*CKING COUNTRY OF THE WORLD EARN CITIZENSHIP RIGHTS IN THAT COUNTRY (whether they want to or not). That is the DEFINITION of "Nationality". You can't pick and choose. Numbnut.
 

ndoggy

Just Browsing
Joined
Mar 12, 2007
Posts
1
Media
0
Likes
0
Points
146
Location
Buckeye Arizona
Sexuality
100% Straight, 0% Gay
Gender
Male
What other country would let you walk in with out a passport or visa and stay for an undetermined amount of time and work? I also live in the southwest and I also see the problems that this illegal migration brings. You got to understand that the ones who make it possible to bring these people in, do it with a very high a price. The price it measured in money that the family willing to pay and in so many cases they pay with their own lives when they are dumped the the desert and left to fend for themselves in the hot summer heat.

To the taxpayers: go to any emergency room after 5:00 pm and it will be packed. (which I had to do one time at took 6 hours for them to get to me)This is the only way that they can get medical attention and they can not be turned away. There have been several smaller hospitals in southern Arizona that have gone under because they could not keep giving free healthcare. And yes, those cost are passed along to the rest of us who have insurance and are able to pay. Which impacts your insurance fees and hopital fees.

They can become unwilling victims by people of their own race. In some cases the "coyotes" (the people who bring them in) will put them to work to pay off what they owe, by selling drugs and other illegal activities. So your local crime rate goes up.

These are only a few of the problems. If you want to come into this country, I have no objection, just sign the guest book on the way in. Millions of others have.
 

musclebutt2

Expert Member
Joined
May 23, 2007
Posts
450
Media
7
Likes
100
Points
163
Location
San Francisco
Sexuality
80% Gay, 20% Straight
Gender
Male
What other country would let you walk in with out a passport or visa and stay for an undetermined amount of time and work? I also live in the southwest and I also see the problems that this illegal migration brings. You got to understand that the ones who make it possible to bring these people in, do it with a very high a price. The price it measured in money that the family willing to pay and in so many cases they pay with their own lives when they are dumped the the desert and left to fend for themselves in the hot summer heat.

Immigration w/o a passport is considered ILLEGAL; therefore, they are called illegal immigrants. No other country allows this because it doesn't exist. Hmmmm, didn't the American revolutionaries that fought the British forces want to die for it too? Rhetoric aside, it's only of value if you are willing to die for it... is their decision less worthy than our judgment? When was the last time you were willing to die for something and actually go through with it?

To the taxpayers: go to any emergency room after 5:00 pm and it will be packed. (which I had to do one time at took 6 hours for them to get to me)This is the only way that they can get medical attention and they can not be turned away. There have been several smaller hospitals in southern Arizona that have gone under because they could not keep giving free healthcare. And yes, those cost are passed along to the rest of us who have insurance and are able to pay. Which impacts your insurance fees and hopital fees.

Ummm, emergency room... 6 hours later. Contradiction & oxymoron? Trust me, I've experienced the emergency room here at SF General Hospital too... I saw a man with an eyeball hanging out... hanging, hanging, and hanging; kinda put the three stitch gash above my eyelid in perspective. How does waiting six hours for emergency care = exploiting the system? Gawd forbid an illegal immigrant have a heartattack. You know that the insurance industry is a scam right? Any insurance of any kind is tied to the litigation system. I thought people worked for their money in this country, not leech it off of others.

They can become unwilling victims by people of their own race. In some cases the "coyotes" (the people who bring them in) will put them to work to pay off what they owe, by selling drugs and other illegal activities. So your local crime rate goes up.

They said the same thing about blacks moving into the neighborhood. Asians too, and Italians, and Greeks, and Irish, and Spanish... and anyone else who isn't Anglo-Saxon.

These are only a few of the problems. If you want to come into this country, I have no objection, just sign the guest book on the way in. Millions of others have.

I agree with you. The question is, are you even allowed the chance? The Romanticism of your grandparent's sepia era has no place in today's reality.
 

Dr. Dilznick

Experimental Member
Joined
Feb 13, 2005
Posts
1,640
Media
0
Likes
4
Points
183
Age
46
Sexuality
No Response
So, ignore the fact they we're mass murderers, we can't let those slimy wetbacks in to share the goods we stole fair and square, right?
Right, don't be swayed by Rawbone's bright-eyed mainstream liberalism. Please believe the average native Mexican man would pawn his firstborn and slit his wife's throat ear-to-ear to sniff the taint on a white American female.
 

Lex

Expert Member
Joined
Jun 11, 2004
Posts
8,253
Media
0
Likes
118
Points
268
Location
In Your Darkest Thoughts and Dreams
Sexuality
99% Gay, 1% Straight
Gender
Male
Right, don't be swayed by Rawbone's bright-eyed mainstream liberalism. Please believe the average native Mexican man would pawn his firstborn and slit his wife's throat ear-to-ear to sniff the taint on a white American female.

What does that have to do with amnesty or naturalization? For a minute, I thought you were Shelby.
 

