Any Conservative Cock-lovers?

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Seeking_SuperHung:

Originally posted by headbang8+Dec 12 2004, 06:05 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(headbang8 &#064; Dec 12 2004, 06:05 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'>Seeking SH, I understand where you&#39;re coming from.

If you take out the looney religious right and (what remains of) the radical left, I suspect that there&#39;s more on which conservatives and liberals agree than not. [/b]

That&#39;s pretty much how I&#39;ve always felt too...

...unfortunately, the Radical Right and the Looney Left seem to be driving forces behind electoral primaries/caucuses (witness Dean vs Kerry)-- which is why they so often appear to set the stage despite being relative minorities.

Originally posted by headbang8+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(headbang8)</div><div class='quotemain'>I consider myself a progressive, and I&#39;d hazard to suggest that...

You and I both think that government shouldn&#39;t interfere with private behaviour[/b]

Agreed

Originally posted by headbang8
We both believe it&#39;s good to create wealth, both for individuals and the country as a whole

depends... create that wealth yourself via private industry, or through government-funded social programs?

As for me: yes to the former, no to the latter (with exceptions in both respective cases of course).

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We both believe government has a responsibility to provide services and enact laws that contribute to public order and set the stage for individuals to realise their legitimate ambitions. And that it should try to do that with as low a burden as possible on it citizens. [/quote]
indeed

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That said, the single main issue on which we might disagree is how we, as a community, deal with the indigent...those suffering from poverty, illness or other hardship. Conservatives generally feel this should be the province of private charity, whereas progressives believe there is some obligation on the public purse. But I suspect that we both agree that there are some people, no matter what, who cannot help themselves, and someone/something should be there to help. [/quote]
I dont really disagree with you therewithin, just like to see more accountability for said programs in order to negate abuse (to the best extent possible)

 

[13788]

Seeking_SuperHung:

Originally posted by bignfloppy+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(bignfloppy)</div><div class='quotemain'> I am a Michael Savage listener, and I think he&#39;s the smartest guy on the radio. [/b]

He does make some good points, and quite often I might add.... but his complete and UTTER lack of argumentative skill relegates him to the status of "raving lunatic" to those who might otherwise receive his message-- and I think that&#39;s sad&#33;

Originally posted by bignfloppy+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(bignfloppy)</div><div class='quotemain'>I&#39;m infuriated by the left-biased mainstream media and the whacko morons in Hollywood.[/b]

They have the right to voice their mind... just as we have the right to recognize/ridicule the imbecilic (not to mention unmitigatedly naive&#33 manner in which some of them publically present themselves and their views

Originally posted by bignfloppy
I don&#39;t like the government taking my money and handing it out to winos and drug addicts.

Nor do I, but since:
1) the poor/destitute/derelict will always be among us
2) any civilized government, socialistic or not, takes it upon itself to assist said individuals to some degree

....it&#39;s always gonna happen.

Originally posted by bignfloppy
I don&#39;t like illegals sneaking into the country and stealing my money in the form of taxes, crowding the hospitals, and disregarding the English language.

Who does... but whatcha really gonna do about it?

Not like it&#39;s a new problem; and also not like any President has done anything more than apply "patchwork" sufficient to hold the "leak" until his four/eight years are over, after which it would no longer be &#39;his&#39; problem.

Originally posted by bignfloppy
I hear these idiot politicians promising me and my children free healthcare and I wonder when they will wake up and realise that SOCIALISM DOESN&#39;T WORK&#33;

agreed

Originally posted by bignfloppy
I am offended by the satanists and atheists in the ACLU who are flushing my money down the toilet on lawsuits to obliterate all public displays of the Ten Commandments and Christmas dispalys.

agreed

Originally posted by bignfloppy
I am offended at the schools&#39; preaching of "tolerance" and "diversity" while refusing to reckognise the difference between "prejudice" and "racism," "sexism," and any other "-ism."

Tolerance is a 2way street... too bad that many minorities don&#39;t yet realize that (and for the sake of candor: I&#39;m speaking thus as a multiple-minority).

Originally posted by bignfloppy
I am disgusted by the murder of unborn babies and the selling of their organs.

I (reluctantly) support it, so gotta disagree with you there.

