Another Mass Shooting And No One Blinks

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  1. sargon20

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    The ignominious list:

    ·[FONT=&quot]Littleton[/FONT][FONT=&quot], Colorado, April 1999: Two teenage boys shoot and kill 12 students and a teacher at Columbine High School before killing themselves.
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    ·[FONT=&quot]Atlanta[/FONT][FONT=&quot], Georgia[/FONT][FONT=&quot], July 1999: A stock market day trader goes on a day-long shooting rampage, killing 12 people including his wife and two children before taking his own life.[/FONT]


    ·[FONT=&quot]Fort Worth[/FONT][FONT=&quot], Texas[/FONT][FONT=&quot], September 1999: A gunman opens fire at a prayer service, killing six people before committing suicide.[/FONT]


    ·[FONT=&quot]Washington[/FONT][FONT=&quot], October 2002: A series of sniper-style shootings, some carried out from the boot of a car, claims 10 lives, mostly in the Washington area. Many of the attacks were carried out with a semi-automatic assault rifle.[/FONT]


    ·[FONT=&quot]Chicago[/FONT][FONT=&quot], August 2003: A worker who was laid off shoots and kills six of his former co-workers with a semi-automatic pistol. The shooter had a lengthy arrest record, including for weapons offences.[/FONT]


    ·[FONT=&quot]Birchwood[/FONT][FONT=&quot], Wisconsin[/FONT][FONT=&quot], November 2004: A hunter opens fire with an SKS assault rifle, killing six other hunters and wounding two after an argument.[/FONT]


    ·[FONT=&quot]Brookfield[/FONT][FONT=&quot], Wisconsin[/FONT][FONT=&quot], March 2005: A man fires 22 rounds during a church service, killing seven people.[/FONT]


    ·[FONT=&quot]Nickel Mines, Pennsylvania, October 2006: A truck driver armed with two rifles, a semi-automatic handgun and 600 rounds of ammunition kills five schoolgirls execution-style in an Amish schoolhouse, and seriously wounds six others before shooting himself.[/FONT]


    ·[FONT=&quot]Blacksburg[/FONT][FONT=&quot], Virginia, April 2007: A student shoots 47 people at Virginia Tech, killing 32 before he commits suicide, in the deadliest mass shooting in the United States.[/FONT]


    ·[FONT=&quot]Omaha[/FONT][FONT=&quot], Nebraska[/FONT][FONT=&quot], December 2007: Nine people are killed and five others injured after a 20-year-old shooter armed with a military-style assault rifle attacks shoppers in a mall.[/FONT]


    ·[FONT=&quot]Carnation, Washington, December 2007: A woman and her boyfriend shoot dead six members of her family, including two children, ages three and six, on Christmas Eve, using large-caliber pistols.[/FONT]


    ·[FONT=&quot]Chicago[/FONT][FONT=&quot], February 2008: Six women are tied-up and shot at a suburban clothing store. Five of the women die. The gunman has not been found.[/FONT]


    ·[FONT=&quot]DeKalb[/FONT][FONT=&quot], Illinois, February 2008: A man opens fire in a lecture hall at Northern Illinois University, killing five students and wounding 16 before turning his weapon on himself.[/FONT]


    ·[FONT=&quot]Alger[/FONT][FONT=&quot], Washington[/FONT][FONT=&quot], September 2008: A mentally ill man who had been released from jail a month earlier shoots eight people, killing six.
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    ·[FONT=&quot]Covina[/FONT][FONT=&quot], California[/FONT][FONT=&quot], December 2008: A man dressed in a Santa Claus suit opens fire at a family Christmas party at his ex-wife's home and then sets fire to the house. Nine people are killed in the home. The gunman later kills himself.[/FONT]


    ·[FONT=&quot]Geneva[/FONT][FONT=&quot] County and Coffee County, Alabama, March 12 2009: In a shooting spree that tears through several towns, a 28-year-old out-of-work man kills 10 people, including his mother and a toddler.[/FONT]


    ·[FONT=&quot]North Carolina[/FONT][FONT=&quot], March 29, 2009: A heavily-armed gunman shoots dead eight people, many elderly and sick patients, in a North Carolina nursing home.[/FONT]


    ·[FONT=&quot]Santa Clara[/FONT][FONT=&quot], California, March 30, 2009: Six people are shot dead in an apparent murder-suicide at a home in an upscale Silicon Valley neighbourhood.[/FONT]


    ·[FONT=&quot]Binghamton[/FONT][FONT=&quot], New York, April 3, 2009: Up to 13 people are killed as a gunman goes on a rampage at a civic centre in the town of Binghamton.[/FONT]


    ·[FONT=&quot]Graham[/FONT][FONT=&quot], Washington[/FONT][FONT=&quot] State, April 5, 2009: James Harrison, 34, killed his five children (aged between seven and 16) inside his mobile home, then drove to a nearby casino and shot himself inside his car, police said.[/FONT]
     
  2. jason_els

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    And what do you propose we do besides shake our heads? We've known the military has had a poor track record with caring for combat vets and particularly so in psychiatry. If this guy is an example of the kind of psychiatrist the army has, it's no wonder they're not getting the help they need.
     
