Antifa, have you heard of it?

[littlestiffy]

So what? Antifa wears masks when they beat and maim. I am not a PB fan, they are thugs, but they aren’t chickenshit like antifa, who wear cowardly masks when they beat and maim.

Portland mayor confident arrests will be made in journalist's Antifa assault case, as new threat looms

First, Antifa is a Twitter hashtag. It has no existence beyond that. There's no list. There's no leaders. There's no group. It's people who how up to protest/resist fascists and white racists. No one acting in an Antifa action has ever maimed anyone. They are there to disrupt. Not withstanding claims by a publicity hungry drama queen or two, they don't maim or seriously injure anyone. Period.

 

[Thikn2velvet1]

First, Antifa is a Twitter hashtag. It has no existence beyond that. There's no list. There's no leaders. There's no group. It's people who how up to protest/resist fascists and white racists. No one acting in an Antifa action has ever maimed anyone. They are there to disrupt. Not withstanding claims by a publicity hungry drama queen or two, they don't maim or seriously injure anyone. Period.

Who maimed Andy Ngo? Martians?

 

[littlestiffy]

He wasn't maimed. That was the publicity hungry drama queen I had foremost in mind. He was hit by a few punches and kicks in the torso and legs -- sprayed with silly string, and he was hit in the head with a well-aimed milkshake. No maiming.

 

[littlestiffy]

Definition of MAIM:
verb (used with object)
to deprive of the use of some part of the body by wounding or the like; cripple: The explosion maimed him for life.
to impair; make essentially defective:
to impair; make essentially defective:

From Merriam-Webster
Definition of maim
(Entry 1 of 2)
transitive verb

1 : to commit the felony of mayhem upon
2 : to mutilate, disfigure, or wound seriously

noun
Definition of maim (Entry 2 of 2)

1 obsolete : serious physical injury especially : loss of a member of the body

maim implies the loss or injury of a bodily member through violence.

Definition of mayhem
1a : willful and permanent deprivation of a bodily member resulting in the impairment of a person's fighting ability
b : willful and permanent crippling, mutilation, or disfigurement of any part of the body

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The only permanent crippling that happened to Ngo was the shedding of his final shreds of his dignity (his blogging had shed most of it already)..

 

[Klingsor]

Then for you, violence can be an answer? Good to know.

I'd rather it didn't come to that. So did many people in the 1930s. Let's hope we have better luck.

 

[b.c.]

First, Antifa is a Twitter hashtag. It has no existence beyond that. There's no list. There's no leaders. There's no group. It's people who how up to protest/resist fascists and white racists. No one acting in an Antifa action has ever maimed anyone. They are there to disrupt. Not withstanding claims by a publicity hungry drama queen or two, they don't maim or seriously injure anyone. Period.

Precisely... like I said in my thread "Donald Trump Just Sided with (fascists)" antifa is the name that RIGHT wingers assign to ANY left leaning individual or group of individuals who engage in active demonstration against racism, bigotry, fascism, and supremacist ideologies. There is no "group" like the organized right winged zealots, nazis, etc. that engage in deliberate efforts to provoke confrontations in our city streets, and spread fear and hate on our nation's college campuses, the latter of which Trump himself sanctioned via EXECUTIVE ORDER.

The right hopes to silence such activism by attributing an "antifa terrorist" label to left winged social activists. Just like EVERY African American protestor of police misconduct, murder by cop, and disparities in "law enforcement" must be BLM.

It's THEIR fkng CON game.

Curiously enough, these SAME sorts can quote you anyone who's been assaulted by some left winged protestor assumed to be "antifa" or some bad actors assumed to be BLM,

but they've NEVER SAID A FUCKING WORD in condemnation of the El Paso shooter, the synagogue murderer, the pipe bomb mailer, the church and mall shooters, the supremacists and neo-Nazis in Charlottesville, one of whom drove a car into a crowd of people KILLING a woman, the hate based racist rhetoric coming from Individual 1 and his cronies, nor ANY of the OTHER right winged acts of terrorism and MURDER.

But hey, that "antifa" ... gotta stop THEM.

 

[StormfrontFL]

Precisely... like I said in my thread "Donald Trump Just Sided with (fascists)" antifa is the name that RIGHT wingers assign to ANY left leaning individual or group of individuals who engage in active demonstration against racism, bigotry, fascism, and supremacist ideologies. There is no "group" like the organized right winged zealots, nazis, etc. that engage in deliberate efforts to provoke confrontations in our city streets, and spread fear and hate on our nation's college campuses, the latter of which Trump himself sanctioned via EXECUTIVE ORDER.

