Another Mass Shooting And No One Blinks

[houtx48]

God forbid they take away anybodies right to bear arms but how often do you hear of this going on anyplace but the united states and west africa

 

[D_Sir Fitzwilly Wankheimer III]

Do you accept police work, roads, public schools, the fire department, and any number of other services the government provides that are paid for through your taxes?

Medicare and welfare are no more handouts than anything else.

the hell there not. you're not paying taxes if you are on welfare

 

[MercyfulFate]

the hell there not. you're not paying taxes if you are on welfare

If you go on unemployment, you have paid taxes by working.

 

[B_Nick8]

absolutely. i have too much pride to take handouts.

I look forward to seeing you return your Social Security checks* and refuse Medicare.

*Oh, yeah. You're 38. They'll still be there for you if you want them.

 

[D_O_Revoir]

Reminds me of Craig T. Nelson

 

[cock23]

I don't think this is a "normal" mass killing with a gun in the sense that it happened at a military base where there are always guns around and practically everyone there can access them, and there will be always guns at military bases, if there wern't that would defeat the point of them.
So it's not the same as some psychopath walking into a shop in broad daylight, buying a gun then going to a public place and randomly killing people, which raises totally different issues (i.e. about whether members of the public should be allowed to buy guns without anyone checking up on them).

 

[Ericsson1228d]

I look forward to seeing you return your Social Security checks* and refuse Medicare.

*Oh, yeah. You're 38. They'll still be there for you if you want them.

I sincerely hope you are joking, and not that you honestly believe social security will be around in another 25-30 years.

Actually, it probably will be, since we will all be paying about 60% income tax by then.

 

[Principessa]

Downtown Orlando shooting: 1 dead, 5 injured

The man suspected in a mass shooting at a downtown Orlando office building has been arrested on a first-degree murder count, police said this evening. One man is dead and five people are confirmed shot in the attack, which took place about 11:45 a.m. today in the Gateway Center, an office building near Interstate 4 and Ivanhoe Boulevard. The shooter used a handgun, police said.

Police took suspect Jason Rodriguez, 40, of Orlando, into custody more than two hours after the attack. He spent the next five hours at Orlando police headquarters. His cooperation was "limited," Lt. Luis Tanzi said at a 7:30 p.m. press conference. More charges may follow. Rodriguez is a former employee of Reynolds, Smith & Hill, a construction engineering firm with offices on the eighth floor of the building where the shooting took place. As he left police headquarters for Orange County Jail 7:30 p.m., Rodriguez said a single word: "Innocent."

 

[ital8]

God forbid they take away anybodies right to bear arms but how often do you hear of this going on anyplace but the united states and west africa

There have been other mass shootings besides the United States. Granted, maybe not as often, but they have happened elsewhere. I remember the shooting in Montreal, I believe in 1987, where several people were killed. Also, I believe a few years ago, there was another mass shooting in Montreal at a school. Germany had it's own Columbine several years ago, where I remember 18 people getting killed, and Finland had two school shootings. I don't have any sources to back me up, I'm just relying on my memory.

 

[Louberg83]

An investigation will soon show if Hasan's motives are strictly personal, ideological or a hybrid blend of motives. It's also important that the investigation into Hasan's motives be made available as quickly as possible to the public. According to retired Col. Terry Lee, who was interviewed by Fox News and who knew Major Malik Nadal Hasan, the suspect made several statements indicating his ideological beliefs such as: “The killing of the soldier in Arkansas and any attack against the U.S. military inside the homeland is legitimate because of American military involvement in the Middle East.” Terry detailed remarks made by the accused killer “against U.S. policy and in support of potential suicide attacks inside the country.” Of course, these statements and those reported by others need to be analyzed and verified.

I know this may not be as PC as some people want, but I haven't seen anything mentioned here yet about this being a possible terrorist attack. We don't know what his motives are yet, but the possibility is there. Thoughts?

 

[midlifebear]

Sargon: It might be the water. There was that mass shooting at a Luby's Cafeteria also in Killean, Texas back in 1991. The shooter first drove his Bubba-mobile through the building and then took out about 23 people.

And then there was Charles Whitman, famous UT Tower sniper who clipped the wings of many and also killed his share back, I believe, in 1963? They've kept the UT Bell Tower closed ever since.

I'm certain we're missing others, like the San Ysidro McDonalds massacre where some white guy shot all of the Mexican Americans as well as just some plain old-fashioned Mexicans because he'd "had enough of them!" according to some note he'd left. As I recall, once he'd slaughtered everyone in the McDonalds, he just waited and shot a slew of young kids as they ran in to buy milkshakes or those famous hot fruit turnovers.

