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Demonizing police yields more vicious inner city crime?

An article in the WallStreet Journal

Headlines were seized this month by the ambush and murder of three American women and six children by drug traffickers in Mexico. Americans were naturally shocked by the brutality of the cartels. But it would be a mistake to think it doesn’t happen here. Similarly brutal crimes frequently occur among black Americans in our own cities, generating much less coverage. There are signs that gang violence is rising—and spilling over its boundaries in a way that puts more innocent people at risk.

Street gangs and other criminal rings have even abandoned an implicit moral code that prohibits targeting “civilians”—women, children and others not directly involved in their “beefs.” In more than 40 years of working with local anticrime groups and documenting their solutions to youth violence, I have never witnessed the depravity that is occurring today on the streets of black neighborhoods around America.

Nationwide, the tragic number of unsolved murders was documented in a 2018 study by the Washington Post that mapped nearly 55,000 homicides in 55 cities. The study identified inner-city areas “where murder is common but arrests are rare,” dubbing these crime-plagued communities “pockets of impunity.”

Take St. Louis, where 14 children and teens were shot dead in a three-month period from May through July. By August, only one arrest had been made in any of those cases—a bleak trend police attribute to locals’ unwillingness to report suspects. Even the brother of a victim declared that “around St. Louis we don’t snitch on people. We keep it in the streets.”

In Chicago, gang members recently kidnapped and shot a 9-year-old brother of a rival in an execution-style retaliatory strike. These thugs consider the deaths of innocent toddlers and children to be collateral damage of street warfare. Victims include a 2-year-old shot to death in her mother’s arms and a 7-year-old dressed as a bumblebee shot while trick-or-treating.

Children are perpetrators as well as victims of this violence. In Minneapolis, mobs of robbers have beaten victims unconscious and kicked them in the face even while they lay helpless. According to police reports, the attackers include girls as young as 13. In Washington, about a dozen attackers, who police believe to be boys and girls ages 14 and 15, attacked two men mercilessly outside a Hilton hotel, kicking and stomping them while they were injured and on the ground. All these young perpetrators were black.

Low-income black neighborhoods throughout the U.S. are becoming more isolated and more dangerous in part because of the efforts of self-proclaimed social-justice warriors, including members of Black Lives Matter. These activists demonize law enforcement, making it harder for police to gain residents’ trust. They sometimes openly celebrate violence against police.

As hostility to law enforcement has increased, antipolice demonstrations and protests have resulted in “police nullification.” These are instances when officers stand down, opting not to enforce certain laws, to avoid accusations of racism. Their withdrawal makes dangerous neighborhoods even more vulnerable.

These attacks on law enforcement have caused a sharp drop in police recruitment. According to one survey, 62% of police departments nationally have reported decreases in recruiting in recent years. Minneapolis police reported that, in a one-year period, they were unable to respond immediately to more than 6,000 “priority one” 911 calls, which include reports of sexual assault, shootings and robberies.

Adding to this devastation, many black social critics, pundits and professors articulate a message of despair, victimhood and conflict. They tell people trapped in these inner-city killing fields that regardless of what blacks are doing to one another, it isn’t their fault. For them, blames lies only with the legacy of slavery and Jim Crow.

To avoid having to explain why these problems persist after 40 years of black political rule in many of these cities, the apologists point to their all-purpose villain: systemic and institutional racism. Police and prosecutors, they say, are merely enforcers of white-supremacist culture that pervades society. The most dangerous thing about this message is that it exempts inner-city blacks from personal responsibility and suggests they are helpless in the face of their circumstances.

The elite promoters of this blanket forgiveness don’t suffer the consequences of their advocacy because they don’t live in the ZIP Codes where rates of crime and violence are high. Most live in safe, well-to-do communities where the police are encouraged to enforce the laws, supplemented by private security.

As the social-justice warriors and race-grievance experts continue to wage war against the police, trust of law enforcement deteriorates further, and predators face no consequences. Law-abiding citizens in the afflicted communities are sometimes forced to seek protection from the people preying on them. America is on the verge of surrendering authority to the lawless forces in our inner cities. In short, we could have Mexico in America.

Opinion | America’s Inner-City Cartels
 

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Demonizing police yields more vicious inner city crime?