The right hopes to silence such activism by attributing an "antifa terrorist" label to left winged social activists. Just like EVERY African American protestor of police misconduct, murder by cop, and disparities in "law enforcement" must be BLM.

It's THEIR fkng CON game.

Curiously enough, these SAME sorts can quote you anyone who's been assaulted by some left winged protestor assumed to be "antifa" or some bad actors assumed to be BLM,

but they've NEVER SAID A FUCKING WORD in condemnation of the El Paso shooter, the synagogue murderer, the pipe bomb mailer, the church and mall shooters, the supremacists and neo-Nazis in Charlottesville, one of whom drove a car into a crowd of people KILLING a woman, the hate based racist rhetoric coming from Individual 1 and his cronies, nor ANY of the OTHER right winged acts of terrorism and MURDER.

But hey, that "antifa" ... gotta stop THEM.

To be fair we did get a "meh" about the right wing nuts. We did get a diatribe about left wing protestors.
Does "meh" equal total outrage and condemnation?

 

[Thikn2velvet1]

Definition of MAIM:
verb (used with object)
to deprive of the use of some part of the body by wounding or the like; cripple: The explosion maimed him for life.
to impair; make essentially defective:
to impair; make essentially defective:

From Merriam-Webster
Definition of maim
(Entry 1 of 2)
transitive verb

1 : to commit the felony of mayhem upon
2 : to mutilate, disfigure, or wound seriously

noun
Definition of maim (Entry 2 of 2)

1 obsolete : serious physical injury especially : loss of a member of the body

maim implies the loss or injury of a bodily member through violence.

Definition of mayhem
1a : willful and permanent deprivation of a bodily member resulting in the impairment of a person's fighting ability
b : willful and permanent crippling, mutilation, or disfigurement of any part of the body

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The only permanent crippling that happened to Ngo was the shedding of his final shreds of his dignity (his blogging had shed most of it already)..

Why do they wear masks?

 

[StormfrontFL]

Why do they wear masks?

Perhaps so people don't go to their houses or places of work and gun them down? Don't say it has never happened. Some opposed to abortion went to the homes or churches of practitioners and gunned them down.

Assassination of George Tiller - Wikipedia

Right wingers seem prone to resort to violence so anonymity likely provides some protection. You can never be too safe.

 

[Industrialsize]

Old school Antifa: Violet Gibson the Irish woman who shot Mussolini in the face.

 

[zinderel]

Hadn't heard of them either. I'm down with being anti-fascist, or anti-conservative, for that matter. But I'm too old and staid to dress up and join a movement, let alone a radical, violent one.

What's great about ANTIFA is that if you arent up for direct action - the stuff everyone thinks is all ANTIFA does, like the black bloc tactic, and the ways they distract the cops to allow rank and file protestors to get home to their families rather than be kettled and abused by militarized police looking to crack heads - you can always take part by working first aid, or just...be involved in a march as a participant. Simply by being present, you are suddenly ANTIFA. No initiation ritual, no fees, no doctrines. Just people protesting injustice and overreach by authority.

Little know fact: ANTIFA has first aid people at every protest, so if you get pepper sprayed, or rubber bulleted, or you head is cracked open by 'non-lethal'police weaponry, you can get first aid for yourinjuries. Whoever you are. I have PERSONALLY seen ANTIFA medics treating a Proud Boy for pepper spray. What's more, the scary, all-black-clad Black Bloc that everyone just assumes IS ANTIFA, thanks to misinformarion campaigners in right wing media? Just part of the movement. The bulk of it is union members, workers, college kids, retirees, veterans.

At the May Day 'riot' in Portland a few years ago, just after Trump got elected, I saw ANTIFA. I was ANTIFA. We marched peacefully down the streets of Portland in memory of the workers who fought and shed blood and died to give us what few work-related benefits we still have (like no more child labor, 40 hour work weeks, weekends, vacation time, and so kn...all the things the Right has been stripping away for decades). We marched past HEAVILY armed and armored cops, singing songs of worker solidarity as we marched. As we continued along the path - a parade route we had a legal permit for - my group, the IWW, was near the back and heard a commotion. Black Bloc members, who march at the rear, began racing through the rest of the crowd, lifting their masks. "The police are about to start some violence," was the warning. Moments later, and with only a split second of warning, the first 'non-lethal' rounds raced into the crowd, exploding in concussions and smoke eruptions. A megaphone voice declared that the parade was canceled, the permit revoked.