Also, IINM, the organs of aborted fetus are very rarely &#39;sold&#39;.



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(I&#39;m also very opposed to the death penalty.)[/quote]
see... even you have your liberal qualities ^_^


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I came here because I had some questions that I thought might be answered by a "large penis support group" and slowly realized that what I had actually found was nothing more than a bunch of sicko perverts.[/quote]
Sure that some here were apparently teased one-time-too-many in the locker room, thus brandishing their inner frustration here within....

But for every one of them here, I&#39;ve "met" plenty more very decent/knowledgeable people who understand my mentality and concerns in ways others do not (props out to Madame Z., Ashlar, etc B))

he he he

 

[KinkGuy]

I may be stooopid, but I thought the whole thing a joke, especially if you did visit the web link. Drumming up business?

 

[13788]

Seeking_SuperHung:

Originally posted by KinkGuy@Dec 15 2004, 02:05 PM
I may be stooopid, but I thought the whole thing a joke, especially if you did visit the web link. Drumming up business?

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...what weblink?

 

[jonb]

Originally posted by Seeking_SuperHung@Dec 15 2004, 12:40 AM
...unfortunately, the Radical Right and the Looney Left seem to be driving forces behind electoral primaries/caucuses (witness Dean vs Kerry)-- which is why they so often appear to set the stage despite being relative minorities.

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Conservatism doesn&#39;t sell. Instead in America, you&#39;re expected to follow your dreams, even ones inspired by wild mushrooms.

I remember a talk show in the early 90s which had Frances Cress-Welsing vs. Phillippe Rushton. Welsing argues that imperialism is just a case of penis envy on the part of the white man. Rushton argues that penis size is inversely correlated to intelligence.

 

[KinkGuy]

Originally posted by Seeking_SuperHung+Dec 15 2004, 02:25 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Seeking_SuperHung &#064; Dec 15 2004, 02:25 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-KinkGuy@Dec 15 2004, 02:05 PM
I may be stooopid, but I thought the whole thing a joke, especially if you did visit the web link.  Drumming up business?

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...what weblink?

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The one in floppy&#39;s rant.

 

[madame_zora]

Originally posted by KinkGuy+Dec 16 2004, 01:14 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(KinkGuy &#064; Dec 16 2004, 01:14 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'>

Originally posted by Seeking_SuperHung@Dec 15 2004, 02:25 PM
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@Dec 15 2004, 02:05 PM
I may be stooopid, but I thought the whole thing a joke, especially if you did visit the web link.  Drumming up business?

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...what weblink?

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The one in floppy&#39;s rant.

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I got everything I needed from that rant, didn&#39;t think the link would enlighten much.....

 

[13788]

Seeking_SuperHung:

Originally posted by jonb@Dec 15 2004, 04:27 PM
Conservatism doesn&#39;t sell.

Not to sound crass at all... but Jon, are you kidding us with that?&#33; :blink:


Take a look at:

• Rush Limbaugh: #1 in ratings for scheduled programs on radio, essentially the SuperBowl of broadcast&#33;
• Sean Hannity: #2 in ratings for scheduled programs on radio
• Bill O&#39;Reilly&#39;s O&#39;Reilly Factor: #1 in ratings for hour-long news broadcast
• FoxNews: #1 cable news network... higher ratings than CNN & MSNBC combined

Conservatism most certainly does sell; both financially and (to a lesser degree) in terms of grassroots sociology.

 

[eyemready]

I&#39;m conservative, but I&#39;ll turn liberal if it will make my cock grow.

 

[KinkGuy]

Originally posted by eyemready@Dec 15 2004, 09:15 PM
I&#39;m conservative, but I&#39;ll turn liberal if it will make my cock grow.

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Turning liberal won&#39;t make it any bigger, but it WILL allow you to enjoy it more.

 

[headbang8]

Originally posted by KinkGuy@Dec 16 2004, 05:05 AM
I may be stooopid, but I thought the whole thing a joke, especially if you did visit the web link. Drumming up business?

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Jokes are best delivered with a straight face, and I think big and floppy sucked us in. The fact that so many of us took him seriously is a sad comment on how much of a mockery the real thing is.

