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My comment was not about the officers.
The thread topic is about police officers (or law enforcement officials) and how Judge DeFuria has responded. It is clearly about POLICE OFFICERS and your comments were clearly directed towards them when you said:
This is what SHOULD happen when the people with power ignore the Constitution.

The person being violated goes free and the idiots that abuse power get theirs.

Conservative and Republican apologists, please take note.

And learn to READ.

"Are You Smarter Than a 5th Grader" comes to mind.
You immediately decided to make it an attack on Conservatives and Republicans. Are you really so mentally malnourished that you cannot for one second even begin to think for yourself?

Once more Lex, you present yourself as a pompous ass with nary a clue as to what the world is about. Whereas I admit to my errors in life and the facts as they indeed are, you continually wave around the race card and feel sorry for yourself. (Yes, yes. I know you will deny it; but let me tell you it is in every one of your posts on any subject with any potential for substance--especially if there is even the slightest hint that your venerated Democratic chums are in any way fallible.) Isn't it about time you woke up, grew up and faced yourself in the mirror and admitted to where you have screwed up? Like it or not, when you are dragged to the side of the road, your attitude is only going to add to your difficulties. I know of which I speak because I have been arrested while being an arrogant fool and I have been arrested while being a drunken--but polite--fool and I have been arrested for just being myself. The worst was when I shot back dagger looks at the officers and mouthed off and resisted the arrest. I ended up with chipped teeth and more from my resistance--and I ain't even a technical minority! Who'd of thunk that they'd arrest a seemingly WASPY guy who just happened to look like a robbery suspect and then spit and cursed? But you wanna know something? (yeah I know, you really don't) I never once blamed them for what they did. They were doing their job, trying their darndest to keep the streets safe. Then again, perhaps you'd rather have the streets running red in blood and guts and your home invaded by anyone who wants to go in and take whatever they want to, because that is the alternative which you are putting forward.

Stop blaming everyone else for everything that has gone wrong in your life and stop tossing around your sad sob story. How many more years are you going to spend drooling over the lies which are handed you by the Democrats and so-called Liberals?
 

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I would take the time to explain my comments, but you clearly can't read anyway.

This thread is NOT strictly about officers. It is about abuses of power, the Constitution, and what SHOULD happen when our Constitutional protections are ignored.

I neither want nor expect anyone to feel sorry for me. I am a SUCCESS story. I graduated top of my class in HS and college and am EXTREMELY successful--house, family, 3 cars, cat, career, decent looks, big heart (and dick--HA!).

That I STILL get treated like a crook by officers in spite of my achievements and accomplishments speaks volumes (except maybe to you and BD and Shelby)--wait--it's all in my mind, right?

I imagined that the cop in Western MD didn't really ask me what I was doing there (on business on behalf of the State Department) and if I owned my car (dressed in a suit he could not afford). Or the cop in Wesminister who drew his gun on me as I sat in an intersection coming from Home Depot (dirty from yardwork with mulch and wood in my truck). Nope. That shit NEVER happens or just happens to low-lifes, right? FUCK YOU with Zora's dick.

Next you repeat the last time you attacked me (over education) by apologizing and saying the you were in mired in the middle of your own miserable fucking drama filled life.

I will spare you the need by promptly ignoring you.

Good Night.
 

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It seems like the worst cops are always in Democratic controlled areas, that is, big cities, while suburban and rural cops aren't as bad. Why do you think that is?

My experience has been just the opposite. I've been treated more professionally and courteously by city cops than the rural redneck yokels in the red state hinterlands.
 

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Oh do get over yourself darling (sadly I must include all of the Lex post because he does have an annoying habit of editing his thoughts after responses come through)--

I would take the time to explain my comments, but you clearly can't read anyway.
I can sweetie, but obviously you cannot--must be that inferior education you got saddled with.

This thread is NOT strictly about officers. It is about abuses of power, the Constitution, and what SHOULD happen when our Constitutional protections are ignored.
It wasn't about Conservatives or Republicans either; however, you chose to toss them in there and they were in no way shape or form associated with the matter as far as one could tell. The subject matter began with police officers and a couple and a judge and the judge's ruling--I guess in your perverted mindset, that translates into Republican and Conservative and of course Conspiracy. I guess it further says to us that Democrats and Liberals are better than the rest of the world--really, you need to brush up on your history lessons and review the number of times Dems have also abused their power and the Constitution.

