Anti-semitism - explain this to me!

[malakos]

The relationship is established via the pattern YOU'VE established ... by what you rise up to defend... and by what you seem to ignore.

What am I defending? What am I ignoring? As far as I can tell I am doing neither in this case.

 

[malakos]

The obsession with character assassination on this forum is useless and an abuse of its function, so I'll likely not entertain it much longer. If anyone wants to discuss the formation of modern Anti-Judaism, that I would be more than willing to get into further.

 

[b.c.]

The obsession with character assassination on this forum is useless and an abuse of its function, so I'll likely not entertain it much longer. If anyone wants to discuss the formation of modern Anti-Judaism, that I would be more than willing to get into further.

What am I defending? What am I ignoring? As far as I can tell I am doing neither in this case.

In THIS case PERHAPS a smidgen more below the radar than usual.

But certainly you must acknowledge your past positions serve as VALID references for what you presently write. And you did predicate your historical references by deriding the op's "virtue" as if his query re. anti-semitism were something disingenuous or something to be ridiculed.

So if your objection is to what you call "character assassination," then perhaps YOU should look in the mirror.

 

[malakos]

In THIS case PERHAPS a smidgen more below the radar than usual.

Have you ever been evaluated for paranoid delusions? I try to avoid discussions of personal issues, but in your case I find it genuinely concerning how committed you are to not taking me at my word and how you contrive associations in my remarks that cannot be rationally associated.

But certainly you must acknowledge your past positions serve as VALID references for what you presently write.

I didn't particularly write anything, at least not in an opinionated sense. I didn't say "The Protocols provide an accurate explanation of the global Jewish conspiracy" or anything at all like that. I merely mentioned a couple of topics worth researching for providing background information on the thought formation in the culture.

If you cared to actually try to understand my views, with some openness to the possibility of my sincerity, on any of the matters where you find me suspicious, you would find that the reason the intentions you assume are so often "below the radar", is because I don't actually hold the views that you expect. And that is certainly so in this case. I am no devotee of The Protocols, and I grant no credibility to the blood libel. Nor do I think holding the Jews morally liable for the murder of Christ is a rationally coherent position.

And you did predicate your historical references by deriding the op's "virtue" as if his query re. anti-semitism were something disingenuous or something to be ridiculed.

I did not target his holistic virtue so much as his pretense to be clean of any semblance of the prejudices he mentioned at the beginning of the post. Whether or not he actually is (which I would say is fairly doubtful), the integrity of the gesture I find questionable. If one wants to ask a question about Anti-Judaism, just ask it! No preemptive defense should be necessary. My snarky remark had nothing to do with the core topic, actually.

 

[englad]

In THIS case PERHAPS a smidgen more below the radar than usual.

But certainly you must acknowledge your past positions serve as VALID references for what you presently write. And you did predicate your historical references by deriding the op's "virtue" as if his query re. anti-semitism were something disingenuous or something to be ridiculed.

So if your objection is to what you call "character assassination," then perhaps YOU should look in the mirror.

It is possible that the OP's query was coming from either a naive or disingenous place, but definitely not in the way that malakos was suggesting (Malakos doesn't care about bigotry in the slightest). The OP is British, this was specific to the UK's political context, though the question itself is obviously broader. I've explained the UK's current political context and that the right wing in the UK do disingenously bring up purported anti-semitism in the labour party, either as a route to bash Jeremy Corbyn, or sometimes to bash the British muslim community (they often bring up LGBT rights and sometimes women's rights with this goal in mind too). The thing is the right wing in the UK do not bring up anti-semitism because they care about victims of actual anti-semitism, they're doing it for self-serving political motivations (which is definitely disingenuous on the victims of anti-semitism, because it's using them as a cheap political football).

If he's being naive, he's been paying too much attention to the right wing gutter press in the UK (this is the likeliest one of the two), if he's in the disingenuous camp, he's a conservative using this form of bigotry for selfish political motivations (I've seen them do this several times on this forum, just in the insanely long European centred threads).