 

[madame_zora]

Yeah, I finally did hit the weblink, it&#39;s a joke and actually a pretty good one.

 

[jonb]

Originally posted by Seeking_SuperHung@Dec 15 2004, 06:38 PM
Take a look at:

• Rush Limbaugh: #1 in ratings for scheduled programs on radio, essentially the SuperBowl of broadcast&#33;
  
• Sean Hannity: #2 in ratings for scheduled programs on radio
  
• Bill O&#39;Reilly&#39;s O&#39;Reilly Factor: #1 in ratings for hour-long news broadcast
  
• FoxNews: #1 cable news network... higher ratings than CNN & MSNBC combined
  

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But they aren&#39;t conservative. They&#39;re just a mutant strain of radical. Bush signing every spending bill he gets is NOT conservative. Senators trying to get rid of the filibuster (You know, that thing which prevents laws from getting passed and thus prevents the government from intruding on our lives?) is NOT conservative. (And in the two-party system, we need filibusters. Unless you want to draft a whole new constitution so that the rights of the minority are protected, we need to require a supermajority to get anything done.) A constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage, traditionally a state issue, is NOT conservative. Paying &#036;45 for a case of Pepsi is NOT conservative. Making cold fusion your only investment in alternative energy sources certainly isn&#39;t conservative, because 1) cold fusion&#39;s a hoax, and 2) it doesn&#39;t conserve energy. Claims of conspiracies between groups which have criticized each other before (PRWatch has been quite critical of Greenpeace, but the Center for Consumer Freedom, which for some reason opposes even current standards such as mandatory nutritional labels, thinks PRWatch and Greenpeace are in an intricate web with animal rights groups, anti-alcohol groups, and anti-tobacco groups.) is CERTAINLY not conservative. The absolute anger Hannity and O&#39;Reilly display, quite frankly, belong more at a meeting of the Communist Party. Or the Aryan Nations. (Note that I didn&#39;t invoke Godwin&#39;s Law: Aryan Nations is Christian Identist, not Nazi.) I mean, I&#39;m conservative, but that doesn&#39;t mean I fight the losing side of battles fought in the 1860s (evolution), 1940s (sexuality), early 1900s (taxation), 1840s (conservation of energy), or 16th century (claims that preventing ovulation equals abortion).

Actual conservatism is line-drawing, not line-crossing. Cooling down, not heating up. And it&#39;s a lot harder to sell that than it is to sell, shall we say, male PMS from guys who if they were women would be post-menopausal.

BTW, Fox News only has higher number of minutes, not higher number of viewers. Basically, on the average minute, 1.02 million people are watching Fox News. 665,000 are watching CNN. But an average conceals as much as it reveals. Cume, or cumulative viewers (at least six minutes) per day, weighs light and heavy viewers the same. CNN has a higher cume: 105 million per day, compared to Fox&#39;s 86 million. Even among conservatives, Carat USA said that 37% of viewers who consider themselves "very conservative" tune into CNN, compared to 32% for Fox. What does this mean? Simple, really: Fan isn&#39;t even half the word to describe a Fox News viewer: The typical Fox News viewer is a fanatic living in a fantasy.

 

[jonb]

Originally posted by madame_zora@Dec 16 2004, 08:53 AM
Yeah, I finally did hit the weblink, it&#39;s a joke and actually a pretty good one.

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Sadly, that&#39;s actually how a lot of corporate think tanks are. (That&#39;s another thing real conservatives hate: Complete ideological homogeny. Peer-reviewed journals for me, thank you.)

 

[madame_zora]

The problem with Fox news is that it LOOKS so much like real news. I am surprised to this day that most people just believe whatever is presented in a news format as real. Many of our news progams are nothing more than entertainment, but most Merkins are completely unaware of this and will argue to the death that what they see is the gospel truth.

A little diversified reading goes a long way.

I feel I have some strong conservative leanings, but it has been so long since there was a well defined "conservative" movement that I&#39;ve found myself leaning more toward what we now call "liberal". I don&#39;t want the government in our personal lives, I&#39;m firmly against rampant spending without accountability, I believe in religous freedom for everyone- not just Christians fundamentalists. I want them to have religous freedom without having to forfeit my own. Doesn&#39;t seem too radical, leftist, or even liberal, does it? But these days, not being a Christian fundamentalist means you&#39;re a liberal, which is ridiculous.