I neither want nor expect anyone to feel sorry for me. I am a SUCCESS story. I graduated top of my class in HS and college and am EXTREMELY successful--house, family, 3 cars, cat, career, decent looks, big heart (and dick--HA!).
Oh yes, so successful that you must tell us about it again and again and again and again and again and--clearly if you truly were in any way successful Richard, you would not have to keep telling us that you are. Success is not achieved by babbling "I am EXTREMELY successful" As for the house, family, cars (nice job you're doing there killing off the environment by the way) and the cat--a cardboard prefab house and 3 junk heaps do not mean a whole lot. As or your career--if it's so superb why keep screaming about it? Looks? Your looks are what they are, and they do not impress me. You look like--well, I am a gentleman so I won't say it. And if they are so fabulous, why keep telling us? People will make their own decisions on your appearance.

(And for the record, I also graduated at the top of my High School class)

That I STILL get treated like a crook by officers in spite of my achievements and accomplishments speaks volumes (except maybe to you and BD and Shelby)--wait--it's all in my mind, right?
Speaking of READING what someone posts--take another look at when I was arrested and beaten down. I was doing well at the time in all other aspects of my life, but I fit a description--perhaps that is what happened to you and you compounded your difficulties by being the pompous ass that you always are.

I imagined that the cop in Western MD didn't really ask me what I was doing there (on business on behalf of the State Department) and if I owned my car (dressed in a suit he could not afford). Or the cop in Wesminister who drew his gun on me as I sat in an intersection coming from Home Depot (dirty from yardwork with mulch and wood in my truck). Nope. That shit NEVER happens or just happens to low-lifes, right? FUCK YOU with Zora's dick.
Two things here--for a success, why do you need someone else to fight your battles? and again, READ what I told you about my arrests.

Next you repeat the last time you attacked me (over education) by apologizing and saying the you were in mired in the middle of your own miserable fucking drama filled life.
Oh you are such a class(less) act Lex. Go back to a time when I was destroying myself on a daily basis (and it was my choice to do so, because, I knew what the consequences would be) and wave that in front of me. Once more Lex, you prove to all the world that you are nothing but a pompous ass. Sure the folks here will stand up and play their games with you and kowtow to you and call you a saint but the facts speak for themselves.

I will spare you the need by promptly ignoring you.

Good Night.
You spend a hell of a lot of time clacking out responses for someone who is ignoring me--again, your actions tell us more than you might think.
 

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My experience has been just the opposite. I've been treated more professionally and courteously by city cops than the rural redneck yokels in the red state hinterlands.


Ha, try being interracial. Back in the 80s, I actually had a cop in southern Kentucky tell me not to let the sun go down on my black ass. What was really hilarious about this was that I was only there because I was dating his MOONSHINE RUNNER! Rednecks are so fucking cute.

No, cops are not "better" in rural areas. They are usually less literate, less creative in their thinking, and fucking lazy. They get pissed when they actually have to do something. Several years ago, the very small town I was living in was finally getting 911 service, which they had not formerly had, because so many of the streets did not have names. They were going through the process of naming streets and updating the maps, and the cops were pissed, because now they'd have to actually run their calls instead of ignoring them, claiming they couldn't find someone's house.

Rural communites are different though, as they tend to govern themselves without much help from the police. Your neighbors will let you know when you step out of line, or are just unwanted. Lex, myself, or anyone not quite white enough knows better than to try to settle down "in the country" if we expect to be treated like human beings.
 

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Ha, try being interracial. Back in the 80s, I actually had a cop in southern Kentucky tell me not to let the sun go down on my black ass. What was really hilarious about this was that I was only there because I was dating his MOONSHINE RUNNER! Rednecks are so fucking cute.


Now you are black!?! You've got me so confused.:rolleyes:
 

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As I understand it, in the UK the law does allow people to use 'reasonable force' to defend their property if necessary but I think it's rather vague on the subject of what's considered reasonable. I think a certain amount depends on the circumstances.

In the US the laws vary state by state.

In many states it is completely legal for a homeowner to shoot and kill an intruder who is clearly trying to break into a home occupied as a primary dwelling. The homeowner may later face civil lawsuits over the use of force but the state won't put him in jail for defending his home and family.

On the other hand, one cannot use deadly force to prevent simple property crimes. A clear threat to physical safety is required for that.
 

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In the US the laws vary state by state.