 

[b.c.]

Have you ever been evaluated for paranoid delusions? I try to avoid discussions of personal issues, but in your case I find it genuinely concerning how committed you are to not taking me at my word and how you contrive associations in my remarks that cannot be rationally associated.

My commentary is not so much a discussion on a personal level nor "paranoid delusion" as it is a conclusion based upon what you say and have said, the associations, imo, quite rational.

I didn't particularly write anything, at least not in an opinionated sense. I didn't say "The Protocols provide an accurate explanation of the global Jewish conspiracy" or anything at all like that. I merely mentioned a couple of topics worth researching for providing background information on the thought formation in the culture.

Yes you did mention a couple of topics ... combined with ridicule of the sincerity of his query.

If you cared to actually try to understand my views, with some openness to the possibility of my sincerity, on any of the matters where you find me suspicious, you would find that the reason the intentions you assume are so often "below the radar", is because I don't actually hold the views that you expect.

Not so. I understand your views all too well, I think, and for that reason, they come off as "below the radar" because you seem to hold the views I suspect. Example, your "admiration" (in part at least) of Richard Spencer. I suspect this is true. As a confirmation of what I've concluded from such, I've learned not to EXPECT otherwise.

And that is certainly so in this case. I am no devotee of The Protocols, and I grant no credibility to the blood libel. Nor do I think holding the Jews morally liable for the murder of Christ is a rationally coherent position.

Never said you were. I said that's how it read in the context of your whole response.

I did not target his holistic virtue so much as his pretense to be clean of any semblance of the prejudices he mentioned at the beginning of the post. Whether or not he actually is (which I would say is fairly doubtful), the integrity of the gesture I find questionable. If one wants to ask a question about Anti-Judaism, just ask it! No preemptive defense should be necessary. My snarky remark had nothing to do with the core topic, actually.

You called it "virtue signalling," a term synonymous with other right winged terminology ("politically correct" "social justice warriors" etc.) USUALLY intended to be dismissive of those expressing concerns about discrimination, social injustices, disparity, bigotry, and the like. and as such it was hardly as innocuous as you would have us believe.

Besides which, what is wrong with the op's having framed his question in the context of not understanding why? Again, for a person who claims to object so much to being judged you've clearly judged HIM, haven't you?

 

[malakos]

It is possible that the OP's query was coming from either a naive or disingenous place, but definitely not in the way that malakos was suggesting...

Try again.

I did not target his holistic virtue so much as his pretense to be clean of any semblance of the prejudices he mentioned at the beginning of the post. Whether or not he actually is (which I would say is fairly doubtful), the integrity of the gesture I find questionable. If one wants to ask a question about Anti-Judaism, just ask it! No preemptive defense should be necessary. My snarky remark had nothing to do with the core topic, actually.

There is a reason I singled out the initial remark about "not getting" racism or homophobia for my snark instead of including the inquiry about Anti-Judaism. That formatting is there for all to see. I cannot edit it to make it so.

 

[englad]

No, but I get along with most Trads pretty well; I respect their deep and unwavering commitments to their tradition.



I'll leave the confirmation of that suspicion for those who deserve to know.

Why would you think my post indicates any sort of guilt? All I did was mention a couple of concepts that are at the roots of European Anti-Judaism as it had formed by the 19th century.

You're using the term Anti- Judaism as a way of cheapening anti-semitism to suggest it is entirely wound up with the religion.

Oh it certainly wasn't related to your post.............

I'm surprised that flew over your head.

The obsession with character assassination on this forum is useless and an abuse of its function, so I'll likely not entertain it much longer. If anyone wants to discuss the formation of modern Anti-Judaism, that I would be more than willing to get into further.

Man, you started that when you snapped at someone for showing basic empathy.

 

[malakos]

Yes you did mention a couple of topics ... combined with ridicule of the sincerity of his query.

Oh, so now you're just going to outright lie?

Example, your "admiration" (in part at least) of Richard Spencer. I suspect this is true.

