another study about cut/uncut

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  1. tiahuaca

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    This is one of scientific study about cut and uncut cocks :
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    Department of Psychiatry and Neurosexology, Leyenburg HagaHospital, The Hague, and Department of Psychopharmacology, Utrecht Institute for Pharmaceutical Sciences, Utrecht University, the Netherlands. md@waldinger.demon.nl

    INTRODUCTION: Intravaginal ejaculation latency time (IELT), defined as the time between the start of vaginal intromission and the start of intravaginal ejaculation, is increasingly used in clinical trials to assess the amount of selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor-induced ejaculation delay in men with premature ejaculation.
    Prospectively, stopwatch assessment of IELTs has superior accuracy compared with retrospective questionnaire and spontaneous reported latency.
    However, the IELT distribution in the general male population has not been previously assessed. AIM: To determine the stopwatch assessed-IELT distribution in large random male cohorts of different countries.

    METHODS: A total of 500 couples were recruited from five countries: the Netherlands, United Kingdom, Spain, Turkey, and the United States. Enrolled men were aged 18 years or older, had a stable heterosexual relationship for at least 6 months, with regular sexual intercourse.
    The surveyed population were not included or excluded by their ejaculatory status and comorbidities. This survey was performed on a "normal" general population. Sexual events and stopwatch-timed IELTs during a 4-week period were recorded, as well as circumcision status and condom use.

    MAIN OUTCOME MEASURES: The IELT, circumcision status, and condom use.
    RESULTS: The distribution of the IELT in all the five countries was positively skewed, with a median IELT of 5.4 minutes (range, 0.55-44.1 minutes).
    The median IELT decreased significantly with age, from 6.5 minutes in the 18-30 years group, to 4.3 minutes in the group older than 51 years (P<0.0001).
    The median IELT varied between countries, with the median value for Turkey being the lowest, i.e., 3.7 minutes (0.9-30.4 minutes), which was significantly different from each of the other countries.
    Comparison of circumcised (N=98) and not-circumcised (N=261) men in countries excluding Turkey resulted in median IELT values of 6.7 minutes (0.7-44.1 minutes) in circumcised compared with 6.0 minutes (0.5-37.4 minutes) in not-circumcised men (not significant).
    The median IELT value was not affected by condom use.

    CONCLUSION: The IELT distribution is positively skewed.
    The overall median value was 5.4 minutes but with differences between countries. For all five countries, median IELT values were independent of condom usage. In countries excluding Turkey, the median IELT values were independent of circumcision status.
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    My Explaination : :
    • Compare to circumcised and uncircumcised westerners,Turkish men reach orgasm faster. (median value is 3.7 minutes) Why ? I have seen hundreds of Turkish cock’s pics, and I found that almost all Turkish men have tight circumcision and high to moderate style. It is rare for Turkish men have a low-circumcision style. As I always say, high/moderate with tight circumcision cocks are the most pleasurable penis. With their circumcision characteristic,Turkish men feel a very great intense pleasure, that (even we have known, cut cocks are more friction and ticklish resistant than uncuts) make them reach orgasm quickly. Faster than uncut European, faster than circumcised westerners. The keyword is : their circumcision styles make Turkish men feel so much pleasure that make them cum quickly.
    • Circumcised westerners ( most of them are American, and some are British) have more vary circumcision styles than Turkish. Some of them are high-tight cuts , the other are low-tight, etc.The fastest non-Turkish ( reach orgasm in 0.7 minute) maybe have a high-tight circumcision. Getting so much pleasure make that circumcised guy cum quickly too. While the last longest of all (44.1 minutes) maybe have a low tight circumcision style. As I always say, this circumcision style help guys to be last longer. Look, the last longest of all are circumcised. It support the theory that some circumcision style are last longer than uncuts.
    • Uncuts (almost all are European, and maybe some American), have the fastest one of all (reach orgasm in a ‘chicken record’ : 0.5 minute). It is clear that concerning ejaculation, uncuts are ‘vurnerable’ or ‘fragile’. I don’t think he feel so much pleasure, because the sensitive foreskin make him reach orgasm before he can feel so much pleasure.There is an uncut guy reach his ejaculation after 37.4 minutes. Can you imagine how less pleasure that he get ? There is only one reason can make a sensitive intact nerves penis need 37.4 minutes for reaching orgasm …loose skin of uncut cock make every nerve has low stimulation capabilities…. very low pleasurability.
    • Over-all for non-Turkish, circumcised are last longer than uncut (median value 6.7 minutes, compare to 6 minutes for uncuts) The fastest circumcised guy is last longer than the fastest uncut (0.7 to 0.5 minute) And the circumcised champion is last longer than uncut champion (44.1 to 37.4 minutes). It is clear that some circumcised styles make circumcised cocks last longer than uncuts. But for Turkish, a heavenly pleasure produced by their circumcision style make Turkish champion only can hold his ejaculation for 30.4 minutes, faster than even uncut champion. Also, the Turkish median 3.7 minutes are faster than uncut westerner’s median 6.0 minutes. Yes, there is only one reason can make a less nerves cut cock reach orgasm faster … stretch skin of tight cut cock make every nerve has more greater stimulation capabilities ….a greater pleasurability.
    • The last conclusion is circumcision styles of Turkish men make a significantly different between cut and uncut sexual pleasure.And circumcision styles have a wider spread of differences of pleasurability and sex endurance than uncut.
     
  2. crossy

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    That report is enough to make one grow a foreskin. I will resist the temptation.
    This report is skewed to the Ottoman Turks.
     