  3. SR_Blarney_Frank

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    While I agree in general that the availability of guns is out of hand... this particular incident was among military personnel on a military base. In short it was in a place which will probably always be - and should be - well armed. Whether a civilian should be able to go to a gun show parking lot and buy a suitcase full of 9mm pistols is another story. One which is pretty indefensible.
     
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    Who knows the answer? I know these mass shootings didn't happen when I was growing up. And now they happen all the time. Are we a more violent society now? What is the problem now that the answer is a killing spree? It doesn't happen in other countries even in countries where guns are readily available.
     
  5. SR_Blarney_Frank

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    It's a cross-section of social issues. Splintered families, substance abuse, mental illness, creepy fundamentalism and easy access to guns.
     
  6. finsuptx

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    As a veteran, I take exception at you blaming the military for this tragedy. No one is to blame for this but the gunman. He could have simply ended his own life if things were that bad, but he wanted to take as many people with him as he could, it seems.

    You have never served a day in uniform, I suspect, or you wouldn't so hap-handedly automatically decry the military. No one is more devastated by this massacre than those serving on bases all around the world. And just like any time before, the Army will take care of its own.

    Please don't besmirch the honorable men and women in our armed forces who stand up for your right to do so!
     
  7. Principessa

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    Instead of ranting about over a decade of violence in this country, it helps if you reference the current violence.

    12 Dead, 31 Wounded in Base Shootings


     
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    Oh get off the tired soapbox. We've heard it all before. As soon as someone criticizes the military it turns into a supposed condemnation of the entire system and a besmirchment of everyone serving.

    Before you continue to jump to conclusions please note I confined my criticism to the mental health care of those currently serving though I should also extend that to the VA. The fact is that care IS poor and it should be improved. That's the situation with physical and mental health care. If anything, I am critical of the DoD and the VA for not providing the level of care I believe that active and retired personnel deserve. The shooter had poor performance records and was still being sent to Iraq when he probably should have been let go or busted down in rank. One psychiatrist for every 750 personnel is not acceptable to me when we're continually demanding these people do tour after tour after tour. Some personnel are seeing fifth and sixth tours! They NEED counseling, they NEED to learn how to cope with returning to civilian life, they NEED proper health care while in the field and that includes mental health care. I do not want to see a generation of soldiers forgotten as they were after Vietnam. That was inexcusable:


    When we do not address mental health care, and this country is abysmal at it because we believe a pill and a pat on the back is all you need to feel good, shit like this happens.
     
  9. MercyfulFate

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    We should ban guns, murders would surely end then.

    Sarcasm to the 10th power
     
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    It's tragic, but there are around 45 murders a day in the united states, most of which we never hear about. I think that mass shootings are different significantly more for their novel and 'stimulative' nature than they are for their level of tragedy. This asshole killed 12 people, that's terrible. But we'll hear about it for weeks and in the meantime hundreds more americans will be murdered without the news ever reaching our ears. And if they do reach our ears, we won't think they're exciting enough to get worried about.

    Murders happen, mass killings make up a very small proportion of them. It isn't as big of a deal as the news media and politicians would like us to believe.

    Once again, not that mass killings aren't horrible. Obviously.
     
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    It's particularly disturbing / ironic that the shooter is a practicing psychiatrist.
     
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    12 people is about a quarter of the people we killed in Afghanistan when we bombed a wedding party. And those people were civilians. I barely saw anything about that in the media.
     
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    It happened on a military base and was perpetrated by a military officer. I didn't see that the poster blamed the military but you'd have to agree there's some degree of culpability in ensuring the safety of base personnel and the mental health of its soldiers.

    Read the comment again and you'll find that the post was advocating for better care of military vets. If you want to argue against your own best interests then feel free. But even the military acknowledges it is struggling to cope with the rising number of suicides and incidences of violence among returning war vets.

    PS - it is almost always disingenuous to shout someone down for a critique of the military by claiming that it's the military which defends your right to critique... the military...
     
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    Very good way to put it in perspective isn't it?
     
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    Va healthcare poor? and yet you want a government run heathcare sytem for everyone? what makes you think it will be different? if they shit on people that defened the country how will they tret the losers that just want to suck on the governments tit?
     
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    If you collect unemployment or use medicare, are you sucking on the governmental teat?
     
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    hardly. drugs are banned. are they gone? all you'll do is have government with weapons and criminals with weapons. the average law abiding citizen is then left helpless.
     
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    absolutely. i have too much pride to take handouts. I get a kick out of some people I've overheard. they can't find a job they like and say I might have to take a job I don't want to do do. priceless.
     
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    So...fuck it I can't even begin.

    I was joking.
     
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    Do you accept police work, roads, public schools, the fire department, and any number of other services the government provides that are paid for through your taxes?

    Medicare and welfare are no more handouts than anything else.
     
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