You suspect what? It doesn't make sense for it to be referring to the sentence that preceded it, because that is referencing something I actually conceded. And what really is the consequence of this concession? There are all sorts of characters I could say I admire in part, but with whom there is severe departure in ideology. I admire the power of the mind of Karl Marx, for example, though I find more disagreement with him than agreement.

Never said you were. I said that's how it read in the context of your whole response.

Perhaps to someone with paranoid tendencies regarding those who lean to the Right politically. However, there is no rational association between my deriding someone speaking of "not getting" racism and homophobia and interpreting my research suggestions (that are of objective, non-partisan consequence) as suggestive of Anti-Judaic ideology. If you're so sure there is one, I'd like to see you demonstrate it.

You called it "virtue signalling," a term synonymous with other right winged terminology ("politically correct" "social justice warriors" etc.) USUALLY intended to be dismissive of those expressing concerns about discrimination, social injustices, disparity, bigotry, and the like. and as such it was hardly as innocuous as you would have us believe.

You really need to brush up on your terminology. "Virtue signaling" is not in the same category. It is not aimed at dismissing those of sincere conscience. The whole point of the term is to criticize those who are making a show of how much they care about (perceived) virtuous causes, but they're really doing it to boost their social cred. The reality of this phenomenon isn't a Right-wing conspiracy; as far as I've seen, living on the Left Coast, it's actually commonly acknowledged.

Besides which, what is wrong with the op's having framed his question in the context of not understanding why? Again, for a person who claims to object so much to being judged you've clearly judged HIM, haven't you?

No, I have not judged him to anywhere near the broad and deep extent that you have with me. It's just a suspicion about one remark. And it doesn't color my view of him beyond considering the possibility that he may be insecure and overly concerned with being treated as morally acceptable.

What was wrong with it? Like I said, there's nothing wrong with asking how the massive phenomenon of modern Anti-Judaism came to be. Actually I could understand not being at all aware of how it came about at this point, because basically all we are taught in our public schools now is that the Holocaust happened and it was the worst event in history and that we should now try to be nice to Jews and treat them with the same dignity as anyone else. That of course doesn't tell one anything about how this lingering ideology came about in the first place. Rather, it was the suggestion of "not getting" racism and homophobia. These general tendencies are far more related simply to the human instinct to fear what is different, so saying one doesn't get it I find incredible. And this is the sort of conversation where people often start off with qualifiers to make sure that their query will be received as morally acceptable.

 

[malakos]

Man, you started that when you snapped at someone for showing basic empathy.

You seem too intelligent to not know what empathy means, so I'm baffled by your suggestion that "not getting" racism and homophobia is a matter of empathy. It's actually the opposite if anything. Empathy is the ability to intuit and imagine what someone else is feeling or thinking to the extent that you can experience those thoughts and feelings to some extent. Not being able to "get" racism and homophobia is merely a matter of lack of awareness, and suggests an inability to empathize with racists and homophobes.

 

[malakos]

You're using the term Anti- Judaism as a way of cheapening anti-semitism to suggest it is entirely wound up with the religion.

No, I am not. I am using it to disassociate the issue from the other Semitic peoples, who, generally speaking, are not the target of "antisemitism". It is the Jews specifically who are.

I'm surprised that flew over your head.

Did it? I just assumed the TradCat (you were referencing "Catholic guilt", no?) question must have somehow been related to the thread. Otherwise I'm left wondering where you got the idea that I'm a TradCat stricken with Catholic guilt.

 

[englad]

You seem too intelligent to not know what empathy means, so I'm baffled by your suggestion that "not getting" racism and homophobia is a matter of empathy. It's actually the opposite if anything. Empathy is the ability to intuit and imagine what someone else is feeling or thinking to the extent that you can experience those thoughts and feelings to some extent. Not being able to "get" racism and homophobia is merely a matter of lack of awareness, and suggests an inability to empathize with racists and homophobes.