It seems that mass murder is a long-standing USA custom. Sort of a tradition among our mentally ill.

 

[scotchirish]

midlife, are you aware that charles whitman had a brain tumor pressing against the aggression center of his brain? we know that in his case at least there was a plausible, uncontrollable cause to his shooting.

One ironic thing my mother mentioned, the Luby's indecent happened the day my sister was born, and yesterday was my birthday...

 

[JustAsking]

Va healthcare poor? and yet you want a government run heathcare sytem for everyone? what makes you think it will be different? if they shit on people that defened the country how will they tret the losers that just want to suck on the governments tit?

That is a straw man analogy. The VA healthcare system is completely run by the government. No one is advocating that for US citizens. If you want a better analogy, look to Medicare and Medicaid.

If you want a better analogy to the public option, look to the health insurance given to government employees.

 

[midlifebear]

midlife, are you aware that charles whitman had a brain tumor pressing against the aggression center of his brain? we know that in his case at least there was a plausible, uncontrollable cause to his shooting.

One ironic thing my mother mentioned, the Luby's indecent happened the day my sister was born, and yesterday was my birthday...

I did not know that. And I even are a graduate of UT. I do, however, remember the day Charles Whitman shot up the campus (and even killed a few as far away as Guadalupe Street) as if it happened yesterday. As for the McDonalds massacre in San Ysidro, witnesses claim the gunman simply leaned against the counter and waited for the next kid to run into the building and the blast them before any of them noticed anything was wrong. I think it too a couple of SWATs to take him out. Not pretty.

 

[Guy-jin]

A lot of things seem like they are exceptional when you are talking about something that is exceptional in the first place.

There is only one country like the United States, and the number of factors that make it unique are too numerous to count. Some point toward Europe as a whole as some kind of valid comparison, but the cultural differences are immense. Others might compare us with Canada before being reminded that we have individual states with populations exceeding that country while being on significantly less land.

This is why I believe there has yet to be a comprehensive and convincing argument made regarding mass shootings or gun violence in the United States generally.

I think of "Bowling for Columbine"'s attempts to explain the issue. While I thought the documentary was generally excellent, it answered few fundamental questions. It compared gun violence in Japan to gun violence in the United States. But it didn't compare sword violence, which is naturally much higher in Japan. It didn't address the factor of availability of weaponry in general increasing violent activity, a well-known fact.

And as to this man being Muslim, or being a veteran--how much of an effect does that have? It seems like a lot, but is it? If you gave every recent veteran in England the access American veterans have to firearms, would there be a similar trend there? Who knows?

All but the most well-researched of resources address these issues to even a modicum of accuracy.

 

[thirdlegmeat]

12 people is about a quarter of the people we killed in Afghanistan when we bombed a wedding party. And those people were civilians. I barely saw anything about that in the media.

You're a God-damn idiot. Anyone who cannot separate collateral damage with intentional massacre is hardly worth the oxygen he breaths (or doesn't).

Oh... and why hasn't anyone mentioned the guy's true motive. "Allah Akbar!"

[Ignoring the Muslim elephant in the room]

 

[jason_els]

You're a God-damn idiot. Anyone who cannot separate collateral damage with intentional massacre is hardly worth the oxygen he breaths (or doesn't).

Oh... and why hasn't anyone mentioned the guy's true motive. "Allah Akbar!"

[Ignoring the Muslim elephant in the room]

I did though I'm not yet convinced it was the true motive, as you say.

Call it collateral damage or intentional homicide, either way, people are dead. I don't think they care one way or the other how they were labeled. Both are tragedies which I hope we can avoid in the future.

 

[thirdlegmeat]

And... for the life of me, I cannot fathom why anyone in the gay community would ever defend Muslim extremism. Some people throw stones, and Muslims throw stones at homosexuals... literally. Choose your friends wisely.

 

[jason_els]

And... for the life of me, I cannot fathom why anyone in the gay community would ever defend Muslim extremism. Some people throw stones, and Muslims throw stones at homosexuals... literally. Choose your friends wisely.

Nobody is defending Muslim extremism. Not all Muslims are extreme and not every act of violence committed by a Muslim is instigated by religion. Not all Muslims throw stones at homosexuals either. Islam is as broad a religion as Christianity with sects ranging from the very liberal to the extremely conservative.

Perhaps after spending centuries being called perverts, pedophiles, mentally ill, and wannabe women, homosexuals are more careful before assigning blame without evidence of cause.

 

[PurpleThrillHammer]

People kill People, thats just what we do:frown1:

SO STOP IT:twak: