Any Al gore Kook Aid drinkers still believe in Global Warming?
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The title of the thread suggests that Global Warming is a hoax because of Al Gore's actions.
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Actually... it hasn't closed up, tho it has gotten smaller.
And, seriously, are you so ignorant that you are unaware of the global ban on CFCs, 18 years ago, which were thought to be "causing" the depletion of ozone?
Thus, if the hole in the ozone HAS reduced in recent years, That is an argument that it WAS caused by CFC's and that banning CFCs mitigated the problem.
That would be the argument that humanity CAN dramatically improve an environmental problem thru proactive means and eliminating pollution.
Way to undercut your own position, dude.
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And my point is, what does that have to do with the science of AGW, or the trumped up controversy implied by the BBC article?
Let me be more clear about this. The title of this thread has implicit within it a number of agendas:
1) As a diversionary device, it seeks to set up Al Gore as an authority on AGW, therefore setting the stage for any possible criticim of Al Gore as proxy for demonstrating the illegitmacy of the science of AGW.
2) As another diversionary technique, it attempts to divert attention from the fact that the concerns about AGW come from the worldwide professional scientific community over the last few decades. By diverting the attention to Al Gore the implication is that anyone who accepts the concern about AGW is mindlessly adhering to the ideology of a single American politician. Like all science denial tactics, it seeks to undermine the epistemology of science as something that is more like politicla or ideological opinions.
3) Finally, by implication the article is offered as some kind of evidence for a controversy over the basic concerns of AGW, when it is clearly written by a journalist who is either wilfully ignorant or purposely divisive in an attempt to sell more articles. Anyone with an ounce of curiousity and honesty would actually look into the work of the scientists being cited and realize that their work has more to do with the periodic (going up and down) contributions of short term (decades long) phenomenon superimposed on the centennial (100s of years) predicted rise in average annual temperature worldwide.
I cannot find one well meaning, honestly offered, good faith word in the OPs thread title nor his offering of the article as a refutation of AGW science.
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"A sucker is born every minute." -PT Barnum of Barnum & Bailey's Circus and Freak Show. Back when circus' were the thing to go to they made ALOT of money off their 'freak shows' and circus shows. They were pretty much the 'Microsoft' or 'Wal-mart' of the circus and fair world. I do believe Mr. Gore took advantage of our 'ignorance' and 'fears' and he is laughing all the way to the bank...or was laughing because as 'global warming' is being proven scientifically more false by legit scientists Al is making more and more people angry at him. What comes around goes around. 
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What still puzzles me is how Al Gore convinced thousands of career professional climatologists from all walks of live, all political persuasions, and from all over the world to fall in with his scam.
And how did he get them all to sign his bogus IPCC reports for the last 30 years?
Perhaps you are selling Al short if he can do things like that.
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Conspiracy theories as outlandish as this are for chumps. Somehow you think decades upon decades of research from scientists around the world proving the existence of climate change and global warming is all due to a scam made up by a former Vice President?
Let me know when your brain has caught up to the grown ups first, son... then we can talk about my age.
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SilverTrain
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It's all some worldwide liberal scam.
Like the Illuminati. Or extended warranties on home electronics. Or university educations.
JustAsking
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And the Internet. Don't forget the Internet. Al Gore was behind that, too. But don't worry. I am about to pass out the tinfoil hats.
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er, wait. Does production of tinfoil hats affect climate? All that reflectivity and all....
JustAsking
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In fact, tinfoil hats might be the major factor in climate change. Not through the actual environmental effects, but through blocking remedial public policy.
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Conspiracy theories as outlandish as this are for chumps. Somehow you think decades upon decades of research from scientists around the world proving the existence of climate change and global warming is all due to a scam made up by a former Vice President?
Let me know when your brain has caught up to the grown ups first, son... then we can talk about my age.
A lot of people, like myself, don't question that it's happening, but whether or not it's natural or man-made. I'm not convinced it's entirely man-made, and if we have an impact on it it wouldn't be that huge.
Plus some elements of the green movement are a joke, like carbon credits for example. I'm all for getting into alternative energy and finding cleaner, more enviro-friendly ways to dispose of waste and live our lives. However, things like carbon credits imposed on individuals (not quite imposed, it's voluntary) and businesses will just be a joke.
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Do you also have opinions on the current techniques for brain surgery, or perhaps the status of string theory vis a vis the Standard Model?
I am only being slightly sarcastic. A lot of people have a gut feeling about this like you do. But we learned a long time ago that our gut is not a very good scientists. For example, our gut would never suggest to us that the continents move around, that light is both wave and particle, and that time and mass vary with velocity.
On the other hand, I agree with this. Our response to AGW in the form of public policy is something that should be debated by everyone. Alhough even the remedies are somewhat technical, they are also economic, political, social, cultural, and legal.
MercyfulFate
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It does not mean everything is correct though, as science constantly evolves, learns and adapts. Thirty years from now they could have a completely different reason for why global warming is occurring.
Remember when 8 glasses of water a day was the recommendation? Turns out that changed and it actually wasn't, things like that show how it can change.
I'd also like to read about any 100% consensus on global warming being man-made. Seems like when I look for it, it's far more divided than the media would have you believe. Here's one example from an old Senate Committee on EPW:
http://epw.senate.gov/public/index....ecord_id=927b9303-802a-23ad-494b-dccb00b51a12
http://epw.senate.gov/public/index....ecord_id=84e9e44a-802a-23ad-493a-b35d0842fed8
And String Theory with the Standard model is theoretical physics, something I couldn't possibly care less about
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Some part of it is definitely man-made.
I'll give you an example... one of my good friends just returned from a trip to Japan. One of the first things he noticed is that the air was much cleaner than in New York. Not a hard feat, I guess... but you would expect major cities in Japan to have major problems with air quality especially when you consider the number of people who live there and how industrialized the major cities are. So, how did they do it? According to his tour guide, a measure was passed by their government to give a healthy tax break to anyone who purchases and operates a green car. The program must have been a success, for about 75% of the cars on the road in their part of the country are now green compliant. And here's the kicker... the program started ONE YEAR AGO.
Even if some of the findings surrounding Global Warming, climate change and our environment turn out to be false, and I'm sure some of it will be proven inaccurate because that's the nature of evolving scientific research, what's so wrong with doing simple things to help make our lives better? By all means, nobody is saying that you have to do it. But I get a little sick and tired watching uneducated people (such as the little, anonymous fruit up above) spew such ignorance on the subject matter all because they're too lazy to better themselves.
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No offense but you obviously didn't read my post, and anecdotal evidence doesn't really account for much.
Re-Read what I said and you'll see your second paragraph doesn't really make any sense towards it.
"Originally Posted by MercyfulFate
Plus some elements of the green movement are a joke, like carbon credits for example. I'm all for getting into alternative energy and finding cleaner, more enviro-friendly ways to dispose of waste and live our lives. However, things like carbon credits imposed on individuals (not quite imposed, it's voluntary) and businesses will just be a joke."