Man, I speak 6 languages to a conversational level, that means I can pick up linguistic cues very easily. "Get" has a number of connotations to it. What I inferred from that post, is that the OP doesn't understand why other people do not empathise on the same level that he does. I do not think that shows a lack of empathy. A lack of awareness is another kettle of fish, I don't attack people for being unaware of an issue, if they're trying to understand it better.

No, I am not. I am using it to disassociate the issue from the other Semitic peoples, who, generally speaking, are not the target of "antisemitism". It is the Jews specifically who are.

No, but we have a variety of other terms for those bigotries, depending on the exact flavour. Anti-semitism is not uniquely bound up with the religion. It originates in the charge of deicide and later on got wound up with scientific racism in the 19th century. And the term "semite" comes from the heyday of scientific racism, which is why it doesn't get used in a broader context any more.

Did it? I just assumed the TradCat (you were referencing "Catholic guilt", no?) question must have somehow been related to the thread. Otherwise I'm left wondering where you got the idea that I'm a TradCat stricken with Catholic guilt.

It doesn't have to be related to the thread. It was in the vein of what is good for the goose is good for the gander.

The idea of attacking someone for caring about other people seems bizarre, we need more of that in the world, not less. Why are you bandying about terms like "virtue signalling" as if that's an insult? Are you trying to suggest that we shouldn't talk about these problems? That was a clear form of character assassination on your part.

 

[b.c.]

Oh, so now you're just going to outright lie?

You suspect what? It doesn't make sense for it to be referring to the sentence that preceded it, because that is referencing something I actually conceded. And what really is the consequence of this concession? There are all sorts of characters I could say I admire in part, but with whom there is severe departure in ideology. I admire the power of the mind of Karl Marx, for example, though I find more disagreement with him than agreement.

Perhaps to someone with paranoid tendencies regarding those who lean to the Right politically. However, there is no rational association between my deriding someone speaking of "not getting" racism and homophobia and interpreting my research suggestions (that are of objective, non-partisan consequence) as suggestive of Anti-Judaic ideology. If you're so sure there is one, I'd like to see you demonstrate it.

You really need to brush up on your terminology. "Virtue signaling" is not in the same category. It is not aimed at dismissing those of sincere conscience. The whole point of the term is to criticize those who are making a show of how much they care about (perceived) virtuous causes, but they're really doing it to boost their social cred. The reality of this phenomenon isn't a Right-wing conspiracy; as far as I've seen, living on the Left Coast, it's actually commonly acknowledged.

No, I have not judged him to anywhere near the broad and deep extent that you have with me. It's just a suspicion about one remark. And it doesn't color my view of him beyond considering the possibility that he may be insecure and overly concerned with being treated as morally acceptable.

What was wrong with it? Like I said, there's nothing wrong with asking how the massive phenomenon of modern Anti-Judaism came to be. Actually I could understand not being at all aware of how it came about at this point, because basically all we are taught in our public schools now is that the Holocaust happened and it was the worst event in history and that we should now try to be nice to Jews and treat them with the same dignity as anyone else. That of course doesn't tell one anything about how this lingering ideology came about in the first place. Rather, it was the suggestion of "not getting" racism and homophobia. These general tendencies are far more related simply to the human instinct to fear what is different, so saying one doesn't get it I find incredible. And this is the sort of conversation where people often start off with qualifiers to make sure that their query will be received as morally acceptable.

 

[b.c.]

[Hemm... somehow my original response to the above got lost... so I'll do my best to reconstruct it, though some of its previous "punch" may be lost.]

Look bud, you can dance around this all you’d like, but if you go back a couple of thousand posts or so, you’ll find where I once wrote (somewhere therein) that I don’t DANCE.

The bottom line is that you disparaged the op and the intent, I think, was obvious to most. Spare us if your will, your nitpicking of the terminology of “virtue signaling” and its social origins. I am well aware of the sentiment from whence it came.

It came from the same person who once wrote of the so-called “conspiracy” to decimate the Euro-centric race.