An article in the WallStreet Journal

Headlines were seized this month by the ambush and murder of three American women and six children by drug traffickers in Mexico. Americans were naturally shocked by the brutality of the cartels. But it would be a mistake to think it doesn’t happen here. Similarly brutal crimes frequently occur among black Americans in our own cities, generating much less coverage. There are signs that gang violence is rising—and spilling over its boundaries in a way that puts more innocent people at risk.

Street gangs and other criminal rings have even abandoned an implicit moral code that prohibits targeting “civilians”—women, children and others not directly involved in their “beefs.” In more than 40 years of working with local anticrime groups and documenting their solutions to youth violence, I have never witnessed the depravity that is occurring today on the streets of black neighborhoods around America.

Nationwide, the tragic number of unsolved murders was documented in a 2018 study by the Washington Post that mapped nearly 55,000 homicides in 55 cities. The study identified inner-city areas “where murder is common but arrests are rare,” dubbing these crime-plagued communities “pockets of impunity.”

Take St. Louis, where 14 children and teens were shot dead in a three-month period from May through July. By August, only one arrest had been made in any of those cases—a bleak trend police attribute to locals’ unwillingness to report suspects. Even the brother of a victim declared that “around St. Louis we don’t snitch on people. We keep it in the streets.”

In Chicago, gang members recently kidnapped and shot a 9-year-old brother of a rival in an execution-style retaliatory strike. These thugs consider the deaths of innocent toddlers and children to be collateral damage of street warfare. Victims include a 2-year-old shot to death in her mother’s arms and a 7-year-old dressed as a bumblebee shot while trick-or-treating.

Children are perpetrators as well as victims of this violence. In Minneapolis, mobs of robbers have beaten victims unconscious and kicked them in the face even while they lay helpless. According to police reports, the attackers include girls as young as 13. In Washington, about a dozen attackers, who police believe to be boys and girls ages 14 and 15, attacked two men mercilessly outside a Hilton hotel, kicking and stomping them while they were injured and on the ground. All these young perpetrators were black.

Low-income black neighborhoods throughout the U.S. are becoming more isolated and more dangerous in part because of the efforts of self-proclaimed social-justice warriors, including members of Black Lives Matter. These activists demonize law enforcement, making it harder for police to gain residents’ trust. They sometimes openly celebrate violence against police.

As hostility to law enforcement has increased, antipolice demonstrations and protests have resulted in “police nullification.” These are instances when officers stand down, opting not to enforce certain laws, to avoid accusations of racism. Their withdrawal makes dangerous neighborhoods even more vulnerable.

These attacks on law enforcement have caused a sharp drop in police recruitment. According to one survey, 62% of police departments nationally have reported decreases in recruiting in recent years. Minneapolis police reported that, in a one-year period, they were unable to respond immediately to more than 6,000 “priority one” 911 calls, which include reports of sexual assault, shootings and robberies.

Adding to this devastation, many black social critics, pundits and professors articulate a message of despair, victimhood and conflict. They tell people trapped in these inner-city killing fields that regardless of what blacks are doing to one another, it isn’t their fault. For them, blames lies only with the legacy of slavery and Jim Crow.

To avoid having to explain why these problems persist after 40 years of black political rule in many of these cities, the apologists point to their all-purpose villain: systemic and institutional racism. Police and prosecutors, they say, are merely enforcers of white-supremacist culture that pervades society. The most dangerous thing about this message is that it exempts inner-city blacks from personal responsibility and suggests they are helpless in the face of their circumstances.

The elite promoters of this blanket forgiveness don’t suffer the consequences of their advocacy because they don’t live in the ZIP Codes where rates of crime and violence are high. Most live in safe, well-to-do communities where the police are encouraged to enforce the laws, supplemented by private security.

As the social-justice warriors and race-grievance experts continue to wage war against the police, trust of law enforcement deteriorates further, and predators face no consequences. Law-abiding citizens in the afflicted communities are sometimes forced to seek protection from the people preying on them. America is on the verge of surrendering authority to the lawless forces in our inner cities. In short, we could have Mexico in America.

Opinion | America’s Inner-City Cartels

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Demonizing police yields more vicious inner city crime?