B_HappyHammer1977

Experimental Member
Joined
Sep 8, 2005
Posts
785
Media
0
Likes
8
Points
163
Location
Kent, UK
Sexuality
100% Straight, 0% Gay
Gender
Male
nobody has touched this yet, so I thougth I would.

No, *Illegal* Aliens should not get amnesty. No matter where yo are in the world, there is always a correct prcess for going to whatever country you wish to. Of course, circumstances vary for peoples reasons for not going through these channels, but if your reasons are for asylum, most "first world countries" (quote marks used sarcastically!) will give you a fair hearing. Naturally, there are exceptions.
 

Dr. Dilznick

Experimental Member
Joined
Feb 13, 2005
Posts
1,640
Media
0
Likes
4
Points
183
Age
46
Sexuality
No Response
For a minute, I thought you were Shelby.
Yeah, we are so much alike. I too think Imus is a hero and a saint. Hopefully he influenced some black ho out there to dump lye in her coarse nap and strain and tug and destroy her scalp in a futile effort to emulate the beautiful stringy mane of a white princess.

No, it is called racial humor. Despite the absence of an appropriate emoticon to convey as much, it's not what I truly believe.
 

Full_Phil

Just Browsing
Joined
Jan 22, 2007
Posts
223
Media
0
Likes
0
Points
161
Age
62
Location
Northeastern Ohio
Sexuality
100% Straight, 0% Gay
Gender
Male
Those who come across our borders come because they can and because they are wanted. If our government so chose, we could shut down illegal immigration in a relatively few months. The powers that currently be (and were) have looked the other way in order to add one of the more powerful elements that hold down labor costs here. As the interpreter in the movie Close Encounters of the Third Kind said---"they were invited here" just as surely as if we had sent out invitations. To treat them as criminals IMHO is really the height of hypocrisy.
 

rawbone8

Cherished Member
Joined
Jun 30, 2004
Posts
2,827
Media
1
Likes
294
Points
303
Location
Ontario (Canada)
Sexuality
99% Straight, 1% Gay
Gender
Male
Right, don't be swayed by Rawbone's bright-eyed mainstream liberalism. Please believe the average native Mexican man would pawn his firstborn and slit his wife's throat ear-to-ear to sniff the taint on a white American female.

Frank!!! What are you going on about? :biggrin1:
I have only posed two questions here, with some contexts attached.

Answer the questions. And stop swaying. I'm getting dizzy.
 

Christiaan

Sexy Member
Joined
Aug 13, 2006
Posts
191
Media
0
Likes
39
Points
163
Location
Donegal, Ireland
Sexuality
100% Gay, 0% Straight
Gender
Male
nobody has touched this yet, so I thougth I would.

Why is it not permitted to move about in North America between Canada, the US and Mexico? In Europe it is permitted to move about freely without borders except that if I travel to Duitsland I see where that country begins as I cross the line.

This works very well. It allows people to move about freely for not only holidays, but also schools, working, etc., and causes no harm. When you enter one country in the EU, for example you arrive in the UK from the US, when you clear immigration in the UK, you are clearing for all countries in the EU. All the countries use the same standard for entrance.

How is it possible to look someone in the face and tell them because they have walked 10 meters now they are illegal?

If the US doesn't want Mexicans to enter to find jobs for their families, then why not take the billions of dollars they waste on the war in Iraq and spend it helping the Mexicans to develope industries there so they stay home. Maybe they could buy from their neighbours instead of China?
 

SteveHd

Sexy Member
Joined
Jun 19, 2006
Posts
3,678
Media
0
Likes
79
Points
183
Location
Daytona
Sexuality
90% Gay, 10% Straight
Gender
Male
Note to all: To spare many others from having to look it up: Duitsland is Germany.

Christiaan, over there do people so freely between Spain and Morocco? France and Algeria? Turkey and Greece?

But you make a good point that free movement between nations is doable, even where the languages are different. I would like to see something like that implemented for Mexico but isn't possible at present because the attitudes here are so poisoned.
 

Freddie53

Superior Member
Gold
Joined
Nov 19, 2004
Posts
5,842
Media
0
Likes
2,609
Points
333
Location
Memphis (Tennessee, United States)
Gender
Male
The poll is not a reliable poll. Because I suspect most people fall somewhere in the middle. Giving ALL illegal alients amnesty regardless what crimes they have committed etc. Well no. Giving no amnesty period for all illegal alients no on that.

Here is the deal. I despise those detention centers. People migrate to areas they beleive are greener pastures. And who is giving those greener pasturese to these illegal aliens? Our American employers, that's who. Don't tell me that the employers don't know that they are here illegally. Some of these people are working way below minimum wage. There is a black market economy going on. If the American government wants to stop this immigration then shut down the employers. Instead of jailing the immigrants, jail the employers or fine them to the point they don't want to hire illigal aliens.

Having said that. America needs to be more creative and responsible in handling this situation. For one, America needs to help Mexico who happens to be the 10th richest nation in the world to spend its resources in building plants and places of employment that the Mexicans can enjoy a decdent living wage in Mexico.