In many states it is completely legal for a homeowner to shoot and kill an intruder who is clearly trying to break into a home occupied as a primary dwelling. The homeowner may later face civil lawsuits over the use of force but the state won't put him in jail for defending his home and family.

On the other hand, one cannot use deadly force to prevent simple property crimes. A clear threat to physical safety is required for that.

That's not the case here in Florida anymore since they passed a new law. You can be out on the streets (let alone your home) and if you feel threatened you have no obligation to retreat. That in combination with conceal/carry permits. Hoo...hoo... wild, wild, west.
 

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Rural communites are different though, as they tend to govern themselves without much help from the police. Your neighbors will let you know when you step out of line, or are just unwanted. Lex, myself, or anyone not quite white enough knows better than to try to settle down "in the country" if we expect to be treated like human beings.

Funny, its those same types of rural communities that often self-righteously label themselves as being friendly, neighborly and family oriented. Solid, traditional values all around. Not like the wicked cities, right?

Just don't drive through those communities while black or brown.
 

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Funny, its those same types of rural communities that often self-righteously label themselves as being friendly, neighborly and family oriented. Solid, traditional values all around. Not like the wicked cities, right?

Just don't drive through those communities while black or brown.

Traditional values include hating niggers. Why do you think I spend so much time wailing about how much I dislike "tradition"?
 

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Now you are black!?! You've got me so confused.:rolleyes:


Haha, depends on your point of perspective, I guess. I'm not African, but I am dark. My father is from India, so I'm a nice medium brown shade. To your average redneck, that's black enough.

Most country people are very nice, warm, delightful people, but the thickheads in the country seem especially thick. I've never been called a nigger in a city, but it's happened quite often in rural areas. One of my favorite times was in West Virginia when my neighbor across the street offered to fix me up with his brother. This guy was a real prize, and I could only imagine how "appealing" his brother would be. Since I knew I was only there for six months, I politely declined by saying that I was only there for a brief time, and thought it would be improper to begin a relationship, but I thanked him for thinking of me. Wouldn't you know, I was a nigger the rest of the time I lived there, and actually left sooner than scheduled because the KKK were in my front yard with burning torches chanting "Nigger, go home". I took their advice.
 

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That's not the case in here in Florida anymore. You can be out on the steets and if you feel threatened you have no obligation to retreat. That in combination with conceal/carry permits. Hoo...hoo... wild, wild, west.

Interesting. And worrying.

I personally have mixed feelings about concealed carry laws. A number of my friends have those permits but they really don't make me feel any safer. I certainly can understand why people want permits but America has a problem with gun violence and I'm not convinced that the answer lies in more guns on the streets.

If a Florida resident needs only to "feel threatened" before opening fire, I'm even more worried. I'd hate to catch a bullet just because I accidentally startled someone who was nervous and edgy.
 

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Interesting. And worrying.

I personally have mixed feelings about concealed carry laws. A number of my friends have those permits but they really don't make me feel any safer. I certainly can understand why people want permits but America has a problem with gun violence and I'm not convinced that the answer lies in more guns on the streets.

If a Florida resident needs only to "feel threatened" before opening fire, I'm even more worried. I'd hate to catch a bullet just because I accidentally startled someone who was nervous and edgy.

Well it wouldn't bother me so much if it wasn't for the occasional nut who shoots firsts and asks questions later. But I see it in some ways, for me at least, as putting me on equal grounds with gun carrying thugs. You should see who these scum bags victimize.

There was a day when criminals would do their crime and then runaway w/o killing the victims. Today movies, TV, and music has given them the idea that life is cheap and that it is better to get rid of the witnesses. Very, very different times.
 

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My experience with "rural v. urban" police seems to be that the urban cops seem to fall into mind-numbing routines, and perform their jobs almost as automatons - and therefore don't like to see the "wrong types walking or driving through the wrong neighborhoods." They arrest the same winos and hookers and crack dealers time after time, day after day.

The rural boys, on the other hand, have boringly slow jobs and much less tax base - very often on ticket-writing quotas. The tiny little towns will find the best curve in the road, post little-warning speed limits, and have a special speed trap spot. Bubba sits there and picks his nose until some speeding out-of-towner (hopefully one of them uppity city folk) gets caught, and has to pay the $200 speeding ticket.

Not an easy job, either way, but still there's no room for a lot of the profiling that goes on. And certainly no room for bad practices.

