An interesting ban (my intention is an impartial discussion)

Discussion in 'Et Cetera, Et Cetera' started by ManlyBanisters, May 30, 2010.

  1. ManlyBanisters

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    'What?', you say - well I said that too - It was this:

    In the ever popular :rolleyes: http://www.lpsg.org/182934-failure-of-socialism.html thread spiker posted a link to a video and he later claimed had an embedded virus in the targeted page:

    He later posted this:

    It appears from the lack of red text in the Mod actions thread entry that this is a perma-ban.

    I don't really have a personal take on spiker other than my experience of him is that he likes to provoke reaction and my assumption (a dangerous thing, I know) is that that is what he was doing here.

    But, motivation aside, what do people think of this ban?

    A member posts a harmless link and later, when some people may have accessed it, claims it was malicious. About 2 hours later* the same member states that there was no malicious content on the linked page. The actual time the link was up is immaterial as there was never any threat.

    * That's the time frame as best as I can work out from Edit times shown on other posts before and after the quoted posts.

    I don't think there is any question that a member doing that is trying to dupe and spook at least part of the LPSG membership - but is it really deserving on a permanent ban? I'm more than happy than the mod team sees fit not to leave this kind of behaviour unpunished but perma-ban? Really? It is really a less acceptable behaviour that the repeated harassment and baiting that people get 7 and 30 day bans for?

    I see it as more of a parallel with a one off baiting / harassment type incident and I don't really understand why the different treatment.

    Certainly if a member intentionally links to a genuine malicious page I would be in favour of a permanent ban - but that's not what happened.

    Discuss.
     
  2. Drifterwood

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    I love it when you are assertive.

    Dumb prank - Yes

    Perm Ban - No

    People who do create viruses, have been the object of my most determined desire for violence, I admit. I used to fantasise about getting one of these geeks in a room with a baseball bat, and I wasn't intending on hitting them with it.
     
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    That'd definitely be fun to watch...lol
     
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    virus = lifetime banning. there is no excuse for that.
     
  5. yodiggity

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    virus or no virus and the guy said it was then he should be perma banned. one of my computers fell victim to a virus this past week and would like to get one of the geeks in a room and practice my juijitsu on him and make him pay to get my computer fixed since it was an oem windows system without a reset disk
     
  6. luka82

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    Why if it was a joke?
    Perm ban-no.
     
  7. ManlyBanisters

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    I have to agree with Luka, you're kinda missing the point.

    Why?

    We all hate viruses - but there wasn't one. Do we hate fake viruses as much? :confused:
     
  8. novice_btm

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    "But Mr. Airport-security-man, I was just joking about having a bomb." :rolleyes:

    Without discussing any specifics of this particular case, and strictly as a member, I don't take kindly to threats of a virus, whether they be on my computer, or a common cold. Keep your "ick", and even your threat of "ick", away from me.

    signed, self-admitted germaphobe
     
  9. luka82

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    Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut!
    I have to agree with Manly should it be perm?:confused:
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  10. ManlyBanisters

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    Do the people joking about having bombs get the same punishment as people actually carry bombs?

    Do you think they should?

    I'm not saying a user doing this (joking) should get off scot free - but should the punishment be so severe?
     
  11. novice_btm

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    I say we have Luka come to the States and try out the bomb joke, and see how it's handled. It's the only way we can know for sure. :biggrin1:
     
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    The Internet Age equivalent of screaming "FIRE!" in a crowded theater and causing a panic, IMO. Obviously in that scenario you'd likely face criminal and/or civil charges depending on how much damage you caused and the laws of the land, not to mention almost certainly being banned from ever returning to that establishment again.

    Given that a virus could have caused malicious damage to a substantial amount of people in the form of costs of computer repair/replacement, I think a perm-ban is about the least that should be done, frankly. Unfortunately a baseball bat to the knees is hard to accomplish through a computer screen.

    Basically, one site on the Internet lost one asshole. Ho-hum.
     
  13. novice_btm

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    WOW!!! I may be in love. Can I quote you on that, the next time there's a "Why was ______ banned?" thread?
    :biggrin1::biggrin1::biggrin1:
     
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    I agree a perm-ban is an overreaction to a dumb joking statement by Spiker. I read the posts yesterday and could tell he was bullshitting the other member he was arguing with. Looked at in the context of the inane discussion, it was very clear there was no virus. In fact I went to the link and opened it right away.

    IMO he should have been spanked, but not perm-banned given that there was no virus and he retracted the statement.
     
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    I think if you state you've added a virus to your post then you're asking for trouble - whether it was real or not.

    It's a stupid thing to do - whether perm bannable or not, I dunno. At least a temp ban tho.
     
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    (Eat me:biggrin1:)
     
  17. novice_btm

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    let me!!! :05:
     
  18. Northland

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    He erred. Was it worth banning him for the rest of all time? No.

    Considering the past of the Spiker, this may have actually been the needle in the haystack the Staff was waiting for. Spiker ruffled feathers, stayed mainly on one siide politically which brought in non-stop baiting and harrassment of himself- some of which he grabbed.


    It calls into question, should just the baited be banned or should the baiters also be included, especially when they gang up and repeatedly dangle their bait (lord knows they've nothing else to dangle:biggrin1:). A ban for those in increasing increments. 3 days/1 week/2 weeks/1 month/3 month/6 month/Forever, with a new slate being used if they've remained clean from violations for a year.


    Then agan, he did on a few occasions say he was leaving, even created threads to that end. I guess now he really has left.

    A month away would seem fairer on this.
     
  19. JF

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    From a technical point of view, we can either apply a Temporary Ban (for a set period of time) or a Ban (which never expires and is routinely termed a Permanent Ban). As you are aware, anyone who is banned has the right to appeal the ban. The appeal may see the ban lifted immediately, may see a fixed term being applied so that it becomes a Temporary Ban, or see no change to the ban at all.

    In all cases, though, the banned member must initiate the appeal for any further action to be considered by the Mod Team.

    We don't have the means to categorise bans as anything other than Temp or Perm.

    I know none of the above is 'new' but I'm simply saying that a Perm ban could be reduced to a Temp ban if Spiker067 were to sucessfully appeal it, but not until.

    (Please note that I'm explaining process and not hinting that an appeal will or won't succeed)
     
  20. novice_btm

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    Excellent points, JF! Several happily contributing current members, were the former banned.

    (Although I've not given up on my thoughts regarding "the Luka experiment". Just for the sake of certainty, of course.)
     
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