Why?

Because we had been chanting 'ACAB' at the heavily armed and armored police presence who were clearly itching for a fight. The police later said that there had been 'molotovs' present, which was a lie. There were dollar store smoke pellets (the kind you give to kids who are too young for fireworks) and cans of Pepsi. Against fully riot-geared, heavily militarized cops.

So, while the Black Bloc warned us and gave us time to start moving towards our cars, they engaged the police, using all those SCARY tactics you've heard about and seen contextless videos of. They set fires in trash cans and dragged the cans into the road. They broke plate glass windows. They threw rocks and cans of soda and bottles of water that bounced off of riot shields, and took pellet bags and tasers and mace. By the time my family and I made it to the car, the streets were a hazy warzone of cops firing heavy weaponry at college kids in black clothes. It later came out that PPD had 'announced' the revocation of the permit, not to the organizers of the march, but had been discussing it amongst themselves, and were overheard by a Black Bloc member. Without that forewarning, we would not have had time to get the KIDS who were at the March out. We would not have been able to get the elderly veterans and disabled folks to safety who were marching with us.

And after it was all over, it was all blamed on ANTIFA, not on the PPD bastards who took violent a tion to break up a peaceful march because we hurt their feelings.

Many people think ANTIFA is like Al-Qaeda, with a central leadership and goals of terrorism and violence. This is untrue. There is no organization, no membership, no leaders (other than people who've been doing it for a while and know what their doing). It is simply people speaking out against injustice - race, gender, sexuality, rent, housing, police brutality, white nationalism - and taking to the street to have their voices heard. Right Wing agitprop focuses on a small but visible contingent who understand street tactics and how to keep police busy, and make it seem like that's all of us, because people are gullible and believe what they see on TV, and don't research or seek out further details.

ANTIFA is not evil. The Black Bloc are not terrorists. I guarantee you that if police brutality went away, and white supremaciat/nationalist douchenozzles stopped trying to make America White again, and employers stopped fucking over their employees to squeeze every drop of capital into their own pockets, regardless of the labor that actually MADE the product, those scary, black clad demons that have white conservatives all up in their feels would go back to playing Call of Duty and eating Takis while smoking a bowl.

Don't want ANTIFA to 'come at you'? Don't be a proto-fascist douchenozzle. Don't march in support of white nationalism/supremacy. Don't deny women their rights. Don't deny people of color their humanity. Don't deny poor people their dignity.

It's pretty simple.

 

[Motion-of-the-Ocean]

Aren't they that group of beaded white guys who dress up in MAGA hats, black & yellow polo shirts (complete with body armor) and carry Confederate flags and sometimes rifles? I also heard they participate in violent acts at anti-mask and anti-lock down rallies, which includes trying to kidnap and kill the leaders of the states involved in those rulings. I've also heard it on good authority that they commit these heinous acts in order to frame the good name of Trump and his supporters and were even responsible for 100% of the violence at the Capital while patriotic conservatives remained peaceful as they always are when expressing their right to free speech.

So are we ever going to get that sarcasm emoji?

 

[bramguy60]

What's great about ANTIFA is that if you arent up for direct action - the stuff everyone thinks is all ANTIFA does, like the black bloc tactic, and the ways they distract the cops to allow rank and file protestors to get home to their families rather than be kettled and abused by militarized police looking to crack heads - you can always take part by working first aid, or just...be involved in a march as a participant. Simply by being present, you are suddenly ANTIFA. No initiation ritual, no fees, no doctrines. Just people protesting injustice and overreach by authority.

Little know fact: ANTIFA has first aid people at every protest, so if you get pepper sprayed, or rubber bulleted, or you head is cracked open by 'non-lethal'police weaponry, you can get first aid for yourinjuries. Whoever you are. I have PERSONALLY seen ANTIFA medics treating a Proud Boy for pepper spray. What's more, the scary, all-black-clad Black Bloc that everyone just assumes IS ANTIFA, thanks to misinformarion campaigners in right wing media? Just part of the movement. The bulk of it is union members, workers, college kids, retirees, veterans.

