Angry Gays

[dreamer20]

Aren't you a Republican? I feel no sympathy for you honestly. The party you support props up those hateful churches. Really, if you look at it a certain way, you are partly responsible for this yourself. Your Republican vote empowered the Mormon church to do what it did, and empowers all religious authority to overstep their bounds and dictate to the rest of us how to live.

You voted with your pocketbook, and your heart will suffer for it. Reap what you sow.

Deal with your
Hypocrisy

Yes JP voted for the McCain*Palin team which espouses the same anti-gay views of these lot:

YouTube - Values Voter Debate: "The Homosexual Agenda"


Fortunately Obama was elected and hopefully several liberal judges will be appointed to the judiciary.:smile:

 

[B_starinvestor]

I never thought much about being gay and not being able to be legally married in the USA until one day The Squeeze got down on one knee and proposed to me. Even though he's my legal spouse, he's not allowed entrance into the USA (not that he's really interested in every traveling there). Still, God forbid if we're ever on a flight that gets "diverted" to the USA for safety reasons.

Anyway, I accepted The Squeeze's offer and now have a very large accepting extended family (his). It's rather amusing to finally have a mother-in-law who fusses over me. But more important, I've learned that there are definite rights and privileges that married couples enjoy that unmarried couples do not. For example, The Squeeze, because I'm a resident of Spain, can legally move about from Argentina to the E.U. Canada has no problem accepting our gay travel dollars and NEVER has anyone in any Canadian Province raised an eyebrow when we've checked into a hotel and asked for a room with a single double bed. And then there are the legal attachments that come with being married that are not part of a civil union. By default, The Squeeze will inherit everything I own because of or marital status. Just assigning someone all your worldly goods in a Will and making them the executor of your estate does not mean they will actually benefit from the designation upon your death in the USA. I should know. When my long time civil commitment ceremony guy of 9 years died unexpectedly back in 1995, I had to fight his mormon family from Burley, Idaho to keep their fucking sleazy hands off or "our" house and "our" property. I ended up selling our home to pay off his blood-sucking relatives (who had written him off when he was alive, but VERY interested in getting money from his death) and to pay of my court costs. It's the closest so far in my life that I ever came to seriously buying a gun and comittingi a mass murder -- in Idaho.

Just because you have a civil ceremony and all the legalese civil committment documents to go along with it DOES NOT GUARANTEE YOU FUCKING SHIT in the USA. Possibly it works in those few States that recognize gay marriages, but I can assure you that if you are gay and own property in joint tenancy, your partner's family can very easily lay claim to his or her estate -- and win.

Quit fucking deluding yourselves!

As much as I disagree with you most of the time, this makes my blood boil. The gov't has no business mandating civil rights, and when parasitic, bloodthirsty relatives come home to roost after the death of a forgotten family member, it is revolting and disgusting in every sense of the word. Sorry to hear that you were involved in that garbage, Midlife.

 

[earllogjam]

I don't think violence is the answer JP074. Though it may feel great and give you great satisfaction now it does little to sway the vast majority of Americans to our cause.

It's best not to get mad but rather get EVEN. Don't mistake anger with passion. Passion is what gets things done.

 

[B_starinvestor]

I don't think violence is the answer JP074. Though it may feel great and give you great satisfaction now it does little to sway the vast majority of Americans to our cause.

It's best not to get mad but rather get EVEN. Don't mistake anger with passion. Passion is what gets things done.

The pen is mightier than the sword - Edward Bulwer-Lytton

 

[JP0724]

Yes JP voted for the McCain*Palin team which espouses the same anti-gay views of these lot:

YouTube - Values Voter Debate: "The Homosexual Agenda"


Fortunately Obama was elected and hopefully several liberal judges will be appointed to the judiciary.:smile:

Just because I voted Republican doesn't mean that I do not support gay equality. You have to weigh ALL of the issues that are on the table when you vote, not just one. You vote for who will provide you with the direction that fits your over all ideas and values. My decision to back McCain was solely a financial decision, it had nothing to do with gay equality. Regardless of who I voted for President, it had no barring on these amendments being passed. These Amendments were passed by voters, black, white, republican and democrat, but just because some idiot votes for something, doesn't make it right.