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    The median IELT of 5.4 minutes aligns with a couple of other studies I have seen, all of which had averages in the 5 to 6 minute band. Those men who want to or claim to last 30 minutes or more, take note. According to two other studes, the majority of women don't want intercourse to last much longer than 7 to 10 minutes, although the two time-frames don't line up (5.4 median actual, while around 7 is the median ideal for women).

    As far as Turkey goes, perhaps the men there aren't as interested in satisfying their partners?

    This surprised me on two counts. One is that circumcision status didn't affect timing, nor did condom use. I think we get used to what we feel, and learn to compensate. So while natural sex feels much more intense, we adapt to it and last as long as men who wear latex. Ditto circumcision, and we adapt to how it feels to us, regardless of whether we are circumcised or not. I suspect a man who normally has natural sex would take a lot longer to come if he wore a condom as a once-off.

    Probably the emotional element of sex has a part to play in how long we last, regardless of circumcision or condoms. Sex is between two people, and the beauty and intensity of sex is the intimate connection with your partner, and the way that intimate connection arouses you beyond mere penis-vagina friction.
     
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    http://www.nocirc.org/touch-test/bju_6685.pdf

    I think I'll take the penis with 4 times as many nerve endings and the longer time to achieve ejaculation with more satisfying sex, thank you.

    Amount of time required to ejaculate has little to nothind to do with the pleasure of the act. Keep in mind this study was researching factors which would lead to premature ejaculation, amoung other things.

    Also, I've taken enough statistics to know how much extreme values can skew a stat spread in either direction. The numbers for this study really need to be made available in order to draw a definite conclusion about anything. Could you post a link?
     
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    Yes, the ability to ejaculate and the ability to perceive sexual pleasure are not one and the same.
     
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    OP: 500 couples over a 4-week period. I would be guessing between 1,000 and 2,000 sexual episodes.
     
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    I conclude that making a conclusion such as the OP makes on this specific test (which emphasis is firstly on premature ejaculation and not on "which penis receives more pleasure?" and secondly, has skewed results with no real significant outcome), is idiotic... Not to mention that the OP seems to contradict himself constantly ...or maybe I'm too stupid (because of my foreskin) to understand all his ramblings with his Nobel Prize winning grammar.

    I honestly cannot see how a circumcised penis can experience more pleasure than an uncircumcised one that has no scar tissue and nerve damage...
     
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    Well, talk to all the men who have been circumcised as adults. Some do say this. Sex is better.

    Again, there is no scientific evidence to prove that a circumcised penis is less sensitive than a uncircumcised one, despite all the zillions and zillions and zillions of nervers that are destroyed in the process. The proof just isn't there.
     
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    Maybe... but chances are that it would be more the case than the other way around as the OP is suggesting...
     
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    Wow 3.7 minutes of intercourse til orgasm. I'm sure that works for some people... Others would call that premature ejaculation. I wonder if the women actually got any pleasure out of intercourse. :rolleyes:
     
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    http://www.nocirc.org/touch-test/bju_6685.pdf The test was a pressure test to determine how much pressure was necessary to be detectable as touch on various structures of the penis, comparing circumcised to intact. In other words, a test to find out how sensitive every structure was. The test was overwhelmingly in favor of the intact male. The most sensitive part of the circumcised penis was the circumcision scar, and the uncut men had five structures which were more sensitive than that. The uncut penis had 8 structures which weren't even present in the circumcised penis.

    Additionally, statistics show that circumcised men who seek medical help for sexual difficulties (viagra, et al) are on average about 7 years younger than uncut men seeking the same treatment. This would seem to indicate that everyone's body deteriorates, but circumcision cause them to reach the stage where they need help sooner.
     
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    Two recent studies about women and sex, on American and one Australilan, with both studies giving nearly identical results. The ideal intercourse time for women studied was 7 to 10 minutes, with 3 to 7 minutes classified as satisfactory. In both studies, 3 minutes was preferable to more than 12 minutes (one standard deviation).

    This is, of course, the majority of women studied, which added up to more than 500. So it isn't each and every woman in the world, or each and every woman you've had sex with. But the women I've known, and the majority of women in the two surveys I read, don't like intercourse to last longer than several minutes.
     
  13. JTalbain

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    Yeah, many women may like lots of foreplay, and think of all the foreplay plus penetration time (IELT) as sex. Some even include post-coital cuddling. However, all the study was examining was IELT.
     
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    Which is why the studies I referred to limited themselves to ideal intercourse time, or duration to be precise. I personally think of everything as sex, from first move until we finish cuddling, and intercourse is only one small part of a total. The concept of 'foreplay' is a Christian thing, which harkens back to sex being a dirty thing for procreation, but if we must have sex then foreplay makes it less painful for the female partner.

    Non-Christian cultures typically don't have a concept of foreplay, and it's all sex to them as well.
     
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    Tell me about the jewish and islamic cultures and sex, please.
     
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    Did you know that %99 of the muslims do the circumcision before the age of 7.
    I did so late, I was 7 and remember,
    But 90 percent of this %99 is done even bellow the age of 1 year old, so they won't even remember their dick uncut....
     
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    BTW, you can't find an uncut dick here, no matter how hard you try.... one of the rules in muslim society is that you should get circumcised at very early ages of life
     
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    Very nice tool btw.
     
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    Lonesome boy. I don't fully understand your post. Are you telling us about the circ rate in Muslim countries or is there something relevant to the other posts about sex and being cut vs intact?
     
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    Did a 5th grader make up this study? This is obviously not a reputable study by any means, so many flaws it just seems so unprofessional too. I wouldn't be surprised if all the data was made up.
     
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