At the May Day 'riot' in Portland a few years ago, just after Trump got elected, I saw ANTIFA. I was ANTIFA. We marched peacefully down the streets of Portland in memory of the workers who fought and shed blood and died to give us what few work-related benefits we still have (like no more child labor, 40 hour work weeks, weekends, vacation time, and so kn...all the things the Right has been stripping away for decades). We marched past HEAVILY armed and armored cops, singing songs of worker solidarity as we marched. As we continued along the path - a parade route we had a legal permit for - my group, the IWW, was near the back and heard a commotion. Black Bloc members, who march at the rear, began racing through the rest of the crowd, lifting their masks. "The police are about to start some violence," was the warning. Moments later, and with only a split second of warning, the first 'non-lethal' rounds raced into the crowd, exploding in concussions and smoke eruptions. A megaphone voice declared that the parade was canceled, the permit revoked.

Why?

Because we had been chanting 'ACAB' at the heavily armed and armored police presence who were clearly itching for a fight. The police later said that there had been 'molotovs' present, which was a lie. There were dollar store smoke pellets (the kind you give to kids who are too young for fireworks) and cans of Pepsi. Against fully riot-geared, heavily militarized cops.

So, while the Black Bloc warned us and gave us time to start moving towards our cars, they engaged the police, using all those SCARY tactics you've heard about and seen contextless videos of. They set fires in trash cans and dragged the cans into the road. They broke plate glass windows. They threw rocks and cans of soda and bottles of water that bounced off of riot shields, and took pellet bags and tasers and mace. By the time my family and I made it to the car, the streets were a hazy warzone of cops firing heavy weaponry at college kids in black clothes. It later came out that PPD had 'announced' the revocation of the permit, not to the organizers of the march, but had been discussing it amongst themselves, and were overheard by a Black Bloc member. Without that forewarning, we would not have had time to get the KIDS who were at the March out. We would not have been able to get the elderly veterans and disabled folks to safety who were marching with us.

And after it was all over, it was all blamed on ANTIFA, not on the PPD bastards who took violent a tion to break up a peaceful march because we hurt their feelings.

Many people think ANTIFA is like Al-Qaeda, with a central leadership and goals of terrorism and violence. This is untrue. There is no organization, no membership, no leaders (other than people who've been doing it for a while and know what their doing). It is simply people speaking out against injustice - race, gender, sexuality, rent, housing, police brutality, white nationalism - and taking to the street to have their voices heard. Right Wing agitprop focuses on a small but visible contingent who understand street tactics and how to keep police busy, and make it seem like that's all of us, because people are gullible and believe what they see on TV, and don't research or seek out further details.

ANTIFA is not evil. The Black Bloc are not terrorists. I guarantee you that if police brutality went away, and white supremaciat/nationalist douchenozzles stopped trying to make America White again, and employers stopped fucking over their employees to squeeze every drop of capital into their own pockets, regardless of the labor that actually MADE the product, those scary, black clad demons that have white conservatives all up in their feels would go back to playing Call of Duty and eating Takis while smoking a bowl.

Don't want ANTIFA to 'come at you'? Don't be a proto-fascist douchenozzle. Don't march in support of white nationalism/supremacy. Don't deny women their rights. Don't deny people of color their humanity. Don't deny poor people their dignity.

It's pretty simple.

really what has Portland done then ? they seem to have been there for a year

 

[4202HHN]

Precisely... like I said in my thread "Donald Trump Just Sided with (fascists)" antifa is the name that RIGHT wingers assign to ANY left leaning individual or group of individuals who engage in active demonstration against racism, bigotry, fascism, and supremacist ideologies. There is no "group" like the organized right winged zealots, nazis, etc. that engage in deliberate efforts to provoke confrontations in our city streets, and spread fear and hate on our nation's college campuses, the latter of which Trump himself sanctioned via EXECUTIVE ORDER.

The right hopes to silence such activism by attributing an "antifa terrorist" label to left winged social activists. Just like EVERY African American protestor of police misconduct, murder by cop, and disparities in "law enforcement" must be BLM.

It's THEIR fkng CON game.

Curiously enough, these SAME sorts can quote you anyone who's been assaulted by some left winged protestor assumed to be "antifa" or some bad actors assumed to be BLM,

but they've NEVER SAID A FUCKING WORD in condemnation of the El Paso shooter, the synagogue murderer, the pipe bomb mailer, the church and mall shooters, the supremacists and neo-Nazis in Charlottesville, one of whom drove a car into a crowd of people KILLING a woman, the hate based racist rhetoric coming from Individual 1 and his cronies, nor ANY of the OTHER right winged acts of terrorism and MURDER.

But hey, that "antifa" ... gotta stop THEM.

This and the answer you quoted are about the only posts here I've read so far that have a clue. And someone earlier saying they are the left version of the KKK? JFC.