 

[invisibleman]

I think the "Day Without a Gay" that is coming up next month, if people actually do it, will be a huge eye opener for many.

Day Without A Gay, December 10, 2008

You mean I have to stop prep work on my tranq darts, put up my wires and duct tape, and cease my black operational initiatives? I was ready to put my ninja uniform on and do some KILL BILL/MATRIX type combat on those friggin' Mormons and Prince, too. :frown1:

Damn. I guess I will call in gay at work and do something for the Susan Komen Foundation instead.

 

[3664shaken]

>>>We should be demanding equality, and demanding it now.

Equality is something earned not something demanded for, you have already stated that gay people earn more, perhaps heterosexuals should be demanding the equality.

>>>Gay people want the rights but no one wants to fight for them.

Hmmmm. Define rights???

>>>I think the Black community has the rights that they do because they stood up and demanded it.

Ahhhhh maybe you mean inalienable right, such as those defined by the founding fathers of the USA.


>>>I think it's time for a new tone in the gay campaign for equality.

I agree heterosexuals should demand some of your paychecks.

>>>I will no longer tolerate churches using the bible to justify inequality.

Neither will I the gays must pay/


>>>The Church used the bible to deny women the right to vote saying that the bible was against it, saying that women were not of the mental capacity to be equal to men.

OH DEAR, this is completely false, but nice talking point.

>>>I will not let the Bible dictate my rights.

That’s right neither will I – I demand the right to earn as much as a gay guy does – now give me YOUR money.

>>>We as a community need to hit back, and we need to keep hitting back until the American people understand that Gay Americans are no longer going to be pushed around.

I agree let’s tax them like the RICH, come on Obama, it’s about justice, let’s tax the gays at a 80% tax rate. It’s not about the revenue it’s about equality.

Let’s make heterosexual and gay pay the same.

 

[JP0724]

>>>We should be demanding equality, and demanding it now.

Equality is something earned not something demanded for, you have already stated that gay people earn more, perhaps heterosexuals should be demanding the equality.

>>>Gay people want the rights but no one wants to fight for them.

Hmmmm. Define rights???

>>>I think the Black community has the rights that they do because they stood up and demanded it.

Ahhhhh maybe you mean inalienable right, such as those defined by the founding fathers of the USA.


>>>I think it's time for a new tone in the gay campaign for equality.

I agree heterosexuals should demand some of your paychecks.

>>>I will no longer tolerate churches using the bible to justify inequality.

Neither will I the gays must pay/


>>>The Church used the bible to deny women the right to vote saying that the bible was against it, saying that women were not of the mental capacity to be equal to men.

OH DEAR, this is completely false, but nice talking point.

>>>I will not let the Bible dictate my rights.

That’s right neither will I – I demand the right to earn as much as a gay guy does – now give me YOUR money.

>>>We as a community need to hit back, and we need to keep hitting back until the American people understand that Gay Americans are no longer going to be pushed around.

I agree let’s tax them like the RICH, come on Obama, it’s about justice, let’s tax the gays at a 80% tax rate. It’s not about the revenue it’s about equality.

Let’s make heterosexual and gay pay the same.

>>>We should be demanding equality, and demanding it now.

Equality is something earned not something demanded for, you have already stated that gay people earn more, perhaps heterosexuals should be demanding the equality.

>>>Gay people want the rights but no one wants to fight for them.

Hmmmm. Define rights???

>>>I think the Black community has the rights that they do because they stood up and demanded it.

Ahhhhh maybe you mean inalienable right, such as those defined by the founding fathers of the USA.
**** I'M GLAD DISCRIMINATION IS SO HILARIOUS THAT YOU HAVE TO MAKE LITTLE JOKES.***


>>>I think it's time for a new tone in the gay campaign for equality.