An article in the WallStreet Journal

Headlines were seized this month by the ambush and murder of three American women and six children by drug traffickers in Mexico. Americans were naturally shocked by the brutality of the cartels. But it would be a mistake to think it doesn’t happen here. Similarly brutal crimes frequently occur among black Americans in our own cities, generating much less coverage. There are signs that gang violence is rising—and spilling over its boundaries in a way that puts more innocent people at risk.

Street gangs and other criminal rings have even abandoned an implicit moral code that prohibits targeting “civilians”—women, children and others not directly involved in their “beefs.” In more than 40 years of working with local anticrime groups and documenting their solutions to youth violence, I have never witnessed the depravity that is occurring today on the streets of black neighborhoods around America.

Nationwide, the tragic number of unsolved murders was documented in a 2018 study by the Washington Post that mapped nearly 55,000 homicides in 55 cities. The study identified inner-city areas “where murder is common but arrests are rare,” dubbing these crime-plagued communities “pockets of impunity.”

Take St. Louis, where 14 children and teens were shot dead in a three-month period from May through July. By August, only one arrest had been made in any of those cases—a bleak trend police attribute to locals’ unwillingness to report suspects. Even the brother of a victim declared that “around St. Louis we don’t snitch on people. We keep it in the streets.”

In Chicago, gang members recently kidnapped and shot a 9-year-old brother of a rival in an execution-style retaliatory strike. These thugs consider the deaths of innocent toddlers and children to be collateral damage of street warfare. Victims include a 2-year-old shot to death in her mother’s arms and a 7-year-old dressed as a bumblebee shot while trick-or-treating.

Children are perpetrators as well as victims of this violence. In Minneapolis, mobs of robbers have beaten victims unconscious and kicked them in the face even while they lay helpless. According to police reports, the attackers include girls as young as 13. In Washington, about a dozen attackers, who police believe to be boys and girls ages 14 and 15, attacked two men mercilessly outside a Hilton hotel, kicking and stomping them while they were injured and on the ground. All these young perpetrators were black.

Low-income black neighborhoods throughout the U.S. are becoming more isolated and more dangerous in part because of the efforts of self-proclaimed social-justice warriors, including members of Black Lives Matter. These activists demonize law enforcement, making it harder for police to gain residents’ trust. They sometimes openly celebrate violence against police.

As hostility to law enforcement has increased, antipolice demonstrations and protests have resulted in “police nullification.” These are instances when officers stand down, opting not to enforce certain laws, to avoid accusations of racism. Their withdrawal makes dangerous neighborhoods even more vulnerable.

These attacks on law enforcement have caused a sharp drop in police recruitment. According to one survey, 62% of police departments nationally have reported decreases in recruiting in recent years. Minneapolis police reported that, in a one-year period, they were unable to respond immediately to more than 6,000 “priority one” 911 calls, which include reports of sexual assault, shootings and robberies.

Adding to this devastation, many black social critics, pundits and professors articulate a message of despair, victimhood and conflict. They tell people trapped in these inner-city killing fields that regardless of what blacks are doing to one another, it isn’t their fault. For them, blames lies only with the legacy of slavery and Jim Crow.

To avoid having to explain why these problems persist after 40 years of black political rule in many of these cities, the apologists point to their all-purpose villain: systemic and institutional racism. Police and prosecutors, they say, are merely enforcers of white-supremacist culture that pervades society. The most dangerous thing about this message is that it exempts inner-city blacks from personal responsibility and suggests they are helpless in the face of their circumstances.

The elite promoters of this blanket forgiveness don’t suffer the consequences of their advocacy because they don’t live in the ZIP Codes where rates of crime and violence are high. Most live in safe, well-to-do communities where the police are encouraged to enforce the laws, supplemented by private security.

As the social-justice warriors and race-grievance experts continue to wage war against the police, trust of law enforcement deteriorates further, and predators face no consequences. Law-abiding citizens in the afflicted communities are sometimes forced to seek protection from the people preying on them. America is on the verge of surrendering authority to the lawless forces in our inner cities. In short, we could have Mexico in America.

Opinion | America’s Inner-City Cartels
Should have the disclaimer at the top of the piece that it's an op-ed, opinion piece. This is not news.
 

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So you are good with lots of dead black children.

As always, you're the master of attributing to people things they never said.