It came from the same person who once suggested that black people have a propensity for violence based upon our disproportionate representation in crime statistics (as cited by you) without your so much as acknowledging the socio-economic factors that contribute to such, of which I provided ample documentation in a reply, yet received not ZILCH from YOU by way of RECOGNITION.

And my “suspicion” is based upon your posting history in this forum... all the times you liked or seconded some kind of narrow-minded dismissal of VARIOUS concerns relating to social injustices, discrimination, disparities and the like introduced herein, COMBINED with your failure to acknowledge the VALIDITY of those concern.

Or, As I said, based upon what you've defended and what you've IGNORED.

So let’s not play games here.

Btw, here’s a newsflash for you. I don’t “get” racism and homophobia either. Stating so should not subject one to derision because it hasn't a FKNG thing to do with not knowing of its existence, or not being aware of the kind of sick-fuck mentality behind MUCH of it.

My stating that simple means that I find it to be a conniving, backbiting, low brow, scurrilous, picayunish-assed contemptible mindset, based upon fear, misunderstanding, misinformation, and NO doubt a certain degree of SELF loathing, the whole of which compels those so AFFLICTED to subscribe to hate-based, racist ideology, and to demean and disparage those they consider as something "other."

Though I SUSPECT you’d be able to provide a rational explanation as justification for that kind of shit. What was it again? Fear of something different and preservation of the race?

 

[englad]

The bottom line is that you disparaged the op and the intent, I think, was obvious to most.

"Jeremy Corbyn's UK Labour Party have come unstuck with the (alleged) anti-Semitic rhetoric within the party. He has long dismissed anti-Semitic behaviour as a 'small number' of people who are deeply unpleasant and has been lacklustre in condemning it."

This was also part of the post, whilst I agree with you wholeheartedly on why you're arguing with him (that's why I'm only quoting you on this sentence). I am still getting the vibe that you are ignoring the full context of the OP's original post, i.e. the country the OP comes from, and especially the political context in the UK. I come from the UK as well, I have repeated a few times that the OP's intent may very well not be as genuine and heartfelt as the way you're inferring.

This could very easily be a British conservative disingenuously using purported anti-semitism within some sections of the British labour party as a method to either bash that party for political motivations, or to indirectly bash the British muslim community. The reason why I'm reiterating this and providing further context to the situation in the UK, is because there is a reasonable chance that this was the intent of the post. I have seen this happen on numerous occasions, and it consistently comes from the right wing gutter press in the UK and many right wingers in the UK (including some on this site). This suspicion is also strengthened by the wording of the section that I've quoted for you at the top of this post, as a Brit, that wording does give off a strong conservative voter vibe.

 

[Jason]

I don't 'get' it at all. Much like I don't 'get' racism or homophobia my mind doesn't go there. I just don't see what the issue is with a person's colour or sexuality. Why have a problem with Jewish people?

Jeremy Corbyn's UK Labour Party have come unstuck with the (alleged) anti-Semitic rhetoric within the party. He has long dismissed anti-Semitic behaviour as a 'small number' of people who are deeply unpleasant and has been lacklustre in condemning it.

So tell me.. why are people so anti-Jewish? What drives people to dislike this group of people?

I don't want this to become a Jew-bashing thread so if you have that type of attitude please do one...

This issue is beyond awful. My Jewish neighbours are talking (again) about emigrating. The are old and they don't want to leave. The synagogue closest to me is guarded when it is open by a couple of police men in stab-proof vests. There have been a lot of low-scale incidents: name calling, graffiti, an elderly Jewsih man (80) pulled from his car and roughed up. This is England.

The far left make the link between Jews and capitalists. The key word for them is Rothschild. The far left has bought into the conspiracy theory that Jews are bankers and run the world. The revolution will require the destruction of capitalists and therefore of the Jews. In England there are far left groups that are "joking" about where the concentration camp will be. The idea is that all property is theft, and the bankers/capitalists/Jews will be the first to have their property seized and will have to be accommodated somewhere.