I agree heterosexuals should demand some of your paychecks. *** WHAT THE F! DOES MONEY HAVE TO DO WITH CIVIL RIGHTS?***

>>>I will no longer tolerate churches using the bible to justify inequality.

Neither will I the gays must pay/ *** I'D LIKE TO SEE YOU MAKE A MAN PAY FOR ANYTHING OTHER THAN YOUR RENT AND CHILD SUPPORT ***


>>>The Church used the bible to deny women the right to vote saying that the bible was against it, saying that women were not of the mental capacity to be equal to men.

OH DEAR, this is completely false, but nice talking point. *** REALLY? WHAT HISTORY CLASS DID YOU TAKE IN COLLEGE? ***

>>>I will not let the Bible dictate my rights.

That’s right neither will I – I demand the right to earn as much as a gay guy does – now give me YOUR money. *** I'D RATHER SEE YOU AND ALL YOUR BASTARD CHILDREN STARVE TO DEATH OUTSIDE THE GATE TO MY HOME THAN TO GIVE YOU ANYTHING. YOU WANT SOMETHING, EARN IT. I'M SICK OF TRASH LIKE YOU ASKING FOR A HAND OUT ***

>>>We as a community need to hit back, and we need to keep hitting back until the American people understand that Gay Americans are no longer going to be pushed around.

I agree let’s tax them like the RICH, come on Obama, it’s about justice, let’s tax the gays at a 80% tax rate. It’s not about the revenue it’s about equality. ***WE ARE ALL TAXED AT OUR RESPECTIVE RATES REGARDLESS OF SEXUAL ORIENTATION, THAT'S EQUALITY***

Let’s make heterosexual and gay pay the same. *** IT BAFFLES ME HOW ANYONE CAN BE SO IGNORANT. HOMOSEXUALS DO NOT MAKE MORE MONEY BECAUSE THEY ARE GAY, THEY MAKE MORE MONEY BECAUSE THEY WORK HARDER, AND IN MANY CASES HAVE NO KIDS TO RUN HOME TO, OR IN YOUR CASE SOME ANNOYING WOMAN TO GO HOME TO.***

 

[dreamer20]

Aren't you a Republican? I feel no sympathy for you honestly. The party you support props up those hateful churches. Really, if you look at it a certain way, you are partly responsible for this yourself. Your Republican vote empowered the Mormon church to do what it did, and empowers all religious authority to overstep their bounds and dictate to the rest of us how to live.

You voted with your pocketbook, and your heart will suffer for it. Reap what you sow.

Deal with your
Hypocrisy

You vote for who will provide you with the direction that fits your over all ideas and values. My decision to back McCain was solely a financial decision, it had nothing to do with gay equality... just because some idiot votes for something, doesn't make it right.

Decades of electing republicans who discriminate against gays,want to re-criminalize homosexuality and appoint judges with similar views was a better fit JP? I hope you don't shoot yourself in the foot the next time as you did in voting for this anti-gay rights team:

President G.W.Bush attempted to have his religious based bigotry against gays written into the U.S. Constitution: June 5, 2006:

http://www.lpsg.org/28492-not-over-yet-bush-senators.html

Although McCain voted against that proposed ammendment his vote was not a pro-gay action. McCain believed that individual states and DOMA's anti-gay discrimination would present sufficient obstacles to same-sex unions. Furthermore he stated if the U.S. Supreme Court should ever reject DOMA as unconstitutional he would vote for that constitutional amendment to ban same-sex unions.

Senator John McCain: A Record of Opposing The Interests of GLBT Americans | 2008 Year to Win | Human Rights Campaign

John McCain possesses the same anti-gay sentiments as Bush. He is against gays adopting children. He voted for DOMA in 1996. He favors the DADT policy. He voted against the Employment Non-Discirmination Act in 1996.

In 2000, while he was running for the Republican presidential nomination against President Bush, Senator McCain endorsed a California ballot measure that blocked the recognition of same-sex marriages.