It would be an effective debating tactic, if it weren't so extremely transparent.
 

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Doesn't it get tiring posting and responding to garbage like this? I have tried to calmly and rationally debate a couple of people with extreme views in other political threads, and they always respond with the same few obfuscation techniques, over and over. No real discussion is had, since no factual points are ever acknowledged. It seems a tiresome endeavor.

Certainly in this thread, the opening intent clearly appears to be inflammatory, as it is an opinion piece from a notoriously skewed source. Further, the response to a clearly satiric answer (which let's face it, is really the only logical kind of repartee in cases like this) is a ridiculous assertion, that I'm quite sure even the poster knows is hyperbolic. (He does, right?)

But, to what end? I can't for the life of me understand why these kinds of extreme opinions are put up, masquerading as topics of conversation. If you TRULY view the world at such an extremely slanted angle, experience shows that no amount of logical argument will change your view - lately, even in the slightest. Neither will you rally any support to your cause by lobbing an incendiary bomb like this, especially if your secondary salvo is to immediately make wild accusations, as I'm sure you well know.

So just, why? It wastes everyone's time. Wouldn't you be better served by looking at all the nice dicks this site has on offer? Black or white, they only shoot when you want them to...alright, sometimes before you want them to, but still...maybe you could get a rip-roaring debate going about that.
 

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Doesn't it get tiring posting and responding to garbage like this? I have tried to calmly and rationally debate a couple of people with extreme views in other political threads, and they always respond with the same few obfuscation techniques, over and over. No real discussion is had, since no factual points are ever acknowledged. It seems a tiresome endeavor.

Certainly in this thread, the opening intent clearly appears to be inflammatory, as it is an opinion piece from a notoriously skewed source. Further, the response to a clearly satiric answer (which let's face it, is really the only logical kind of repartee in cases like this) is a ridiculous assertion, that I'm quite sure even the poster knows is hyperbolic. (He does, right?)

But, to what end? I can't for the life of me understand why these kinds of extreme opinions are put up, masquerading as topics of conversation. If you TRULY view the world at such an extremely slanted angle, experience shows that no amount of logical argument will change your view - lately, even in the slightest. Neither will you rally any support to your cause by lobbing an incendiary bomb like this, especially if your secondary salvo is to immediately make wild accusations, as I'm sure you well know.

So just, why? It wastes everyone's time. Wouldn't you be better served by looking at all the nice dicks this site has on offer? Black or white, they only shoot when you want them to...alright, sometimes before you want them to, but still...maybe you could get a rip-roaring debate going about that.

“Notoriously skewed “ the Wall Street Journal? You need to read more. That is ridiculous on its face.
 

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Doesn't it get tiring posting and responding to garbage like this? I have tried to calmly and rationally debate a couple of people with extreme views in other political threads, and they always respond with the same few obfuscation techniques, over and over. No real discussion is had, since no factual points are ever acknowledged. It seems a tiresome endeavor.

Certainly in this thread, the opening intent clearly appears to be inflammatory, as it is an opinion piece from a notoriously skewed source. Further, the response to a clearly satiric answer (which let's face it, is really the only logical kind of repartee in cases like this) is a ridiculous assertion, that I'm quite sure even the poster knows is hyperbolic. (He does, right?)

But, to what end? I can't for the life of me understand why these kinds of extreme opinions are put up, masquerading as topics of conversation. If you TRULY view the world at such an extremely slanted angle, experience shows that no amount of logical argument will change your view - lately, even in the slightest. Neither will you rally any support to your cause by lobbing an incendiary bomb like this, especially if your secondary salvo is to immediately make wild accusations, as I'm sure you well know.

So just, why? It wastes everyone's time. Wouldn't you be better served by looking at all the nice dicks this site has on offer? Black or white, they only shoot when you want them to...alright, sometimes before you want them to, but still...maybe you could get a rip-roaring debate going about that.
Thik has started many threads intended to be inflammatory, it's his thing. Then backs it all up with a bunch of WSJ op-eds. Nonsense.
 

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As always, you're the master of attributing to people things they never said.

It would be an effective debating tactic, if it weren't so extremely transparent.[/QUOTE

Of course it is transparent and you use it all the time.