Last night Corbyn attended a Jewdas meeting. He has caused outrage in the Jewish community. However his followers love it. While Labour has lost members in the last week there are over 1,000 new ones, inspired by the hatred shown by Labour. Jews in the UK are terrified. Everyone in the UK and indeed in the world should be terrified. Anti-Semitism is being used as a recruitment device for the shock troops of Momentum

 

[TexanStar]

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[Hemm... somehow my original response to the above got lost... so I'll do my best to reconstruct it, though some of its previous "punch" may be lost.]

Look bud, you can dance around this all you’d like, but if you go back a couple of thousand posts or so, you’ll find where I once wrote (somewhere therein) that I don’t DANCE.

The bottom line is that you disparaged the op and the intent, I think, was obvious to most. Spare us if your will, your nitpicking of the terminology of “virtue signaling” and its social origins. I am well aware of the sentiment from whence it came.

It came from the same person who once wrote of the so-called “conspiracy” to decimate the Euro-centric race.

It came from the same person who once suggested that black people have a propensity for violence based upon our disproportionate representation in crime statistics (as cited by you) without your so much as acknowledging the socio-economic factors that contribute to such, of which I provided ample documentation in a reply, yet received not ZILCH from YOU by way of RECOGNITION.

And my “suspicion” is based upon your posting history in this forum... all the times you liked or seconded some kind of narrow-minded dismissal of VARIOUS concerns relating to social injustices, discrimination, disparities and the like introduced herein, COMBINED with your failure to acknowledge the VALIDITY of those concern.

Or, As I said, based upon what you've defended and what you've IGNORED.

So let’s not play games here.

Btw, here’s a newsflash for you. I don’t “get” racism and homophobia either. Stating so should not subject one to derision because it hasn't a FKNG thing to do with not knowing of its existence, or not being aware of the kind of sick-fuck mentality behind MUCH of it.

My stating that simple means that I find it to be a conniving, backbiting, low brow, scurrilous, picayunish-assed contemptible mindset, based upon fear, misunderstanding, misinformation, and NO doubt a certain degree of SELF loathing, the whole of which compels those so AFFLICTED to subscribe to hate-based, racist ideology, and to demean and disparage those they consider as something "other."

Though I SUSPECT you’d be able to provide a rational explanation as justification for that kind of shit. What was it again? Fear of something different and preservation of the race?

While you guys are welcome to continue the same pissing match as always, there are some interesting / worrisome posts that the European members are making if you want to take some time to read them.

 

[englad]

This issue is beyond awful. My Jewish neighbours are talking (again) about emigrating. The are old and they don't want to leave. The synagogue closest to me is guarded when it is open by a couple of police men in stab-proof vests. There have been a lot of low-scale incidents: name calling, graffiti, an elderly Jewsih man (80) pulled from his car and roughed up. This is England.

The far left make the link between Jews and capitalists. The key word for them is Rothschild. The far left has bought into the conspiracy theory that Jews are bankers and run the world. The revolution will require the destruction of capitalists and therefore of the Jews. In England there are far left groups that are "joking" about where the concentration camp will be. The idea is that all property is theft, and the bankers/capitalists/Jews will be the first to have their property seized and will have to be accommodated somewhere.

Last night Corbyn attended a Jewdas meeting. He has caused outrage in the Jewish community. However his followers love it. While Labour has lost members in the last week there are over 1,000 new ones, inspired by the hatred shown by Labour. Jews in the UK are terrified. Everyone in the UK and indeed in the world should be terrified. Anti-Semitism is being used as a recruitment device for the shock troops of Momentum

Yes but I know the reason why you think like that Jason. You're exhibiting exactly what I said. You are displaying a faux concern for the victims of anti-semitism because you can't stand the labour party. I have never ever seen you write regarding ANY other bigotry whatsoever.