 

[4202HHN]

What's great about ANTIFA is that if you arent up for direct action - the stuff everyone thinks is all ANTIFA does, like the black bloc tactic, and the ways they distract the cops to allow rank and file protestors to get home to their families rather than be kettled and abused by militarized police looking to crack heads - you can always take part by working first aid, or just...be involved in a march as a participant. Simply by being present, you are suddenly ANTIFA. No initiation ritual, no fees, no doctrines. Just people protesting injustice and overreach by authority.

Little know fact: ANTIFA has first aid people at every protest, so if you get pepper sprayed, or rubber bulleted, or you head is cracked open by 'non-lethal'police weaponry, you can get first aid for yourinjuries. Whoever you are. I have PERSONALLY seen ANTIFA medics treating a Proud Boy for pepper spray. What's more, the scary, all-black-clad Black Bloc that everyone just assumes IS ANTIFA, thanks to misinformarion campaigners in right wing media? Just part of the movement. The bulk of it is union members, workers, college kids, retirees, veterans.

At the May Day 'riot' in Portland a few years ago, just after Trump got elected, I saw ANTIFA. I was ANTIFA. We marched peacefully down the streets of Portland in memory of the workers who fought and shed blood and died to give us what few work-related benefits we still have (like no more child labor, 40 hour work weeks, weekends, vacation time, and so kn...all the things the Right has been stripping away for decades). We marched past HEAVILY armed and armored cops, singing songs of worker solidarity as we marched. As we continued along the path - a parade route we had a legal permit for - my group, the IWW, was near the back and heard a commotion. Black Bloc members, who march at the rear, began racing through the rest of the crowd, lifting their masks. "The police are about to start some violence," was the warning. Moments later, and with only a split second of warning, the first 'non-lethal' rounds raced into the crowd, exploding in concussions and smoke eruptions. A megaphone voice declared that the parade was canceled, the permit revoked.

Why?

Because we had been chanting 'ACAB' at the heavily armed and armored police presence who were clearly itching for a fight. The police later said that there had been 'molotovs' present, which was a lie. There were dollar store smoke pellets (the kind you give to kids who are too young for fireworks) and cans of Pepsi. Against fully riot-geared, heavily militarized cops.

So, while the Black Bloc warned us and gave us time to start moving towards our cars, they engaged the police, using all those SCARY tactics you've heard about and seen contextless videos of. They set fires in trash cans and dragged the cans into the road. They broke plate glass windows. They threw rocks and cans of soda and bottles of water that bounced off of riot shields, and took pellet bags and tasers and mace. By the time my family and I made it to the car, the streets were a hazy warzone of cops firing heavy weaponry at college kids in black clothes. It later came out that PPD had 'announced' the revocation of the permit, not to the organizers of the march, but had been discussing it amongst themselves, and were overheard by a Black Bloc member. Without that forewarning, we would not have had time to get the KIDS who were at the March out. We would not have been able to get the elderly veterans and disabled folks to safety who were marching with us.

And after it was all over, it was all blamed on ANTIFA, not on the PPD bastards who took violent a tion to break up a peaceful march because we hurt their feelings.

Many people think ANTIFA is like Al-Qaeda, with a central leadership and goals of terrorism and violence. This is untrue. There is no organization, no membership, no leaders (other than people who've been doing it for a while and know what their doing). It is simply people speaking out against injustice - race, gender, sexuality, rent, housing, police brutality, white nationalism - and taking to the street to have their voices heard. Right Wing agitprop focuses on a small but visible contingent who understand street tactics and how to keep police busy, and make it seem like that's all of us, because people are gullible and believe what they see on TV, and don't research or seek out further details.

ANTIFA is not evil. The Black Bloc are not terrorists. I guarantee you that if police brutality went away, and white supremaciat/nationalist douchenozzles stopped trying to make America White again, and employers stopped fucking over their employees to squeeze every drop of capital into their own pockets, regardless of the labor that actually MADE the product, those scary, black clad demons that have white conservatives all up in their feels would go back to playing Call of Duty and eating Takis while smoking a bowl.

Don't want ANTIFA to 'come at you'? Don't be a proto-fascist douchenozzle. Don't march in support of white nationalism/supremacy. Don't deny women their rights. Don't deny people of color their humanity. Don't deny poor people their dignity.

It's pretty simple.

Another good post. Right wingers making shit up about Antifa is to be expected, but liberals like getting in on it too, I guess to show how they're polite and sensible they are. Thank you for this.