 

[jay_too]

Excellent posts jonb and Mme.

I am beginning to think that those who live in the 21st Century have lost the ability to separate news from commentary, spin, mean-spritedness and bigotry. All of these are found in the print and electronic media, but all are not news.

Am I conservative? Definitely in terms of fiscal responsibility and in equal access before the law for all. Maybe moderate in terms of social justice and responsibility. Maybe liberal in a desire for tolerance for other people and viewpoints [apparently anathema to the current conservative persuasion].

On the crucial [defining?] issue, am I evangelical? Well, evangelicals have adopted a non-dictionary litmus test, so probably not. My view tends toward ecumenical rather than "my way or no way" of evangelical conservatives. The community and church that I grew up in believed in tolerance and respect for differing viewpoints.

jay

 

[lacsap1]

Why in the US is the word &#39;liberal&#39; as something evil?

The majority of the free world is liberial, not liberial as in democrates, but liberial as in freedoms, wanting to move the country forward and you have independent thinkers. When you have conservatives you don&#39;t move the country forward you keep it with the bible and you cut freedoms away. Fundamentalist Islamic Terrorists are a good example of conservatives. www.dictionary.com
give me the following labels;

"con·ser·va·tive (kn-sûrv-tv)"
Favoring traditional views and values; tending to oppose change.
Traditional or restrained in style: a conservative dark suit.
Moderate; cautious: a conservative estimate.
Of or relating to the political philosophy of conservatism.
Belonging to a conservative party, group, or movement.
Tending to conserve; preservative: the conservative use of natural resources.
One favoring traditional views and values.
A supporter of political conservatism.
Archaic. A preservative agent or principle.
con·serva·tive·ly adv.
con·serva·tive·ness n."

"lib·er·al (lbr-l, lbrl)"
Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry. Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded. Of, relating to, or characteristic of liberalism. Liberal Of, designating, or characteristic of a political party founded on or associated with principles of social and political liberalism. Tending to give freely; generous: a liberal benefactor.
Generous in amount; ample: a liberal serving of potatoes. Not strict or literal; loose or approximate: a liberal translation. Of, relating to, or based on the traditional arts and sciences of a college or university curriculum: a liberal education. Archaic. Permissible or appropriate for a person of free birth; befitting a lady or gentleman. Obsolete. Morally unrestrained; licentious.
A person with liberal ideas or opinions.
Liberal A member of a Liberal political party."

Americans and Europeans are different because probably Europeans are more liberial than Americans. For example, European Conservatives are more liberial than American Liberials. In fact, if you compare American Conservates with European Liberials, it is just like comparing two different species &#33; Ofcourse, you can&#39;t compare Europeans with Americans in politics, it&#39;s like coming from another planet &#33;

 

[jonb]

The problem is, American "conservatives" aren&#39;t really. Basically they&#39;re radicals who have siezed upon the massive lumpenproletariat in the Midwest. Don&#39;t believe me? The people on Fox News complain about the moral sewer on TV. Who made it that way? News Corporation, the people who also own -- you guessed it -- Fox News.

 

[jay_too]

Originally posted by lacsap1@Dec 18 2004, 12:08 AM
Why in the US is the word &#39;liberal&#39; as something evil?

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Maybe if your mental world has only two dimensions, ya know, good or evil, and you are conservative ala Jerry Falwell [Pardon me while I go puke.] and you define yourself as conservative, anythingelse has to be evil.

I think Jerry, Pat, Karl, and Dubya and their lack of Christian values and basic competence have done much to insure that liberalism will re-emerge as the dominant political philosophy here. I know that since 2002 I have begun to move from conservative to moderate to maybe liberal. Why? Well, I do not like the hole that these retards have dug for America.

jay

 

[madame_zora]

Jay, that was beautiful&#33;

I hope with sincerity that Christians will begin to hold their leaders more accuntable for demonstrating truer Christian values, and not just accepting the words of anyone claiming to be a Christian. That would be nice. Unfortunately, the current trend is making Christians look very stupid.