You are using victims as a political football for your own political motivations, and that is completely disingenuous to them. Why are doing that, pray? Because it literally is the only form of xenophobia you can personally tie to the labour party. That speaks volumes about your level of genuine concern when it comes down to bigotry. Because you have NEVER mentioned any form of bigotry whatsoever. Due to the lack of political convenience for you. You've never mentioned misogyny (ANOTHER favourite flavour for the DUP whom the conservatives are in bed with), you've never mentioned racism against Black people or Asians, you've not bothered to even stir your head in the anti-ziganism thread that I created whatsoever. Funny that, given your arch-euroscepticism, as frankly you could have had a field day:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportation_of_Roma_migrants_from_France


You are a perfect example of this part of what I was saying:

So basically, it is a combination of some real anti-semitism, a shit load of right wing political posturing pretending that they care about actual victims of anti-semitism (when it's just a politically expedient tool to bash the labour party, and this is deeply disingenous to the victims)and conflating one state (i.e. Israel) with all Jewish people (which is bollocks).

Why are you doing all this shit? Because you are shitting your pants that the Maybot doesn't have an ounce of charisma within her being, and the conservative party has been almost abandoned by anyone under the age of 45, and Corbyn did way, WAY better than you were hoping for. I called you out on this in the Eurozone thread itself, and you quietened down about it. Now you are back into foaming at the mouth "jihadi Jezza" taunts once more.

And what did your precious political party end up doing once they lost their majority? They jumped into bed with a party that has ACTUAL links to former terrorist paramilitaries, i.e. the Ulster Defence Association (the main loyalist paramilitary group, responsible for over 400 deaths within the troubles) and the Ulster Volunteer Force to a lesser extent. The UDA gets the bloody vote out for the DUP (Democratic Unionist Party) for goodness sake.

This was the same damn political party whose founder (Reverend Ian Paisley) led the "ULSTER SAYS NO TO SODOMY" campaign back in the late 70's, WHO were actively fighting against the repeal of laws that could put gay men into prison FOR LIFE. That party is the ONLY reason why Northern Ireland still doesn't have same sex marriage. This is deeply, deeply curious that that WOULDN'T bother you, given your stated sexuality percentage.

https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2017/06/...bes-who-now-hold-the-keys-to-power-in-the-uk/

https://www.independent.co.uk/voice...sn-t-mind-diverging-from-the-uk-a8093096.html CLICK ON THIS ONE IF YOU WANT TO FIND OUT ABOUT THE DUP'S MISOGYNY LEVELS TOO.

You also are a perfect example of something else I said:

or to indirectly bash the British muslim community.

Although in your case it wasn't indirect in the Eurozone thread now was it?

https://www.lpsg.com/threads/eurozo...-part-2-ireland.210816/page-1471#post-7143041

Of course it has lost him the Jewish vote. Sadly, it has bought him the Moslem vote. There may be 300,000 Jews in the UK, perhaps fewer. There are 3m Moslems. Sadly very many Moslems are attracted to voting Labour precisely because Labour is anti-Semitic. The electoral result seems clear: the Moslem vote, already predominantly Labour, is now absolutely solidly Labour. We will soon see the impact in the London elections (and indeed in other big cities). I think Corbyn is probably correct that being anti-Semitic as he and his party are is a vote winner.

So, painting the British muslim community as being rabid anti-semites who only voted for labour based on their own bigotry. That quote really did speak volumes, matey. As did your outdated spelling of that community, that fell out of favour in the 1940's. That's a curious point in history for someone with your world view now, isn't it? Wonder if there's any relevance that that decade was the main start of the decolonisation of the British Empire......

You just don't want to admit that after a decade of austerity, the ideological underfunding funding of the NHS by the conservatives (which unlike the vast majority of our other compatriots, you would want to dismantle) maybe a lot of Brits might actually might be keen on having a bit of hope, and a bit of fairness after a rising cost of living crisis and an incredibly divisive, xenophobic, sketchily funded leave campaign in the EU referendum that caused (JUST LIKE WITH TRUMP IN THE US) the hate crime rate to rise exponentionally, not a surprise when you have anti-immigration posters that literally like stills from Nazi propaganda.

https://www.lpsg.com/threads/eurozo...-part-2-ireland.210816/page-1471#post-7142187