“Stop and frisk/ broken windows” reduced murders in NYC from over 2000/yr to 700 or so. If you are against the solutions that reduce murder then it isn’t tough to make the jump that you don’t care about murder of children. Or you care about child death but not enough to resist the move to weaken good police work. How do you see it? ( Here comes the typical pie in the sky liberal mantra “ spend more money, more daycare, more free housing, more money spent on education blah blah blah)

BLM is against close quarter active policing. Police have backed off and now murder rates are rising. I can make a very grounded argument that close quarter policing saved about 15000 young black deaths in NYC alone.

We have had a handful of black deaths by cops and literally scores of black children deaths by murder, but good intense police work that saves children’s lives is being vilified?
 

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As always, you're the master of attributing to people things they never said.

It would be an effective debating tactic, if it weren't so extremely transparent.

Of course it is transparent and you use it all the time.

“Stop and frisk/ broken windows” reduced murders in NYC from over 2000/yr to 700 or so. If you are against the solutions that reduce murder then it isn’t tough to make the jump that you don’t care about murder of children. Or you care about child death but not enough to resist the move to weaken good police work. How do you see it? ( Here comes the typical pie in the sky liberal mantra “ spend more money, more daycare, more free housing, more money spent on education blah blah blah)

BLM is against close quarter active policing. Police have backed off and now murder rates are rising. I can make a very grounded argument that close quarter policing saved about 15000 young black deaths in NYC alone.

We have had a handful of black deaths by cops and literally scores of black children deaths by murder, but good intense police work that saves children’s lives is being vilified?
 

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Of course it is transparent and you use it all the time.

"I know you are, but what am I?"? Really? You reached all the way back to grade school for that one.

“Stop and frisk/ broken windows” reduced murders in NYC from over 2000/yr to 700 or so. If you are against the solutions that reduce murder then it isn’t tough to make the jump that you don’t care about murder of children. Or you care about child death but not enough to resist the move to weaken good police work. How do you see it? ( Here comes the typical pie in the sky liberal mantra “ spend more money, more daycare, more free housing, more money spent on education blah blah blah)

BLM is against close quarter active policing. Police have backed off and now murder rates are rising. I can make a very grounded argument that close quarter policing saved about 15000 young black deaths in NYC alone.

We have had a handful of black deaths by cops and literally scores of black children deaths by murder, but good intense police work that saves children’s lives is being vilified?

If only there were some distant, unknown place to be found between the terrible extremes of police victimizing black citizens and police ignoring black crime. Some faraway, magical fantasy realm. What might we call it? Perhaps . . . a "middle ground"! Yes, yes, that's it! Oh, if only such a wonderful world existed! Do you think it ever could?
 
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"I know you are, but what am I?"? Really? You reached all the way back to grade school for that one.



If only there were some distant, unknown place to be found between the terrible extremes of police victimizing black citizens and police ignoring black crime. Some faraway, magical fantasy realm. What might we call it? Perhaps . . . a "middle ground"! Yes, yes, that's it! Oh, if only such a wonderful world existed! Do you think it ever could?

Middle ground? Describe that in detail.
 

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It's the ground, the part in the middle ... between a thing on one side and something on the other.
Nowadays it's a fantasy realm, I think. It doesn't get the soundbite-fear riled up the way polar extremes do, so it's a destination barely visited anymore. Thik won't even acknowledge understanding of its existence, evidently, so...

It's sad, really. Almost no one lives their lives in the extremes 24/7, and yet it seems to be too much of a bother today to actually present, let alone THINK about subjects in anything but extremes. It's so much easier to portray a purpose-driven hit piece, a parody of critical thought (such as the Wall Street Journal opinion piece/polemic quoted above) as investigative journalism. Or for those who don't like reading, to have opinion and marketing masquerading as news harangued at them from Breitbart, Fox, or QAnon, who dedicate their time and resources to nothing but extremes, facts be damned.

Life is one big middle, mostly. (Yes, like all rules, there are exceptions to that one, too...thus I said "mostly.") As such, we would do well to acknowledge that and act accordingly. If your true objective is to debate, and maybe learn something in the process, then you would do well to listen, investigate, and discuss rather than deflect.

If, however, your objective is to rabble-rouse, then how nice for you. If that is what gets you out of bed in the morning, I suppose it is what it is.