Second, more money needs to be spend in assimimlating immigrants into the American culture. All other immigrants eventually learned how to converse in English though it took two generations in some cases. Immigrants with children born here and want to stay here permanently need to be Americans, learn our customs, be loyal citizens.

We are a land of immigrrants. By keeping them illigal as we are doing now, it is keeping them alos outside of the American culture which can be disasatrous to a society. A society has to have a common culture to survice for very long. We can all have our sub cultures. I'm an English-American. I am very proud of my English and Scotish history. I can trace my linage back to 100 AD to Normons who invaded the British Isles.

And I love learning about the mother country even though my some of ancestors came here in the early 1600's. But my first loyalty is to America, to the American culture, the Consitution, our Republic.

my great great grandmother came here in the 1840's and she could not speak a work of English. She was Irish and came here during the potato famine. But her granddaughter, my grandmother spoke perfect English.

It is great political fodder to talk about sending all the illegal alients home. Truth is, they have become in integral part of the economy. Should all of them vanish to Mexico in a matter of days, our economy would shake to say the least. Many of our companies would go bankrupt.

In short, the solution is to not allow American employers to bring in these Mexicans and in some ways become modern day slaves so that the rich can get richer off the backs of poverty stricken Mexicans. Let them stay but bring them into the American system completely and fully including a decent wage and housing and medical care.

If the Mexicans don't want to be a part of our country they really should think about heading back home.
 

D_alex8

Member
Joined
Dec 15, 2005
Posts
8,055
Media
0
Likes
1,298
Points
208
Location
Germany
Sexuality
90% Gay, 10% Straight
Gender
Male
In Europe it is permitted to move about freely without borders

Only between member nations of the European Union, of course. Non-EU-member Switzerland is only 100 miles from my front door, for example, and freedom of entry/residence certainly wouldn't apply.
 

Dr. Dilznick

Experimental Member
Joined
Feb 13, 2005
Posts
1,640
Media
0
Likes
4
Points
183
Age
46
Sexuality
No Response
Frank!!! What are you going on about? :biggrin1:
I have only posed two questions here, with some contexts attached.

Answer the questions. And stop swaying. I'm getting dizzy.
Rawb,

My heart has softened toward the plight of our brown brothers and sisters and their scorched earth down below. However, still lock those borders tight. I'm not very concerned with what to do with illegal immigrants who are in the U.S. For now, ignoring them should be fine. The real pressing issue is the border and stopping the next fifteen million. Once the border is secure we can worry about what to do with the ones here.
 

D_N Flay Table

Experimental Member
Joined
Dec 23, 2006
Posts
2,711
Media
0
Likes
16
Points
183
I tink the problem with MOST of the illegal aliens is that they have no interest in becoming "American"

-They have no interest in learning the language, culture, or contributing at all the society as we know it in america.

Let me give you an example, I go to this breakfast place in LA.. I have been going there for about 12 years, the same girl has been working as a hostess since I have been going there, doesn't speak a lick of english.
WTF?
I want to move to europe someday, and I would try to a have a pretty firm grip on what ever language was spoken to the country I move to. Also, I would do it the correct way, and go through the proper channels.

My Grandparents were frist generation Americans, My family moved here in the early 1900's, they did it the legal way, learned the language, and paid taxes.

Why is it such a hot issue to ask the modern day ILLEGAL immigrants to do the same?
 

B_HappyHammer1977

Experimental Member
Joined
Sep 8, 2005
Posts
785
Media
0
Likes
8
Points
163
Location
Kent, UK
Sexuality
100% Straight, 0% Gay
Gender
Male
Those who come across our borders come because they can and because they are wanted. If our government so chose, we could shut down illegal immigration in a relatively few months. The powers that currently be (and were) have looked the other way in order to add one of the more powerful elements that hold down labor costs here. As the interpreter in the movie Close Encounters of the Third Kind said---"they were invited here" just as surely as if we had sent out invitations. To treat them as criminals IMHO is really the height of hypocrisy.


What you are talking about there is tantamount to slavery. Lincoln would be so pleased.:mad:
 

madame_zora

Sexy Member
Joined
May 5, 2004
Posts
9,608
Media
0
Likes
51
Points
258
Location
Ohio
Sexuality
100% Straight, 0% Gay
Do any of you have any idea how the world works at all? Most of these posts are so completely useless it boggles the mind, because they don't address reality at all!

People come here from Mexico because of migratory labor patterns that have existed for hundreds of years- BEFORE America was even a country!

People come here for work because they can make TEN TIMES as much money here than there. NOWHERE else in the world is the wage discrepancy so great across one border. Say you make $10 and hour on your job- would YOU cross a border to make $100? If you say no, you're a goddamned liar.

ALL of us are the decendants of immigrants. Shut the fuck up.

Stop saying they should go through "proper chanels" as if that were a possiblity, your stupidity makes me sick. Read a book.