Now I know you haven't personally mentioned direct xenophobia when it comes to discrimination against Polish people in particular, but the same can't be said for some of the brexiteers on the forum who have literally said that they feel uncomfortable with East Europeans (and that was very easy to infer how that impacted the way they were going to vote in the referendum). But it is also telling, how uncomfortable you've been in the past when I've spoken to either @eurotop40 or @Perados in German, that it bothers you so much. Just use bloody google translate, matey. I don't write in Austrian, reines Hochdeutsch einfach von mir Alter, with either of them (because one being Swiss and the other German, it would be pointless, I doubt they'd understand it, oder red i jetzt gaunz wuarscht oida?! )

And let's not forget of course the only political assassination of an MP in the 21st century, murdered by a right wing terrorist, Thomas Mair:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Jo_Cox

I know that obviously speaking a fair few languages I can pick up vibes very easily, but trust me, your silence about other bigotries can be DEAFENING.

PS You sold 1.2 million of your own damn citizens down the river to participate in this self-ingratiating wank fantasy to turn the UK into some sort of offshore tax haven (that we've done oh so well with virtually all our overseas territories, seriously Cayman Islands, British Virgin Islands, Channel Islands, the Isle of Man and Gibraltar to a much vaguer degree), which also happens to be Putin's wet dream. Apart from myself I'll tag in another one of those 1.2 million citizens into the thread @SamSpain .

And I'll just tag in a whole bunch of other people into the thread too. I start with some British who unlike yourself haven't yet given me vibes of being ultra-thatcherite, anti-nhs, pro-corporate tax haven tory types:

@Franny @allnitedontstop @hunghorse30 @swoon @BacknForth @dandelion

And I'll tag in an Irish guy, he will want a laugh:

@g0nz0

And I'll tag in some Americans (and a couple Canadians too) for this too:

@bigbull29 @6inchcock @Mister B @MickeyLee @LaFemme @Nudistpig @Klingsor @Tight_N_Juicy @Silbot

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While you guys are welcome to continue the same pissing match as always, there are some interesting / worrisome posts that the European members are making if you want to take some time to read them.

Be careful about calling this guy European, despite the fact he is. He's so rabidly eurosceptic, he might argue with you on this one.

 

[Jason]

Yes but I know the reason why you think like that Jason. You're exhibiting exactly what I said. You are displaying a faux concern for the victims of anti-semitism because you can't stand the labour party. I have never ever seen you write regarding ANY other bigotry whatsoever.

In many of your posts replying to posters you suggest you somehow know something about the posters and can judge them. This is both wrong and dangerous.

In the very many posts on this board there are plenty of things I've got het up about. I've been concerned for example about the treatment of the Roma (the Gypsies).

The issues around anti-Semitism right now are two-fold:
* this form of abuse is growing very, very fast. The official figures aren't yet compiled, but every local community in the UK (where there is a Jewish population) will be aware of incidents.
* Labour/Momentum/Corbyn are actively supporting anti-Semitism. Corbyn's decision to attend the Jewdas meeting last night has been regarded by the Jewish community as a provocation.

There have always been incidents of racism in political parties in UK and elsewhere. The new development is that the leader of one of the two big political parties has embraced anti-Semitism. Following the Jewdas meeting there is no room for ambiguity. Corbyn is anti-Semitic. He is using anti-Semitism as a wolf whistle for his Momentum followers.

The Labour Party is now the moral equivalent of BNP. It is worse than France's Front National or Germany's AfD, parties whose manifestos are not actually anti-Semitic (even if we might not believe them). Corbyn hasn't quite put it into words yet, but Labour is threatening Jews/capitlists/bankers. What we are seeing is the equivalent of the rise of Hitler in the 1930s. It is beyond terrifying. The Labour Party that Corbyn has taken over isn't some fringe that no-one votes for but really is getting serious numbers of votes.

 

[798686]

Are you a pre-Vatican 2 catholic by any chance?

The guilt levels you must have, must make you very good in bed.

Slut.