My brother was a cop for years, but finally gave it up because he was getting in the way of some of the "less-than-honest" cops. So I do have respect for the good ones, but it seems that there just aren't enough of the good ones around.
 

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The bastards cops and prosecutors I don't like are the ones that are afraid of the video cameras being turned on them. They actually tell you to stop and arrest you for harassment, impeding the law, stalking... if you don't. It's just fucking ridiculous.

Moral: Never let them see you take the vids and take them from a smart vantage point that will not reveal your position if you are at home. Send them anonymously to three local areas news outlets and to the police. But do not get involved period. Deny, deny, deny.

I may know someone who sent the above idea to the ACLU and NAACP and asked them to sponsor community cameras. I wonder how far that got.


There are GOOD cops. Its the few that rot the barrel of apples.

BTW, why are cops wearing black masks when they go arrest someone. Covert my ass. It is just not right.

And why the fuck do the action junkies have to arrest the David Koreshes at their compounds for fuck sake. Let them come into town and buy groceries when you serve the warrant. Lazy fucks.
 

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Interesting. And worrying.

I personally have mixed feelings about concealed carry laws. A number of my friends have those permits but they really don't make me feel any safer. I certainly can understand why people want permits but America has a problem with gun violence and I'm not convinced that the answer lies in more guns on the streets.

If a Florida resident needs only to "feel threatened" before opening fire, I'm even more worried. I'd hate to catch a bullet just because I accidentally startled someone who was nervous and edgy.


What bothers me is that Florida is Ohio's retirement home. I'm not kidding, I've met more people from Ohio there than here practically. I wouldn't want these people carrying any more guns than they are now, believe me.
 

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Excellent. Perhaps the law enforcement community will go back to 3rd grade and review the text of the 4th Amendment to the US Constitution.

I can guarantee that if any law enforcement officers EVER try to enter my home under similar circumstances, I won't treat them nearly as nicely as did Mr. Coffin.


Absolutely. The and last two men I have chosen, and I have been of a like mindset. It is the responsibility of the adults of a household to protect that household. Any intruder in the homes of my current boyfriend or last love interest will never breathe again. No one is walking out of my house if I didn't let them in. The thought-process is that anyone who bypasses whatever security is in place has serious intentions which can only be to the detriment of the people inside. Be those serious intentions justified or frivolous, it is every living beings obligation and primary drive to defend itself.

Last night, my boyfriend purchased a fabulous sword for his collection. As I helped him weigh the pros and cons of purchasing a sword like that one which is unbelievably sharp, and more than strong enough for meaningful use, I asked him,

"Well, do you ever intend to use it? You can't practice with a sword like that. Can you?"

His response: "No. I practice with a [wooden sword]. If I ever find anyone trespassing in our home, this sword and I will defend you."

I know that is not limited to the run-of-the-mill burgurlar. We have both been falsely arrested and do not support police for any reason, at any time.

This is a pleasing bit of case law indeed. Who cares if the fight could have been avoided by him coming outside? Why is there still a remaining charge of taking a weapon from a deputy? That cop is lucky not to have been electrocuted. I would not have been kind enough to simply pistol whip an intruder. Those corupt officers are lucky to be alive, and don't seem the least grateful for the mercy of Mr. Coffin.
 

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What bothers me is that Florida is Ohio's retirement home. I'm not kidding, I've met more people from Ohio there than here practically. I wouldn't want these people carrying any more guns than they are now, believe me.

Florida is everyone's retirement home. LOL My entire family is there practically. And we're from Barbados. Many of them were born back on the island.
 

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I may know someone who sent the above idea to the ACLU and NAACP and asked them to sponsor community cameras. I wonder how far that got.

No such thing as a good cop. People you would refer to as good cops are good people, with misguided notions of how to serve a community. Cops are gangsters. End of story.

I am hoping to participate with a group of people who distribute information, and do covert surveilance of police officers. I don't know about public cameras, but I do know that guerilla warfare is alive and well in these United States. DC_Deep is right. Being a real patriot is hard work.
 

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No such thing as a good cop. People you would refer to as good cops are good people, with misguided notions of how to serve a community. Cops are gangsters. End of story.

I am hoping to participate with a group of people who distribute information, and do covert surveilance of police officers. I don't know about public cameras, but I do know that guerilla warfare is alive and well in these United States. DC_Deep is right. Being a real patriot is hard work.

I think I love you.