In 2005 McCain allied himself with the anti-gay Family Research Council and petitioned to have same-sex civil unions banned in his home state of Arizona. His efforts led to Arizona's 2006 the "Protection of Marriage" bill to ban same-sex marriage. McCain supported it but it failed to be passed.

The Family Research Council & Institute claim that the "traditional family" is under threat due to same-sex unions. They object to gays marrying and adopting children as in their opinion virtually all gays are sex-mad perverts. In addition, by virtue of being gay, they are pedophiles, mentally unstable, infected with STDs and quite likely will have sex with their adopted children. They wish to have homosexuality re-criminalized, if they could.

Sarah Palin supports federal gay marriage ban:

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jUUZ7NJlIM4Azi7MafXRythJutNgD93ULAF00

Excerpt:
NEW YORK (AP) — Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin says she supports a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage

 

[surferboy]

Equality is something earned not something demanded for, you have already stated that gay people earn more, perhaps heterosexuals should be demanding the equality.

by your logic, women should never have been granted suffrage (not that i agree with that, i'm just going with her logic). equality is not earned. equality should be granted to all, regardless of skin color, sexual orientation, religion, or gender.

Ahhhhh maybe you mean inalienable right, such as those defined by the founding fathers of the USA.

so...you acknowledge the inalienable rights?

I agree heterosexuals should demand some of your paychecks.

where the fuck are you getting that gay peoples make more than straight peoples? maybe you're just a lazy bitch? just a thought...also, money has nothing to do with civil rights

OH DEAR, this is completely false, but nice talking point.

the church used the bible to deny women a lot of things.


first off all, you're greedy and lazy. secondly, how can you full on say that equality is earned? what the fuck planet are you from?

 

[javyn]

Good post. Funny how Repubs love to rail about personal responsibility, yet are the last ones in the world willing to accept responsibility for their own actions. Yeah, there are many issues one must consider when choosing a party.

I consider myself pretty economically conservative. I have an econ educational background, and love Hayek, von Mises, etc. But guess what?

1. Repubs are not conservatives obviously, they are socialists but instead of re-distributing wealth to the poor they do it to the rich. See the bailout package and the burden it will place on taxpayers for generations to come.

2. The economy is not the only issue, and the Republicans are dead wrong on all the rest. It truly is the party of hatred.

Sorry, I just can't vote for someone who believes the world is only 4,000 years old, dinosaur fossils are something the jews buried in the 20's to fool everyone into believing evolution, want all gays to die, think blacks are less than human, and believe that a woman shouldn't have the right to have an abortion.

In short, we have a new Nazi party right here. If you don't want to believe me, just look up Leo Strauss, the father of neo-conservatism.

Decades of electing republicans who discriminate against gays,want to re-criminalize homosexuality and appoint judges with similar views was a better fit JP? I hope you don't shoot yourself in the foot the next time as you did in voting for this anti-gay rights team:





Sarah Palin supports federal gay marriage ban:

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jUUZ7NJlIM4Azi7MafXRythJutNgD93ULAF00

Excerpt:
NEW YORK (AP) — Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin says she supports a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage

 

[klaybourn]

yes on prop 8

 

[JP0724]

Good post. Funny how Repubs love to rail about personal responsibility, yet are the last ones in the world willing to accept responsibility for their own actions. Yeah, there are many issues one must consider when choosing a party.

I consider myself pretty economically conservative. I have an econ educational background, and love Hayek, von Mises, etc. But guess what?

1. Repubs are not conservatives obviously, they are socialists but instead of re-distributing wealth to the poor they do it to the rich. See the bailout package and the burden it will place on taxpayers for generations to come.

2. The economy is not the only issue, and the Republicans are dead wrong on all the rest. It truly is the party of hatred.

Sorry, I just can't vote for someone who believes the world is only 4,000 years old, dinosaur fossils are something the jews buried in the 20's to fool everyone into believing evolution, want all gays to die, think blacks are less than human, and believe that a woman shouldn't have the right to have an abortion.

In short, we have a new Nazi party right here. If you don't want to believe me, just look up Leo Strauss, the father of neo-conservatism.

We may not agree on politics but I know we can agree that you have one hot friggin' cock man.. very very nice.. Just sayin' ... I know it's off topic but couldn't resist

 

[javyn]

Thanks man! We probably agree more than you realize, especially on economic issues, but I am so disillusioned right now my political beliefs are a'changin'

 

[surferboy]

yes on prop 8

why?

 

[B_Monster]

The elections over numbnuts

yes on prop 8

 

[B_just8inches]

Gay people should have all the rights that any American citizen has
this is the fucking land of the free... the hypocrisy is ridiculous.. making laws taking the rights of gays away is basically like the government condoning intolerance... it is really fucked up



however, while I have no problem with them, dont u think these really big gay pride parades can in some way furtherly distance people from the cause? Imo it can reinstate certain stereo types.

 

[klaybourn]

no it aint, i cant have more than one wife. so hmfff. land of the free my ass

 

[surferboy]

no it aint, i cant have more than one wife. so hmfff. land of the free my ass

is this your rationalization on why you voted yes on prop 8 brah?

 

[musclemonkey5]

I am just curious if I am alone in this or if others feel the same way that I do.

I am sick and tired of being a nice gay who walks in peaceful marches, and carries signs, and goes through the court system. It all feels like the community is just saying to the opposition "we'd like to be equal if it's okay with you, I mean if it's no trouble.." I do not think that the gay community should be asking anyones permission for equality. We should be demanding equality, and demanding it now. The problem is motivating people. The gay community would much rather write a check (as statistically we make more than our str8 counterparts) than to get out and do something about it. Gay people want the rights but no one wants to fight for them. Do you think that Barrack Obama, the second coming to this country would be president right now if Black Americans had just written a check and peacefully asked for their rights? I don't think so. I think the Black community has the rights that they do because they stood up and demanded it. They rioted in the streets, they protested, and they got angry. They FOUGHT BACK!!!! instead of just taking it like a little bitch.

I think it's time for a new tone in the gay campaign for equality. If you agree then I'd love to hear from you. I will no longer tolerate churches using the bible to justify inequality. The Church used the bible to deny women the right to vote saying that the bible was against it, saying that women were not of the mental capacity to be equal to men. The Church used the bible to deny Blacks equality because the Bible told them that it was wrong, and that Black people were animals. I will not let the Bible dictate my rights. I will not go quietly into the night, and I will not be peaceful. I for one will fight for my rights, and I for one will not play by the tree hugging peace loving campaigns that are going on right now. Stand up and grow some balls people. I will not sit in the back of the bus of Marriage.

It's not different than when you were in school and bully would hit you. What did you do? Most pansy gays that are running the show right now, went and told the principle that it wasn't fair and got them into trouble, which is what they are doing now. They are going to the supreme court and whining that its not fair. What did I do when I got hit by a bully? I hit him back, and I kept hitting him until he knew to never touch me again, to never look at me again. We as a community need to hit back, and we need to keep hitting back until the American people understand that Gay Americans are no longer going to be pushed around.

Let me know if this is just me being angry over the whole situation or if you agree or disagree..

JP0724,
You talk about gay/straight equality, but I don't see any way in which gay's are less equal under the law. They have all the constitutional rights as straight men do.. If you are referring to marraige, well that is a Christian tradition, and is recognized as such in the law. I have no problem with gays getting hitched, but marraige is defined as 1 man and 1 woman under God as God says he intended it. Married people have children, gay couples do not. This is not unequal, it is just different.
If you are referring to gays rights to adopt children, that is a state issue. State issues are not guided just by what is right or wrong, but by the desires of the people who live in those states. If the communities decide they don't want gays adopting children, then you should move some where were people are more accepting of gays adopting children.
People get caught up in the legality of it all, but the truth is that society has a lot of say in these matters. And it is people's rights to have that say. If you don't like America's traditions then don't live in America, I wouldn't. Don't try to change it to fit just you.